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Old 06-26-2014, 01:52 PM
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Leonor could be introduced to official duties when she is 10. She is Crown Princess. King Felipe and Queen Letizia have to pick up slack meanwhile. If Infanta Elena wishes to help, it would be nice. European royals mollycoddle their children too much.
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Leonor could be introduced to official duties when she is 10. She is Crown Princess. King Felipe and Queen Letizia have to pick up slack meanwhile. If Infanta Elena wishes to help, it would be nice. European royals mollycoddle their children too much.
No, they try to give the gift of childhood, something you cannot go back and do. Children have the right to be children. 8 or 10 they are children. Stealing a childhood is the worst thing you can do. I do not know how old the prince you refer to is, but forcing a child or having an adult having to sit next to him for the evening at an official dinner is ludicrous. European Royals are trying to raise healthy, normal happy children.
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Crown Prince Moulay Hassan of Morocco was born in 2003. He appears to have a happy normal childhood and carries official duties.
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Leonor? at 8y old doind official duties? too young i think. CP of Belgium is doing, but she is much older, the Pcs of Orange also.
But there is a difference between the three Crown Princesses. Elisabeth and Amalia have appeared in public much more then Leonor so far. Even before their fathers became King ... And their "duties" were not that serious, no military parades or state banquets ;-)

It's quite interessting to see how the "old" Kings JC and Albert and Queen/Princess Beatrix are doing in their royal retirement. It seems that Princess Beatrix is still very busy ...
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As per Bekia the nephews & nieces of King Felipe have lost all their royal privileges including bodyguards

Froilán y el resto de sobrinos del Rey se quedan sin escoltas tras la proclamación de Felipe VI - Bekia
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It's quite interessting to see how the "old" Kings JC and Albert and Queen/Princess Beatrix are doing in their royal retirement. It seems that Princess Beatrix is still very busy ...
Princess Beatrix had no plans to retire after she abdicated, and I do hope that Queen Sofia continues with her official duties.
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No, they try to give the gift of childhood, something you cannot go back and do. Children have the right to be children. 8 or 10 they are children. Stealing a childhood is the worst thing you can do. I do not know how old the prince you refer to is, but forcing a child or having an adult having to sit next to him for the evening at an official dinner is ludicrous. European Royals are trying to raise healthy, normal happy children.


No one is saying Leonor should sit next to dignitaries at hours long state banquets and swirl champagne but starting with fun, creative thing's like zoo openings, child related causes, tree planting's and the like while mixing it up with more serious affairs once in awhile to get her feet wet and working up from their is a smart idea. Letting her play all the time , have no responsibility or exposure to her role and shoving her in to the spot light with expectations at 18 is a recipe for trouble.
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No, they try to give the gift of childhood, something you cannot go back and do. Children have the right to be children. 8 or 10 they are children. Stealing a childhood is the worst thing you can do. I do not know how old the prince you refer to is, but forcing a child or having an adult having to sit next to him for the evening at an official dinner is ludicrous. European Royals are trying to raise healthy, normal happy children.
I have to agree with this. As much as I love to see them, I personally think that making royal children perform similar engagements to their parents is a bit much. As you have said, they should have time to enjoy their childhood as it's probably one of the happiest times of one's life. At the end of the day, Leonor is eight years old and at that age, long events/events with not much action or playtime can be boring. I personally think that Leonor will start to accompany her parents on engagements when she is eleven or twelve years old, and start to undertake engagements herself when she's eighteen or so. Oh and just FYI, Prince Moulay Hassan is 11.

As for the other Spanish Royals, I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Elena because I heard in another thread that she is currently acting as Princess of Asturias since Leonor is still young. (Or something similar to that.) I think Cristina and her family will completely fade away from the spotlight. Queen Sofia will spend more time in Geneva with them (Cristina, Inaki and children) whilst Juan Carlos will only take part in certain events like official banquets and possibly state visits - basically official events in which the whole family is required to attend.

