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Titles, Names, Succession & Precedence after King Felipe's Accession

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Old 06-03-2014, 04:06 AM
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The new Heiress will, as long Prince/King Felipe fathers no son, inherit all her father's titles:

Her Royal Highness Doña Leonor de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Ortiz, Princess of Asturias, of Gerona and of Viana, Duchess of Montblanc, Countess of Cervera and Lady of Balaguer.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:05 PM
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The new Heiress will, as long Prince/King Felipe fathers no son, inherit all her father's titles:

Her Royal Highness Doña Leonor de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Ortiz, Princess of Asturias, of Gerona and of Viana, Duchess of Montblanc, Countess of Cervera and Lady of Balaguer.

For some reason it sounds more regal for a princess, than it does for a prince. I love The Princess of Asturias' titles!
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:32 PM
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Some historical info about the titles the new Princess will held:

Princess of Asturias:
Prince of Asturias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Princess of Gerona (or Girona, in Catalan):
Prince of Girona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Princess of Viana:

Prince of Viana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Duchess of Montblanc:
Duke of Montblanc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countess of Cervera:
Count of Cervera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lady of Balaguer:
Lord of Balaguer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Note that they´re all the titles that the heir to the different Middle Ages Kingdoms that later will form the unificated Spain used to held: the Prince of Asturias was the heir to the Crown of Castile, the Prince of Viana was the heir to the Crown of Navarre, and the other 4 were destined to the heir to the Crown of Aragon.

I just love this kind of historical facts
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Some historical info about the titles the new Princess will held:

Princess of Asturias:
Prince of Asturias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Princess of Gerona (or Girona, in Catalan):
Prince of Girona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Princess of Viana:

Prince of Viana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Duchess of Montblanc:
Duke of Montblanc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countess of Cervera:
Count of Cervera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lady of Balaguer:
Lord of Balaguer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Note that they´re all the titles that the heir to the different Middle Ages Kingdoms that later will form the unificated Spain used to held: the Prince of Asturias was the heir to the Crown of Castile, the Prince of Viana was the heir to the Crown of Navarre, and the other 4 were destined to the heir to the Crown of Aragon.

I just love this kind of historical facts

Thanks for sharing this!
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I'm not too familiar with the Spanish monarchy, but wonder will Juan Carlos and Sofia retain their titles?
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I'm not too familiar with the Spanish monarchy, but wonder will Juan Carlos and Sofia retain their titles?
That is not decided yet. Historically, other kings have remained kings after the abdication, but it is not sure that is going to happen now.
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If Catalonia seceded, would that affect the title(s) associated with that region?
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Old 06-04-2014, 06:35 PM
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Isabella II retained her title of Queen post abdication,Alfonso XIII formally abdicated in 1941 ,10 years after he was deposed but was always referred to as King. I guess we'll have to wait & see what title Juan Carlos & Sofia use post abdication.
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According to press reports, King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia, will not use any noble title of the Crown. Probably they will keep the title of king and queen, but with some difference, King father and Queen mother or treatment of Royal Highnesses.
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Old 06-05-2014, 12:29 PM
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However it looks, Sofia will always be a princess of Greece and Denmark, so she will at least retain that title. Perhaps the king will revert back to Don Juan Carlos. I don't foresee that being an issue as Queen Beatrix is now Princess Beatrix. That would be a good way to go about it in my opinion.
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If Catalonia seceded, would that affect the title(s) associated with that region?
No, because it are dynastical titles connected to the Heir(ess) as legitimate successor of the historic dynasty. It is not connected to the actual territory anymore.

Compare it with the title 'Prince of Orange'. In 1672 King Louis XIV of France wanted to hit his arch-nemesis William III of Nassau, Prince of Orange (Stadtholder of the United Provinces and also King of England, Scotland and Ireland). He occupied and seized the principality of Orange in the South of France. Finally, with the Treaty of Utrecht 1713, the heirs to the principality (the head of the Orange-Nassau dynasty and the head of the Hohenzollern dynasty) accepted the incorporation of the principality into France but kept the right to use the title "Prince of Orange" as a dynastical title. Still today Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia and Princess Catharina-Amalia of the Netherlands bear the ancient and proud title.

An eventual separatism will have no effect on the titulature of the Heir(ess). It remains part of the dynastical history.

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Will the new King give up the title "His Catholic Majesty"?
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That is not his title. His title is Rey de España and he has the prefix Su Majestad. Spain is a secular country and has no State Religion. The head of state of a secular country can not be "His Catholic Majesty".

King Juan Carlos himself spoke the wise words, when he sanctioned and promulgated the Bill which opened marriages for same-sex couples (under fierce protests of conservative Catholics): "Spanish Laws are made in Spain, not at the Vatican".

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Will Infanta Sofia be given an additional title? I'm thinking along the lines of Duchess or Countess, since Infantas Elena and Cristina are both Duchesses. Just out of interest, what are the available titles amongst the SRF at the moment, or which one would Sofia most likely receive?

I've been wondering this for a while now, so I would appreciate any replies.
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Infantas Elena and Cristina received their titles upon their marriages. Up until then both of them were "just" Infantas and not Duchesses.
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Ah OK, thanks for answering my question. I didn't realize that their titles were bestowed to them upon their marriage. I guess the same will happen to Sofia in the future.
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I prefer how the Dutch did it. Queen Wilhelmina, Queen Juliana and Queen Beatrix gave a rigid interpretation of abdication: for the Constitution an abication has the same effect as death. Le Roi est mort. Vive le Roi! All three Queens reverted to the style they had before the kingship. No any confusion possible: there is only one King and eventually one Queen. (Not like in Belgium two Kings and three Queens, all of them also conflicting with each other so now and then.

I would like it when the King revert to the old style: Su Alteza Real Don Juan Carlos de Borbón y Borbón, Infante de España. Eventually with a secondary title like Conde de Barcelona. The example is there: Charles V, who abdicated his many, many thrones in 1555/1556 reverted to the simple style he had before his accession to the throne: Count of Charolais.
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Will Infanta Sofia be given an additional title? I'm thinking along the lines of Duchess or Countess, since Infantas Elena and Cristina are both Duchesses. Just out of interest, what are the available titles amongst the SRF at the moment, or which one would Sofia most likely receive?

I've been wondering this for a while now, so I would appreciate any replies.
Both of the King's daughters and sisters were given Dukedoms for life only and will merge back with the Crown after they pass away.

Infanta Pilar,Duchess of Badajoz, Viscountess de la Torre ,in 1967 HRH married the late Viscount de la Torre
Infanta Margarita created Duchess of Soria in 1981
Infanta Elena Duchess of Lugo upon marriage in 1995
Infanta Cristina Duchess of Palma de Mallorca upon marriage upon marriage in 1997

The exception is the Duchy of Hernani which was inherited by Infanta Margarita in 1981 and will pass to her only son HE Don Alfonso Juan Carlos Zurita
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Both of the King's daughters and sisters were given Dukedoms for life only and will merge back with the Crown after they pass away.

Infanta Pilar,Duchess of Badajoz, Viscountess de la Torre
Infanta Margarita created Duchess of Soria in 1981
Infanta Elena Duchess of Lugo upon marriage in 1995
Infanta Cristina Duchess of Palma de Mallorca upon marriage upon marriage in 1997

The exception is the Duchy of Hernani which was inherited by Infanta Margarita in 1981 and will pass to her only son HE Don Alfonso Juan Carlos Zurita
But the the title Visconde de Torre did belong to the Infanta Pilar's late husband and not it those of her oldest son Juan.
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