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Old 07-26-2013, 06:35 PM
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Republican governments do cost plenty, but at least only the President and Vice President are paid salaries. The rest of their families don't get a salary, although I believe that the First Lady and Second Lady (the spouses of the President and Vice President) have staffs.

(I have no idea why the spouse of the Vice President needs a staff.)

In short, if only the person holding the office can get a salary in the US, I don't think that it's unreasonable for only the King to get a salary, but not the rest of the family.
In a republic the children and siblings of the President and Vice President are not expected to undertake official engagements and represent the nation in any way. In a monarchy the children and siblings of the monarch are expected to undertake official engagements and represent the nation, and it is a lifetime committment, which is why state allowances are applicable,
In a republic such as the US you give salaries to the President and Vice President while in office, as well as allowances for their wives offices. After they retire you continue to pay pensions to the former Presidents and Vice Presidents, as well as payng for their staff, office expenses and security, Right now you are paying for 4 living ex Presidents and I don't know how many former VPs but the costs are considerable. I remember CNN mentioning that the costs for Clinton runs into the millions. I am not begrudging them their expenses after serving the nation, just pointing out that there are costs in republic that people do not consider when comparing to the costs of maintaining a working royal family.
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:58 PM
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I apologise in advance - but Prince Lauriant seems to have blotted his copybook. Can someone explain in simple terms what he has done - or have I misunderstood. Big thank you as I am being lazy in not going back over many posts.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:44 PM
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Without going in too much detail:

Laurent was involved in a corruption scandal that reached court when it was said money from the Royal Navy was used to renovate his holiday home. It was reported that his father (or Court staff) effecitvely banned Laurent from the Royal court for several months after this

He visited the Congo without prior permission which was controversial given Belgium's past there

He is said to enjoy playing the 'I'm royal' card for example demanding free upgrades on Belgian airlines and harrasing airline staff when they question this

He is known to be on good terms with the woman who claims to be the King's illegitate daughter

I've read reports that he is not all that bright, once apparently, needing to be told the difference from the UN and US

He led, according to some reports, a play boy prince style life when he was young

Overall not a few big scandals really but lots and lots of little ones all of the time
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Old 07-27-2013, 02:51 AM
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I think the only reason why Laurent hasn't been cut off (economically speaking) from the family is the children.

If I was Philippe I'd make sure Claire was the one managing their allowance, Laurent isn't the most trustworthy guy in the world.

Also, while Albert was quite wild in his youth (and so was Paola) he never ever betrayed Baudouin's trust in his royal duties, he was always staunchly loyal to his brother, that's something I don't see Laurent doing even if Philippe has defended him in public ("he's my brother and will always be my brother first and foremost").

It's better to find him something to do before he starts compromising the royal house again.
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Old 07-27-2013, 05:49 AM
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Now the Government wants more control about the Royals except of course for King Philippe.
It concerns namely their foreign travels , who they will met there , about their air planes costs , foundations etc.
It will have a direct repercussion on their dotations and Prince Laurent is not free anymore as before.
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The costs of the RF has decreased with 2.7 million euros:

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The institution of monarchy in Belgium will cost the Belgian taxpayer 36 million euros next year. The largest share of this amount is spent on policing and securing the safety of our royal family, the Saxe-Coburg and Gothas. 2.7 million euros less is being spent on the institution of monarchy next year.
Complete article here.

I suppose that the reduction of Fabiolas allowance does have benefits
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:22 AM
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According to a professor from ghent, the Belgian RF is the3rd most expensive of Europe, 1 million euros cheaper than the Dutch.

Koningshuis derde duurste in Europa - Het Nieuwsblad

The article already claims that the Spanish and Lux. budgets are less transparent.... but somehow they forget to mention that this makes such lists useless as it is comparing apples to oranges. It is impossible that the Belgian monarchy is more expensive than the Spanish one.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:54 AM
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According to a professor from ghent, the Belgian RF is the3rd most expensive of Europe, 1 million euros cheaper than the Dutch.

Koningshuis derde duurste in Europa - Het Nieuwsblad

The article already claims that the Spanish and Lux. budgets are less transparent.... but somehow they forget to mention that this makes such lists useless as it is comparing apples to oranges. It is impossible that the Belgian monarchy is more expensive than the Spanish one.
Why do you say "it is impossible" ? Most lists I've seen put the Spanish monarchy as one of the least expensive in Europe.
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:40 PM
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The Spanish monarchy can not afford to be expensive. Spain is broke.
I am not sure about economic situation in Belgium. If the royal allowances start putting a strain on the Belgian budget, lawmakers will not hesitate to reduce them.
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These studies are only reasonable if you take the same facts and figures as a basis for comparison. And this is not possible since some monarchies are way more transparent than others. And usually the more transparent monarchies are "awarded" with the most expensive label than.
The Belgian numbers for ex include the costs for security [15 m €] as well as the maintenance of the state owned castles in Brussels and Laken. These components aren’t part of the Dutch budget though. So the comparison between the Dutch and the Belgian numbers is already inadequate. Yet the Belgian media claims that the Belgian RF costs 39 m € and the Dutch 40 m€. They don’t bother the public with details and neither does Prof. Matthijs when he presents his short statements in front of the cameras.



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Why do you say "it is impossible" ? Most lists I've seen put the Spanish monarchy as one of the least expensive in Europe.
IIRC these lists don’t include security costs for Spain. I have no idea how it works there but I guess their security costs are at least as high as the Belgian ones, if not much higher. Not their fault and one can argue if security costs should be included at all.
One of Matthijs’ studies from 2012 cites Spanish newspapers reports and according to those the real costs for the Spanish monarchy are around 60 or 70 million Euros. No idea how accurate these reports are though.
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