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Old 07-07-2009, 12:29 PM
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When you break down the figures, 1 EUR per person is not at all unreasonable. If Belgium did away with the monarchy, people would still complain about the costs of government. It is inevitable, and people always find something to complain about.

Besides, the people who conducted the study would be out of a job if people weren't complaining about something.
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Old 07-19-2009, 10:38 PM
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I hope it's true that 2 out of 3 Belgians support the monarchy. Other surveys seem less promising. I think the Belgian royals are great!! I hope they're around for a long time. Vive la Reine Elisabeth!!

Is it known if Astrid and Laurent have to pay staff and other expenses related to their duties out of their incomes? If so, then they're really not so well off. Princess Benedikte of Denmark receives a much lesser allowance, and it is expressly given to her to cover the travel and other things necessary to fulfilling her official obligations.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:02 AM
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In the budget for 2011 most members of the royal family will receive less money. The king's budget will stay the same but the dotation for Queen Fabiola, prince Filip, princess Astrid and prince Laurent will decrease with 1.4%. For Fabiola that will mean 20.000 euros less, for Filip 13.000 euros less and for Astrid and Laurent both 4000 euros less. This was already decided in 2009 btw.

source: het gazet van antwerpen
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Old 03-30-2011, 05:20 AM
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According to the late king Boudouin started a fund to help his nieces and nephews (the Belgian, Luxembourg and Mora- ones) financially . The children of his half siblings were excluded from the fund. Just efore his death, the king started the Foundation Astrida in March 1992.

Boudewijn richtte fonds op 'om neven en nichten te helpen' - Binnenland - De Morgen

The fund was created to help his nieces and nephews to develop themselves in religious, artistic, scientific and pedalogical matters. Another purpose was for them to get settled in life.

The fund had 1.37 million euros. Most of the fund has been spent on travelling costs though.
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Are the children of his half-siblings specifically excluded, or are they excluded just because they were not born yet (as only Princess Esmeralda has children, born in 1998 and 2001, years after Baudouin's death)?
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Mora? Is that Queen Fabiola's side of the family? That was kind of the King. I'd also like to know about the exclusion of his half-siblings' children. I guess one way to find out would be to see if he had other nieces and nephews born after his death and whether they are eligible for funds.
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Are the children of his half-siblings specifically excluded, or are they excluded just because they were not born yet (as only Princess Esmeralda has children, born in 1998 and 2001, years after Baudouin's death)?
The article implied that they were excluded due to the old Lilian vs. de rest vendette. But your 2nd explanation seems more likely.

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Mora? Is that Queen Fabiola's side of the family? That was kind of the King. I'd also like to know about the exclusion of his half-siblings' children. I guess one way to find out would be to see if he had other nieces and nephews born after his death and whether they are eligible for funds.
Yes, it is Queen Fabiola's nieces and nephews. She was/is close to (some of) them.
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Princess Astrid offers to justify her allowance < Belgian news | Expatica Belgium

Apparently Princess Astrid has said she would happily provide more clarity on how she spends her public money.

Princess Astrid told 'Royalty' that she understood demands for checks and transparency. By offering to provide greater clarity the princess hopes to remove distrust about the allowance system.
The Princess Astrid receives some 320,000 euros (273,000 pounds sterling) annually from the public purse. She insists that the money goes to good causes and causes that benefit well-being in Belgium.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:28 AM
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Princess Astrid offers to justify her allowance < Belgian news | Expatica Belgium

Apparently Princess Astrid has said she would happily provide more clarity on how she spends her public money.

Princess Astrid told 'Royalty' that she understood demands for checks and transparency. By offering to provide greater clarity the princess hopes to remove distrust about the allowance system.
The Princess Astrid receives some 320,000 euros (273,000 pounds sterling) annually from the public purse. She insists that the money goes to good causes and causes that benefit well-being in Belgium.
It would also be kind if there was to be more clarity in the wages of the THREE goverrnments in a country 3/4 the size of mine...One government for Wallone-,one Flemish and one for Brussels...PLUS a national government...?I mean...is it all for nothing,all volunteerwork by these funny people.?..I don't think so.....Except Di Rupo btw..I haven't really seen one other in the four governements that is worthwhile...Total and utter waste of money...Compared to that the apanages of the Belgian RF is total peanuts...Allthough..I am all for stopping the apanages for Laurent and Astrid,only for Filip & Mathilde and TM,no freeloading by anyone...I think the Dutch RF is exemplary in that and it wouldn't hurt at the neighbours either...Mind you,nothing against Astrid,great woman,nor against Laurent...who I think adds some colour in the couleur locale and is I think a nice man at heart with a wonderfull wife & family!...Still....
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Lucien, I agree with you ,your Royals the unfortunate Prince Friso , Prince Constantijn and the 4 Van Vollenhoven are working.

In Belgium I heard that members of RF may not work to protect the RF. Our RF and their staff have middle-age reactions. Princesses Mathilde and Claire were working before their engagement !
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Elio di Rupo proposed that the RF has to start paying income tax:

http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuw...4_Royals_taxes
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Is it income tax on government allowances each member gets? If yes, I am not surprised with this development.
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I think the changes are fair for a monarchy in this day and age.

