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Old 12-11-2014, 03:37 PM
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Death of Queen Fabiola: December 5, 2014

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But how can you state something (brit. royal family HATES the belgian one!) you cannot proof?! Have you ever talked with a member of the 2 families about it? Even if one member of the staffs would have told you, I´d be very careful to claim such a thing! Evidence still missing...
I agree if not a single of the BRF would attend tomorrow, it could be seen, if one urgently wants to, as a "snub". But why not wait until tomorrow?! We can still complain and curse when we know for sure....!

Ok ok peace now. I know probably as much as anyone else in here (=not the whole truth about the supposed rift).

I always stay behind my words but i agree that i should have waited until tomorrow to speak out loud ! Sometimes we let our inner feelings speak out loud wether it is a good idea or a bad one.

Let's see tomorrow what happens.
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Old 12-11-2014, 03:38 PM
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Old 12-11-2014, 03:48 PM
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I think what matters most is what was stated in Queen Fabiola's wishes. That the people who loved and cared about her most would be there. I think she would more appreciate someone like our Maria-Olivia being there than which representative of the British royal family attended.

People should be there and attend because they want to be and not because they're required to be.

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Old 12-11-2014, 03:54 PM
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:04 PM
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I am almost sure someone will represent the British royal family at the funeral of the late Queen Fabiola. Even the British royal family knows the de rigueur in international royal relations. We will see tomorrow.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:11 PM
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I have read that QEII only attended Baudouin's funereal because the emperor of Japan did and she didn't want to be shown up. It was a last minute decision. I do not expect her to attend, but I do expect a senior Brit royal will regardless of public announcements. After all, afaik they have not said they won't go.


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I can also remember reading somewhere that the Queen happened to be in northern France around the time (on a private visit of some sort, maybe looking at racehorses?) and so couldn't really not attend. Could be nonsense but I definitely read or saw something along these lines somewhere.

It wouldn't really surprise me if no representative, other than a member of the British embassy staff, or maybe a 'low-ranking' member of the family is sent to the funeral. People seem to see the royals as some sort of club or union who are all super-friendly or see each other as family. The reality is that as these families no longer marry between themselves, the family ties are getting less and less all the time. That's natural. How many of us socialise with our 3rd cousins twice removed or whatever? I don't think I know any of mine.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:21 PM
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Well I'd like to add my opinion on open coffins since I've been to three funerals in the past month. Only one of the families chose to have a viewing on the morning of the funeral because the death was sudden and they felt it's what they needed to do. The other two deaths were expected so the families were able to spend some time at the hospital with their loved one afterwards so they felt they didn't need a viewing. I'm gald I haven't seen any close ups of Queen Fabiola in her coffin because I find the whole idea of a viewing upseting. I'd rather remember the person as they were and not lying in a coffin.
And I'm fine if the family needs a private viewing- just them- don't see a need for a public one.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:27 PM
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And I'm fine if the family needs a private viewing- just them- don't see a need for a public one.
I think it is up to each individual family to decide what is right for them. When my grandmother died, there were photographs taken of her in the open coffin and I still have it around here somewhere. I think its kind of macabre and tasteless and I wouldn't do it but it meant something to my mother and my aunts.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:31 PM
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Agreed. I get lying in state, but closed coffin.
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Old 12-11-2014, 04:43 PM
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I think what matters most is what was stated in Queen Fabiola's wishes. That the people who loved and cared about her most would be there. I think she would more appreciate someone like our Maria-Olivia being there than which representative of the British royal family attended.

People should be there and attend because they want to be and not because they're required to be.

Just my opinion.
The wishes of the late Queen Fabiola are not so important. She is no private individual but a former Queen of the Belgians, a very public figure in the heart of Belgian society. Earlier this week from her Confessor, the Abbot Benoît Lobet, Doyen of Enghien, a slip of the tongue was heard: he claims Queen Fabiola did not want to be laid in state: she would have ordered "the ugliest coffin possible" to prevent this. He claims that Queen Fabiola also did not want a Funeral Mass in the Cathédrale des Saints Michel et Gudule but "just" a small gathering in the local Église Notre-Dame de Laeken. The old Queen considered herself a true parishioner of that church close to the royal domain of Laeken. It is very strange that a Confessor has been so slippery with his tongue, but we all can see that none of both wishes of the late Fabiola is followed. It is the King whom decides in this matter and his House organizes a royal funeral. So your assumption about Fabiola's wishes concerning her guests: her wishes are not relevant.

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Old 12-11-2014, 04:45 PM
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What is a confessor?
And QF is the granny of KP, mother of KA?
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And QF is the granny of KP, mother of KA?
A confessor is a priest who hears one's Confession and gives absolution.

confessor - definition of confessor by The Free Dictionary

Queen Fabiola is King Philippe's aunt in law and sister in law of Albert II.

