Princess Madeleine of Sweden and Christopher O'Neill: June 8, 2013


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Muhler said:
I absolutely disagree. It's a beautiful and tender tradition for a father to escort his daugther to the alter.
And I'm glad King Gustav didn't bow to the feminists this time.

I know you in Sweden frown upon the tradition of the father escorting the daughter to the alter, fortunately that tradition is in no danger of being abolished here in DK.

Should my own daughter decide to get married in a church I will be beaming like a lighthouse on speed next to her down the aisle.
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Actually, it's mostly the church of Sweden that the royals didn't bow to, since it's a swedish church tradition of walking down the aisle together. That tradition is much older than the current gender equality movement.

When I was much younger, I actually asked my father what he would say if I would ask him to walk me down the aisle one day. He laughed and said (in a broad dialect) - "But young lady, haven't I raised you so that you can walk your own ways and make your own decisions?". And yes, he raised me that way.

I do understand and respect that different nations have their own traditions. I just think it's sad that the royal family here, that usually are big on traditions, has chosen to disregard the church tradition in this particular detail. It's disrespectful to the church. It's also sad that many young women out there watch the royal weddings and want to copy them. The (IMO) great tradition of walking in together in the church is becoming more and more rare as our nation is soaked in all things american. I'm not a big fan of that.

KitKat2006 said:
Shouldn't it be the Queen who escorts her son down to the altar in this scenario? :whistling: :ROFLMAO:
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Haha, you're correct :)

Well, if that happens, I promise to not just stop nagging people about this, but also buy the prince couple a fancy wedding gift! :flowers:
 
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HRHHermione said:
Unless she doesn't want you to, of course.
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Of course, but that will be her decision. Not the will of some concrete-feminists, who use a medieval symbolism as an excuse to ban very tender father-daughter moment.
As if a modern day father would treat someone so precious as his children as a property to give away, even symbollically.
 
Marengo said:
The arrival at Drottningholm was cute. I hope that this was not the official picture though.

I wonder with whom Stephanie and Guillaume were hanging out since they were not on the deck with the other crown princely couples.
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The official pictures was taken at the Royal Palace between the wedding and the procession.
 
I am looking forward to the official photos.

Have Stephanie and Guillaume gone home? I didn't notice them get on and off the Stockholm boat.
 
xenobia said:
I've never been to a jewish wedding, just watched the on TV and such, but I think that's a much better tradition. When it's only the bride who is being led down the aisle, the origins of the tradition (that women were inferior to men, and always had a man as their guardian) are hard to ignore. At least to me. I like our scandinavian tradition better, with a wedding ritual that reflects that men and women are equal.

But we're allowed to have different opinions and ideas. To each his own.
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I completely agree. I think the idea of marriage is slighly old-fashioned and a mutual partnership registrered at your city hall much more equal. Even though the tradition is sweet, and my father would love nothing more, the tradition leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
xenobia said:
Actually, it's mostly the church of Sweden that the royals didn't bow to, since it's a swedish church tradition of walking down the aisle together. That tradition is much older than the current gender equality movement.

When I was much younger, I actually asked my father what he would say if I would ask him to walk me down the aisle one day. He laughed and said (in a broad dialect) - "But young lady, haven't I raised you so that you can walk your own ways and make your own decisions?". And yes, he raised me that way.

I do understand and respect that different nations have their own traditions. I just think it's sad that the royal family here, that usually are big on traditions, has chosen to disregard the church tradition in this particular detail. It's disrespectful to the church. It's also sad that many young women out there watch the royal weddings and want to copy them. The (IMO) great tradition of walking in together in the church is becoming more and more rare as our nation is soaked in all things american. I'm not a big fan of that.
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This is where cultural differences set in, even though our two countries are only six kilometres apart.
Should my own daughter wish to walk alone down the aisle, fair enough I won't walk next to her. But I would happy and delighted and honoured by escorting her down the aisle. That's an emphasiz of the strong bonds that will hopefully remain between me and my daughter, a show of support. I have after all been there for her all her life and I intend to be there for her on that day too.
The church? I wouldn't give a hoot about what some priest would have to say about that.
 
xenobia said:
Haha, you're correct :)

Well, if that happens, I promise to not just stop nagging people about this, but also buy the prince couple a fancy wedding gift! :flowers:
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Well, that´s the reason I like the Spanish tradition: the mother of the groom escorts her son; then the father of the bride escorts his daughter. Everything is done the old-fashioned way, the bride has her big entrance, groom and bride are equal and all the feminists are happy :lol:
And plus, I like to think that if I ever have a boy and a girl, both me and the childrens father will have the proud to walk with them down the aisle (I really hope not having just daughters :D)
 
Muhler said:
This is where cultural differences set in, even though our two countries are only six kilometres apart.
Should my own daughter wish to walk alone down the aisle, fair enough I won't walk next to her. But I would happy and delighted and honoured by escorting her down the aisle. That's an emphasiz of the strong bonds that will hopefully remain between me and my daughter, a show of support. I have after all been there for her all her life and I intend to be there for her on that day too.
The church? I wouldn't give a hoot about what some priest would have to say about that.
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It's perfectly okay with me if you don't give a hoot about church traditions. I just think - and you might agree with me there - that it's kind of strange that the swedish royal family doesn't give a hoot either.....