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No one is saying Leonor should sit next to dignitaries at hours long state banquets and swirl champagne but starting with fun, creative thing's like zoo openings, child related causes, tree planting's and the like while mixing it up with more serious affairs once in awhile to get her feet wet and working up from their is a smart idea. Letting her play all the time , have no responsibility or exposure to her role and shoving her in to the spot light with expectations at 18 is a recipe for trouble.
But the little Prince whom Al_bina was talking about (Moulay Hassan of Morocco) does undertake engagements such as official dinners and visits. And I take it that he or she meant that Leonor should perform similar engagements to him. I once saw a video of him visiting soldiers and signing a visitors' book (or something similar to that), which is something that only the older royals in Europe would do.
I do agree though, it would be nice if we could see Leonor and maybe Sofia at engagements that are suitable for children, a bit like what Victoria and Daniel are doing with Estelle in Sweden.
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Old 06-28-2014, 12:15 AM
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As for the other Spanish Royals, I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Elena because I heard in another thread that she is currently acting as Princess of Asturias since Leonor is still young. (Or something similar to that.)
It hasn't been said in any official statement that Elena will be doing duties of the Princess of Asturias because she is so young, it was just written to this forum by some person.
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Old 06-28-2014, 06:41 AM
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No, they try to give the gift of childhood, something you cannot go back and do. Children have the right to be children. 8 or 10 they are children. Stealing a childhood is the worst thing you can do. I do not know how old the prince you refer to is, but forcing a child or having an adult having to sit next to him for the evening at an official dinner is ludicrous. European Royals are trying to raise healthy, normal happy children.
Lenore and Sofia looked terrified when the crowds cheered and shouted. I would love to see them exposed in "on the balcony" type events when they can get there feet wet so to speak. Both children, while behaving impeccably, were demonstratively unprepared for the gravity, the enormity and the sheer number of people and the sound of crowds. All credit to Letizia for keeping such a close eye on them and soothing their fears. She seemed particularly concerned about Leonore, Sofia being to young to understand what was happening was actually more relaxed. So perhaps Letizia will change things around a little to facilitate the needs of the new royal family.

I remember the look on the reaction of the Duchess of Cambridge when they opened the balcony doors she and William stepped out and the crowd roared. She looked like a deer in the headlights for a moment there, and she is a grown woman. Lady Louise is almost a verteran and who could forget the frown and hands over the ears of the little flower girl. And the crowd was at a distance.

I like the way Victoria and Daniel are handling Estelle. No big occasions barring a family baptism but she's there on her mother's name day and on their national holiday. The idea is to create a feeling of safety while giving everyone else a little glimpse of the child without overwhelming them.

The same thing is happening with the Princesses of the Netherlands and also to a lesser extent the Danish CP family children and those of the Belgium royal family.

European Royals are trying to raise healthy, normal happy royal children. That is their reality after all!
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This was the third time in 40 years that members of the Royal Family appeared on the palace balcony... none of them are used to.

The girls were not frightened by people, girls were upset by the sun, that bothered them directly in the eyes. Leonor has very light eyes and she tried to cover them. It was very hot, there were fainting in the street and even among the guests of the palace ... I think the girls thought only to arrive home and jump in the pool.
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It hasn't been said in any official statement that Elena will be doing duties of the Princess of Asturias because she is so young, it was just written to this forum by some person.
I misinterpreted their post. I didn't hear any reports about Elena performing Leonor's engagements whilst she is still too young. I think I saw it in a post upthread, or perhaps a different thread. I agree with the original poster that this will most likely be the case, since Cristina is unable to 'cover' for Leonor and Felipe and Letizia have their own engagements to do as King and Queen.
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Leonor's, Princess of Asturias, parents will have to step up the effort then and cover up for their daughter. Both Infanta Elena and Infanta Christina, despite her failings, ceased to be members of the Spanish royal family.
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Yes, They be children but they can never, esp. the heirs, be 'normal' in the way other children can be.

When your fate is set the second you're born, live in a 300 year old manor and, sadly, get death threat's like the Duchess of Brabant, did you can really only have a type of normal...Down to earth routine, Parent's and family who keep you grounded , Friends who love you for who you are not what.
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Queen Sophia should continue her patronages and Infanta Elena could help.

As for Cristina, she should stay away as far as possible.

Will she server jail time is she is convicted?
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Zarzuela confirms that Infanta Elena will not participate in an acts of the official agenda. Institutional commitments will be done by king Felipe and queen Letizia and, to a lesser extent, King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia.
La Zarzuela confirma que la infanta Elena no volverá a participar en un acto de la agenda oficial
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Thanks - it makes absolutely sense to make a clean cut with both Elena & Cristina. I found the idea that Elena would stand in for Leonor completely out of order.
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This was the third time in 40 years that members of the Royal Family appeared on the palace balcony... none of them are used to.

The girls were not frightened by people, girls were upset by the sun, that bothered them directly in the eyes. Leonor has very light eyes and she tried to cover them. It was very hot, there were fainting in the street and even among the guests of the palace ... I think the girls thought only to arrive home and jump in the pool.
The girls might also have been overwhelmed by the tremendously fraught emotions among the adults concerning this hand over of power - children sense these things whether adults try to over it up in front of the kids or not.
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Where is King JC and Queen Sofia residing now that he has step down?
I assume that King Felipe and his Queen has moved into the palace once occupied by King JC?
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Don Juan Carlos and Doña Sofía are still residing in their private appartments at La Zarzuela.

La Zarzuela is not a specific palace but more a complex of several buildings on an annex of the domain of the neighbouring El Pardo Palace.
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