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Old 12-14-2014, 01:27 PM
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That was during the exchanges of peace. In a Catholic Mass the words Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you (John 14:27) is said and then the Priest says "Wenst elkaar de vrede / Donnez-vous la paix" (Wish each other the peace). It is lovely that the two brothers kissed.
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Old 12-14-2014, 02:05 PM
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For everyone who has missed the whole coverage, here´s a link that really works:

L'adieu Ã* Fabiola - Vidéo - RTL Vidéos
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I like that Queen Fabiola's many great-nieces and nephews read the prayers of the faithful at her funeral Mass. I recall that something similar happened at GD Josephine's funeral where her grandchildren read the prayers in different languages too.
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Old 12-14-2014, 04:07 PM
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I like that Queen Fabiola's many great-nieces and nephews read the prayers of the faithful at her funeral Mass. I recall that something similar happened at GD Josephine's funeral where her grandchildren read the prayers in different languages too.
True. It also happened at the wedding of Prince Albert of Monaco with Ms Wittstock: relatives reading the prayers of the faithful. It happens at most royal weddings or funerals by the way, both Catholic and Protestant.

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Old 12-14-2014, 04:43 PM
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On the video here ,Queen Fabiola is explaining she brought a statue of Mother Mary that she and King Baudouin recieved for their marriage. She wanted to have it next to their tomb when she died.
I think it's a really beautiful symbol
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Old 12-14-2014, 05:20 PM
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This is the second time in 24 hours that this thread had to be closed due to an argument between exactly the same posters. Perhaps you can give each other your email adresses and continue this fight in private.

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Old 12-14-2014, 06:25 PM
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True. It also happened at the wedding of Prince Albert of Monaco with Ms Wittstock: relatives reading the prayers of the faithful. It happens at most royal weddings or funerals by the way, both Catholic and Protestant.

I hadn't realized that the couple had their family members read the prayers of the faithful at their wedding.

BTW I know that Prince Laurent's thumbs up gesture prompted many posts, but as a parent I've done the same after my own daughter read all of the prayers of the faithful at Mass.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:45 AM
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Laurent is Laurent. As only one wearing a blue suit, switching for sunglasses inside a church, making weird gestures, forgetting to bow to his late aunt. I think hopes have been given up.
I think if you look carefully you will see a number of 'blue' suits. You will also see a number of dark blue/black. The colours differ with the lighting. At one stage I thought that King Philippe, the GD and the HGD were all wearing dark blue with black coats. In a photo taken outside the Cathedral, Philppe and Laurant were talking with GD Therese and the suit jacket under Philippe's coat looked distinctly blue against the black of his coat.

As to Laurant's glasses, are they prescription lenses? I ask because he always seems to wear them. And the "wierd" gestures have been explained so many times . . . and as to bowing to his late aunt, I just watched that again and immediatly after the King Philippe's children the cameras cut away so I really don't know where that comes from.

I think, regardless of the colour of his suit, Laurant was as respectful and as grief stricken as others of his family.
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:35 AM
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and as to bowing to his late aunt, I just watched that again and immediatly after the King Philippe's children the cameras cut away so I really don't know where that comes from.
I saw everyone, including P. Claire and the kids, but no prince Laurent. But no doubt he was sad too. I never meant to say he wasn't respectful either, I just asked a question
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:00 AM
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I don´t know if this has been discussed here before, but I was pretty much shocked of the appearance of Princess Sirindhorn of Thailand!
Can you imagine one of the european princesses appearing at a formal royal event like this http://static1.purepeople.com/articl...rn-950x0-1.jpg

without a storm of indignation breaking out? I don´t know what it is, but people seem to be very tolerant when it comes to the Thai monarchy (which is not our subject here, of course), I´m just referring to the Princesse´s, forgive me, messy clothes and hair at this royal funeral....
What a difference to royal ladies like Empress Michiko or Queen Mathilde!
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:22 AM
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I attended the Funerals , I saw everybody as I was at 8.00 and the Funerals started at 10.00 .
As I wrote it was unforgettable.

The Princess of Thailand was perfect as she put OFF her Winter coat entering the Cathedral . She was great and wore her Family Order.
(The weather was awfully bad Storm and Rainy and so cold.)

I Highly disapprove Comments and Critics of Members of the Board who only see pictures of this Royal Funerals.

Reading back the whole thread and although Marengo's wise Moderation, they are more critics than positive feelings. This is sad and disappointing for the Belgian Citizen I am.

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Old 12-15-2014, 07:26 AM
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The Princess of Thailand was perfect as she put OFF her Winter coat entering the Cathedral . She was great and wore her Family Order.
(The weather was awfully bad Storm and Rainy and so cold.)

I Highly disapprove Comments and Critics of Members of the Board who only see pictures of this Royal Funerals.



Sorry, but this is not the 1st time I thought that way about her, not "only at this funeral"
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:52 AM
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The mass was very moved, I liked the musics, the songs, who was showing the personality of the Queen Fabiola, She was a very lovely person, I also liked what her staff of the castel Stuyvenberg said in the chapel of Laeken
Yes, She was a very great person and I say


Thank you Madame La Reine, au revoir.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:41 AM
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I attended the Funerals , I saw everybody as I was at 8.00 and the Funerals started at 10.00 .
As I wrote it was unforgettable.

The Princess of Thailand was perfect as she put OFF her Winter coat entering the Cathedral . She was great and wore her Family Order.
(The weather was awfully bad Storm and Rainy and so cold.)

I Highly disapprove Comments and Critics of Members of the Board who only see pictures of this Royal Funerals.

Reading back the whole thread and although Marengo's wise Moderation, they are more critics than positive feelings. This is sad and disappointing for the Belgian Citizen I am.