More info from standaard.be: (google translate)

Especially Queen Fabiola must return as the royal endowments be reformed. The majority parties reached an agreement Wednesday on the reform in the Implementation Committee for the State Reform. The number of beneficiaries is reduced, and the members of the royal family must now also pay taxes. Monday already got the lines of reform known. Now, more specific calculations.

In the future, the siblings of the heir to the throne no longer entitled to a grant. That's just not reserved for the heir apparent, the widow or widower of the deceased monarch or the heir to the throne, the king who prematurely functions dough and his surviving spouse (o) t (e).

The addition is in the future of two parts: one part 'fee', and another part 'operational and personnel. The fee must be paid personal income. The members of the royal family must now also pay VAT and excise duties. This means that the net amount of allocations to all members of the royal family fall.

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The addition of Queen Fabiola, the widow of King Baudouin, early this year, after the hoopla surrounding its foundation, been reduced to no more than two-thirds of the grant from the Crown Prince. These arrangements are maintained, according to the statement of the Prime Minister. But the Compliance Committee now proceeds: after 10 years of widowhood, that amount is reduced to half of the grant from the Crown Prince. Heard that news agency Belga from multiple sources.
In addition, part of the amount - at the level of the wages of the state board or 90,000 euros - subject to tax on personal meaning that is due. The rest is considered as compensation for operating and other expenses.
Princess Astrid and Prince Laurent get a grant today and will retain that as a transitional measure. But in their case, they have to pay on the part of their allocation corresponding to the income of a state council taxes.
Crown Prince Philippe, who receives a higher allocation, will have to pay personal income tax on that portion of its endowment that twice the fee amounts to a state board.
This reform of the allocations of the royal family is the most important since the creation of the Belgian monarchy, says Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo in a statement. The reform makes the system more modern and transparent, the government said



King Albert Is paid by the "civil list", which is now 11.5 million.
Queen Fabiola
371,000 euros for operating costs
A (taxable) salary of 90,000 euros, which in the region of 36. 000 taxes goes off.
Prince Philippe
743,000 euros for operating costs
A (taxable) salary of 180,000 euros, which is in the region of 73. 000 taxes goes off.
Prince Laurent
217,000 euros for operating costs
A taxable salary of 90,000 euros, and why to go off charges 33,000 euros.
Princess Astrid
230,000 euros for operating costs
A taxable salary of 90,000 euros. How much it goes off depends on the financial situation of her husband Lorenz.
From now on the queen and the princes also pay VAT and taxes on all purchases.
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the king who prematurely functions dough and his surviving spouse (o) t (e).
this smells of abdication IMO

And it is good that they start paying taxes, it will make them look "cleaner" in the eyes of the people and will strenghten the monarchy.
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this smells of abdication IMO

And it is good that they start paying taxes, it will make them look "cleaner" in the eyes of the people and will strenghten the monarchy.
Well you were right, I'm sure these new measures were put in place with at least a small inkling that Albert wanted to abdicate at some point.
What will Albert and Paola get after the abdication?
Will Astrid and Laurent keep their donations?
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Always curious how people keep going after the costs of a monarchy while it is proven that republics are more expensive and 'make' less money than a monarchy. It is all right if people are republican and such, but IMO the argument of 'costs' is falsifying the debate.
Republican governments do cost plenty, but at least only the President and Vice President are paid salaries. The rest of their families don't get a salary, although I believe that the First Lady and Second Lady (the spouses of the President and Vice President) have staffs.

(I have no idea why the spouse of the Vice President needs a staff.)

In short, if only the person holding the office can get a salary in the US, I don't think that it's unreasonable for only the King to get a salary, but not the rest of the family.
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most other senior royal family members do their share ,more or less, to represent the families in various ways...patronages, over seas royal events and likely other things. if this is their job, of course they need to be paid and they have to maintain a certain quality of up keep to these things appropriately.
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But isn't the King paid enough to support his family?

If not, that's a problem.

However, especially in these days of tight budgets, kings and queens need to be super-sensitive about the concerns of taxpayers.

I'm a big supporter of monarchy in general, since it gives countries non-partisan heads of state and takes politics out of government where politics doesn't belong, but I'm not a supporter of just paying people to live lavishly off of tax dollars, and I don't see why anyone should support doing so.
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paying all the senior working royals enough to pay their servants, keep their usually old manors livable, travel/clothing/possibly entertaining expenses, appropriate schooling for the children as well as doing those things for his own family out of his own pocket would not be feasible for most monarchs in this day and age. that's why some paring down has occurred and is occurring so the burden on the government and taxpayers is not so heavy.
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Regering komt met gedragscode koninklijke familie

The members of the royal family have a code of conduct in exchange for keeping their endowment. This is contained in a bill from the federal government that regulates their income. The code is inspired by the conditions that Prince Laurent was imposed after a controversial trip in Congo.

Hopefully no more overseas trips for Laurent or he may end up with nothing!
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