Empress Merel said:
I completely agree. I think the idea of marriage is slighly old-fashioned and a mutual partnership registrered at your city hall much more equal. Even though the tradition is sweet, and my father would love nothing more, the tradition leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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You and me both. I think that civil marriage with an optional church blessing is the way to go. But that's perhaps another thread... :flowers:
 
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I found the information on the Myrtle tradition of Sweden. The myrtle is from a bush brought to Sweden by Princess Margaret of Connaught following her 1905 wedding.
 
xenobia said:
It's perfectly okay with me if you don't give a hoot about church traditions. I just think - and you might agree with me there - that it's kind of strange that the swedish royal family doesn't give a hoot either.....
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Why? The church is there to service the congregation not the other way around.
And considering how willing the Swedish church has been to accept other changes, why not be willing to respect the wishes of a bride and her father? Instead of making such a fuss.
As if the whole concept of egalitarianism would have gone down the drain had King Carl Gustav escorted Victoria all the way to the altar.

Well, as you can probably tell this is something I feel strongly about as a father.;)
 
xenobia said:
You and me both. I think that civil marriage with an optional church blessing is the way to go. But that's perhaps another thread... :flowers:
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Absolutely. And if a couple decided to have children, the kids are much more binding than a marriage contract and rings will ever be.
 
Empress Merel said:
Absolutely. And if a couple decided to have children, the kids are much more binding than a marriage contract and rings will ever be.
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I don't see how frankly, a couple are going to get a divorce, children are unlikely to keep them together.
 
I have to say that Chris really did grow on me today -- his very sweet display of emotion was lovely. I am however, quite surprised that he is actually much shorter than I had imagined. Am I the only one surprised about this?
 
Lumutqueen said:
I don't see how frankly, a couple are going to get a divorce, children are unlikely to keep them together.
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We didn't talk about divorce but about the idea of marriage and no, if a couple want out, they will regardless if they have kids.
 
Muhler said:
Why? The church is there to service the congregation not the other way around.
And considering how willing the Swedish church has been to accept other changes, why not be willing to respect the wishes of a bride and her father? Instead of making such a fuss.
As if the whole concept of egalitarianism would have gone down the drain had King Carl Gustav escorted Victoria all the way to the altar.

Well, as you can probably tell this is something I feel strongly about as a father.;)
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And something that I feel strongly about as a woman and and daughter. (And also the former daughter-in-law of a priest in the church of sweden, but that's another story).

I also think that we have different views on the church. I don't think that the church's job is to be a nice backdrop for weddings that could be changed whenever the bride(zilla) wants it to. The church has traditions that I respect even though I don't always agree with them. And I'm surprised that the royal family doesn't respect them. So maybe I'll just push harder for civil weddings, even for royalty? Then all of this wouldn't be an issue.

Empress Merel said:
Absolutely. And if a couple decided to have children, the kids are much more binding than a marriage contract and rings will ever be.
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We agree about this too :)
If you want to divorce, you can. But even if you and your spouse divoce, you're still parents to your children together (if you have any). Being parents together is a much bigger committment than marriage, IMO.
 
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There seems to be quite frequent updates on the royal court website, but nothing yet on Madeleines page. I'm curious about how Chris will be mentioned. He's a member of the royal family now, but not the royal house.
 
That veil...is it necessary to have two pages holding the veil????They have pull the veil twice...
 
dazzling said:
Did Charlene miss the dress code of tiara and Sash?
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Tiaras and sashes are not a requirement, they are an option. If they were a requirement guest lists would be a lot smaller.
 
NGalitzine said:
Tiaras and sashes are not a requirement, they are an option. If they were a requirement guest lists would be a lot smaller.
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I'm new on that subject, but I thought it meant that if tiaras and sashes are the dress code, you wear them if you have them. If you don't, no one thinks that's strange. Charlene has both tiaras and sashes, so I do think it's strange that she didn't wear them. It seems as she didn't even wear earrings.
 
Maybe Charlene doesn't like her any of her tiaras and want new ones from Albert?:ROFLMAO:
 
The bride was beautiful, the groom was handsome, the couple looked happy. After reading posts for a few weeks now about how solemn and grumpy and miserable Chris is, I saw a man beaming with happiness, grinning from ear to ear, emotional when his bride arrived, and waving happily at the crowds. He did not seem angry, grumpy or miserable at all. In fact they both seemed quite happy to be finally man and wife and ready to begin their life together. Best wishes to both of them.
 
LadyFinn said:
Charlene, no tiara
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While I wanted to see the unseen wave tiara too, Monaco has a population of 30,000 people. Maybe Charlene thinks the sovereign consort of such a population has a role other than to trot out the family bling. It is a thought.

Heaven knows the rest of the current family has done as it pleased. ;)

NGalitzine said:
The bride was beautiful, the groom was handsome, the couple looked happy. After reading posts for a few weeks now about how solemn and grumpy and miserable Chris is, I saw a man beaming with happiness, grinning from ear to ear, emotional when his bride arrived, and waving happily at the crowds. He did not seem angry, grumpy or miserable at all. In fact they both seemed quite happy to be finally man and wife and ready to begin their life together. Best wishes to both of them.
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Well said - I loved the fist pump, the way he looked at her, his smile.

We were way too hard on him - it was nerves or reserve holding him back. I'm so happy for them both (and he looked splendid!)
 
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