Amen
Dear Maria-Olivia
Thanks so much for your testimony as one of the few/the only one of the posters who attended the funeral.
I followed almost the full service at the TV5, living in Greece, and what I can say is the following.
Since I'm neither a royal/aristocrat nor a specialist of protocol I can not tell you if they were mistakes or misorganisation, and maybe they were many. But what I saw was a family, mourning a beloved person, and this family was surrounded by extended members of their family, as well as close relatives who came there to grief the loss of this (as I understood) very exceptionnal lady who was late Queen Fabiola. Almost 4 generation were there to honour this lady, if you count from Grand Duke Jean to Princess Eleonore, and they had all the same tears. They cried for a gran-gran mother, or for a daughther or niece. The fact that this beloved was a Queen, surrounded by other Kings and Queens, is just a detail.
Maybe there were protocolar mistakes, but I did not feel that it was just an official event, for me it was a private event. All the persons who attended came there for personnal reasons, not because of their rank.
There is no rank obligation for an Empress to come from Japan for a former Queen, vidow the last 21 years, neither for a CPrincess from Thailand or for a former Empress from Persia, they felt the need to come because the loved and estimed Queen Fabiola, and this love and esteem was obvious to all attendees during the whole ceremony.
I read that it was not a stylish event, maybe. But what is a stylish event when we talk about a funeral?
Maybe Queen Fabiola did not want a stylish event, maybe all her life she tried to leave behind her only this aura of love and respect, nothing else, but this love and respect was everything
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Fandesacs , You are a Nice Person throughout your many threads.
Grateful Thanks MO
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:38 AM
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I attended the Funerals , I saw everybody as I was at 8.00 and the Funerals started at 10.00 .
As I wrote it was unforgettable.

The Princess of Thailand was perfect as she put OFF her Winter coat entering the Cathedral . She was great and wore her Family Order.
(The weather was awfully bad Storm and Rainy and so cold.)

I Highly disapprove Comments and Critics of Members of the Board who only see pictures of this Royal Funerals.

Reading back the whole thread and although Marengo's wise Moderation, they are more critics than positive feelings. This is sad and disappointing for the Belgian Citizen I am.

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I understand why you feel that way and I agree with you. Please try not to feel affronted as a Belgian by remarks here. Since you were there in the flesh, your version of events carries more weight with me than anyone else's. I watched it from start to finish and I was moved to tears several times. It was a very beautiful Mass, completely in the spirit of a woman who was not only a noblewoman of blood but in her heart as well.

I've always thought of the Belgian RF as a completely class act and their comportment all last week and on Friday especially confirmed my opinion.
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Dear Maria-Olivia
Thanks so much for your testimony as one of the few/the only one of the posters who attended the funeral.
I followed almost the full service at the TV5, living in Greece, and what I can say is the following.
Since I'm neither a royal/aristocrat nor a specialist of protocol I can not tell you if they were mistakes or misorganisation, and maybe they were many. But what I saw was a family, mourning a beloved person, and this family was surrounded by extended members of their family, as well as close relatives who came there to grief the loss of this (as I understood) very exceptionnal lady who was late Queen Fabiola. Almost 4 generation were there to honour this lady, if you count from Grand Duke Jean to Princess Eleonore, and they had all the same tears. They cried for a gran-gran mother, or for a daughther or niece. The fact that this beloved was a Queen, surrounded by other Kings and Queens, is just a detail.
Maybe there were protocolar mistakes, but I did not feel that it was just an official event, for me it was a private event. All the persons who attended came there for personnal reasons, not because of their rank.
There is no rank obligation for an Empress to come from Japan for a former Queen, vidow the last 21 years, neither for a CPrincess from Thailand or for a former Empress from Persia, they felt the need to come because the loved and estimed Queen Fabiola, and this love and esteem was obvious to all attendees during the whole ceremony.
I read that it was not a stylish event, maybe. But what is a stylish event when we talk about a funeral?
Maybe Queen Fabiola did not want a stylish event, maybe all her life she tried to leave behind her only this aura of love and respect, nothing else, but this love and respect was everything

Well said Fandesac2003, I agree. I watched the funeral online. I only saw a woman who was deeply loved and respected by everyone who knew her.
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I don´t wanne be rude, but this has been discussed on this thread a 100 times before....
Again: Laurent was proud of his daughter Louise who spoke a few sentences in front of the congregation in fluent english. As a response he put his thumb up, a very fitting reaction of a proud parent, I think.

Thank you for the Gabriel/ Emmanuel-photo, though! It is very cute indeed.
As I said before I haven't seen all of the funeral (just small parts of it). I also haven't read all of the pages of this thread so I didn't see the pages where my question had been discussed before. It's a lovely gesture from Prince Laurent now I know why he did it. Fluent English at Princess Louise's age is very impressive, given the fact that English isn't her mother tongue. I am guessing that French is, as she goes to a French school – and I think Flemish is the mother tongue of Princess Elisabeth, as she goes to a Flemish speaking school.

You're welcome, by the way. I love that photo of Princes Gabriel and Emmanuel as well.
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IIRC Pss Louise attends a British school in Brussels.

Edit: correction -> the princess used to be in a private billingual English-French school in Tervuren, but moved to a french lycee in Uccle in 2009.

http://www.standaard.be/cnt/g2u2eut7p

Accordign to the Flemish press her parents didn't want her to learn Flemish.
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Fluent English at Princess Louise's age is very impressive, given the fact that English isn't her mother tongue. I am guessing that French is, as she goes to a French school – and I think Flemish is the mother tongue of Princess Elisabeth, as she goes to a Flemish speaking school.
As far as I know Pcs Claire, is British, I'm persuaded that she speaks English tp her kids, so it is absolutely normal that Pcs Louise is fluent in English, she should be fully bilingual.
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