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Old 12-11-2014, 05:04 PM
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But how can you state something (brit. royal family HATES the belgian one!) you cannot proof?! Have you ever talked with a member of the 2 families about it? Even if one member of the staffs would have told you, I´d be very careful to claim such a thing! Evidence still missing...
I agree if not a single of the BRF would attend tomorrow, it could be seen, if one urgently wants to, as a "snub". But why not wait until tomorrow?! We can still complain and curse when we know for sure....!

Agree! Surely we should wait to see if anyone turns up tomorrow before assuming the BRF now hate another RF. I highly doubt this as to be honest since Philippe became King he seems to have met with QEII or members of the British RF on numerous occasions (more so than any other Royal House this year)

The official British royal website has been very bad at being updated recently, I know in the thread discussing the number of engagements carried out by the British Royals it keeps being said its hardly ever updated.
Let's just wait
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Old 12-11-2014, 05:15 PM
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The most important will be the Catholic Funerals and all these attendees are headaches for the Protocol Service !
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Old 12-11-2014, 05:16 PM
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Old 12-11-2014, 05:17 PM
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I have read that QEII only attended Baudouin's funereal because the emperor of Japan did and she didn't want to be shown up. It was a last minute decision. I do not expect her to attend, but I do expect a senior Brit royal will regardless of public announcements. After all, afaik they have not said they won't go.
I think if we know anything about Queen Elizabeth II by now it's that she doesn't do stunts or do things she doesn't mean. The Queen went to King Baudouin's funeral because she wanted to go. I was looking back at pictures of Queen Fabiola on Getty Images and there was a photo of QEII with Baudouin on an engagement in June 1993 (a month before he died). I'm sure she, like many of her relations, were shocked when he died so suddenly and I think she admired his deep commitment to Christianity (remember QEII is a devoted Christian).
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What is a confessor?
And QF is the granny of KP, mother of KA?
As our fellow poster An Ard Ri already stated: a priest who hears the confession and gives absolution. It seems that Père Benoît Lobet has been the late Queen's Confessor for the last 15 years. Besides making a confession of her sins and Père Lobet giving penance for these, also spiritual matters were discussed.

Père Lobet told that the Queen wanted a "festive funeral" but has tried, many times, to make clear to Doña Fabiola that protocol is a "terrible machine which possibly leaves little room for fantasy".

From what we know, not André-Joseph Leonard, the present Archbishop of Malines-Brussels will be the celebrant of the Funeral Mass: it will be Godfried Cardinal Danneels, his predecessor. Reason: Cardinal Danneels has been Archbishop for such a long time and developed a deep personal relationship with Doña Fabiola.

According Père Lobet, Doña Fabiola was longing for death, which was seen as a "salvation" and she was fully confident that she would re-unite with the love of her life, King Baudouin. The old Queen said to Père Lobet: "In two, three days I will see him (Baudouin) again". Père Lobet: "But... Your Majesty... you are saying that for six months now..."

Already in June the old Queen was given the Last Sacrament (anointing of the sick) because Père Lobet thought the Queen looked very frail although she was still in solid state of mind. When the anointing was done, Queen Fabiola grabbed his hands and said "Thanks for these hands, which made this possible". When Père Lobet left the Queen for the last time, she said: "This old lady has done her work. Now I will go and join my beloved one."

It is very touching. At the same time I am amazed that Père Lobet was so slippery with all this information. This priest is known for his sometimes on-the-edge manners and has been regularly criticized by the clergy.
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Clip arrival Beatrix and Moulay Rachid Begrafenis Fabiola: 1ste royals arriveren - HLN.be

The link doesn't work for me as you need to get a subscription to the newspaper, but maybe this link from VTM works? It is probably the same/simular:

Begrafenis Fabiola: 1ste royals arriveren | VTM NIEUWS
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this link mentions that a private meeting will be attended by the belgian, spanish and luxembourgish royal families the day before the funeral.

Funérailles de Fabiola: beaucoup de musique à la cathédrale, le témoignage du personnel à Laeken | Belgique - lesoir.be
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Well I'd like to add my opinion on open coffins since I've been to three funerals in the past month. Only one of the families chose to have a viewing on the morning of the funeral because the death was sudden and they felt it's what they needed to do. The other two deaths were expected so the families were able to spend some time at the hospital with their loved one afterwards so they felt they didn't need a viewing. I'm gald I haven't seen any close ups of Queen Fabiola in her coffin because I find the whole idea of a viewing upseting. I'd rather remember the person as they were and not lying in a coffin.

I've viewed the bodies of relatives who've passed away, both old and relatively young. I've always thought that their faces looked serene, like they were sleeping. It's a very profound thing to see and I did not find it upsetting in the least.
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