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Old 07-23-2017, 09:52 AM
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What is the difference between mijnheer, meneer, and de heer ? When is each one used ?
There is hardly any difference.
Mijnheer (mostly followed by the surname) is used in written language.
Meneer, what means the same, is mostly used in spoken language.
de heer is used in the address , on the envelope.

And watch out use heer, not Heer. De Heer (With a capital) means Our Lord, God.
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Old 07-23-2017, 02:02 PM
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In French for some Nobles the first born is Monsieur, the others have teir name before,
Exemple:
Monsieur et Madame de Lesve
Monsieur et Madame Pierre de Lesve.
Monsieur Christophe de Lesve etc...
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Old 08-07-2017, 08:51 PM
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Is there gentry in Belgian, like British gentry?

Are there Belgian Lords?
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:17 AM
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Are there Belgian Lords?
That is more or less the untitled nobility. They can be addressed with the predicate Jonkheer (Messire) or Jonkvrouw (Demoiselle). In daily speech it is just mijnheer (monsieur) or mevrouw (madame).
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:24 AM
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Is there gentry in Belgian, like British gentry?
There are untitled rich landowners, or families on high positions for generations, but really specified as "the gentry" as a social class. No. Many of these families have been ennobled.

For an example the Boël, Solvay and Janssen families (rich industrialists) were ennobled in the 19th C.
Albert Frère, a milliardaire and steel magnate was ennobled in 1995.
Joseph Colruyt, a milliardaire and mega-retail owner was ennobled in 2012.
So what one possiblty would label as "gentry" often becomes part of the nobility.
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:46 AM
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I'm writing a novel, inspired by Belgian and Dutch nobility,
Is this the rank of the Belgian and Dutch nobility:
The Royal Family
Prince Houses
Marquis Houses
Count Houses
Viscount Houses
Baron Houses
Lord Houses - The highest of the untitiled nobility
Knight Houses
Ecuyer/Jonkheer Houses.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:57 AM
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I'm writing a novel, inspired by Belgian and Dutch nobility,
Is this the rank of the Belgian and Dutch nobility:
The Royal Family
Prince Houses
Marquis Houses
Count Houses
Viscount Houses
Baron Houses
Lord Houses - The highest of the untitiled nobility
Knight Houses
Ecuyer/Jonkheer Houses.
Here's a link regarding Titles and The Belgian nobility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgia...lgian_nobility
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Old 09-17-2017, 01:04 PM
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The Hoge Raad van Adel (Haute Conseil de Noblesse), the High Council of Nobility has modified the list with Dutch noble families into the Northern and the Southern Netherlands.

Despite the Southern Netherlands becoming Belgium, and most of the Southern-Netherlands noble families now incorporated in the newly created Belgian Nobility (by recognition of the Dutch Letters Patent), they are still in the Peerage of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and their Adelsdiploma's (Letters Patent) are stored in the archives of the Hoge Raad van Adel in The Hague.

They are considered as "dormant" but the Letters Patent still have legitimacy. When the Belgian Marquis Albert de Preud'homme d'Hailly de Nieuport moved to the Netherlands, his request to become enlisted in the Dutch Nobility (and by doing so, becoming registered in all Dutch offical administrative systems) was approved. Reason: the family already belonged to the Dutch Nobility since 1816 (recognition by the King of the Netherlands of already existing nobility from the Holy Roman Empire).

For an example, the family of Queen Mathilde, the family d'Udekem, was ennobled by King Willem I in 1816 with the baronial rank for the eldest male agnate (recognition of a former status as knights under the Dukes of Brabant). The extension d'Acoz was acquired by marriage. So when -for an example- Queen Mathilde's brother Charles-Henri moves to the Netherlands, he will -without problem- be accepted as Jonkeer d'Udekem, the predicate for younger male agnates of the dynasty. The title Graaf d'Udekem d'Acoz (since 1999) is Belgian, but as Belgium has "a similar system of nobility" (a legal requirement for an incorporation) most likely the Belgian title will be added to the predicate Jonkheer d'Udekem when Charles-Henri would move. Just an example to explain how the system works. ;-)

https://www.hogeraadvanadel.nl/adel/...lijke-families
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I suppose that potentially triples (or more) the amount of Dutch nobles.

Didn't the Countess Leila de Marchant et d' Ansembourg (Dutch nobility despite the French wording of the title) of Amstenrade Castle marry a noble from the Belgian branch of the Dutch van Lidth de Jeude family?
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Old 09-17-2017, 07:07 PM
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When the children of jonkheer and mevrouw Henri and Leila van Lidth de Jeude née gravin De Marchant et d'Ansembourg are born and registered in the Netherlands, I assume they automatically belong to the Dutch Nobility, without any special request, despite their father being a Belgian.

After all it was the Dutch Sovereign who was the Fons Honorum for the elevation of the family Van Lidth de Jeude. Since there is still a legitimate, recognized and protected Nobility in the Netherlands and since there was no royement (revoking) of the ennoblement, the children belong to the Dutch nobility. Better said: a Belgian branch of the Dutch family has become partly Dutch again.
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Is the spouse of a Jonkheer 'Jonkvrouw' or 'Mevrouw?'
And who and/or what exactly is a Jonkheer?
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What about the Belgian/Dutch style of address? For example, what is the wife of a Knight styled as?
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As I wrote in my previous posts, I'm writing a novel/book, using Belgian and Dutch noble titles.
Wife of a Knight and Jonkheer is addressed Mevrouw; Écuyer has no female equivalent for wives and daughters.
Children of a hereditary Knight and Jonkheer are styled as Jonkheer/Jonkvrouw.
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When the children of jonkheer and mevrouw Henri and Leila van Lidth de Jeude née gravin De Marchant et d'Ansembourg are born and registered in the Netherlands, I assume they automatically belong to the Dutch Nobility, without any special request, despite their father being a Belgian.

After all it was the Dutch Sovereign who was the Fons Honorum for the elevation of the family Van Lidth de Jeude. Since there is still a legitimate, recognized and protected Nobility in the Netherlands and since there was no royement (revoking) of the ennoblement, the children belong to the Dutch nobility. Better said: a Belgian branch of the Dutch family has become partly Dutch again.

The list of families who are officially recognized as part of the nobility of the Netherlands can be found on the site of the Hoge Raad van Adel , see this link .
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