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Old 06-08-2013, 06:25 PM
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Actually, it's mostly the church of Sweden that the royals didn't bow to, since it's a swedish church tradition of walking down the aisle together. That tradition is much older than the current gender equality movement.

When I was much younger, I actually asked my father what he would say if I would ask him to walk me down the aisle one day. He laughed and said (in a broad dialect) - "But young lady, haven't I raised you so that you can walk your own ways and make your own decisions?". And yes, he raised me that way.

I do understand and respect that different nations have their own traditions. I just think it's sad that the royal family here, that usually are big on traditions, has chosen to disregard the church tradition in this particular detail. It's disrespectful to the church. It's also sad that many young women out there watch the royal weddings and want to copy them. The (IMO) great tradition of walking in together in the church is becoming more and more rare as our nation is soaked in all things american. I'm not a big fan of that.
I think that the Swedish tradition of the couple walking into the church together is one which British and Australian and American couples should adopt, and I think it is disappointing that Swedish couples are adopting the American/British way. At least Madeleine was not escorted all the way down the aisle.

I think that adopting the Swedish tradition would be a fine way for couples to update traditional church wedding traditions to take account of modern concepts of equality. I cringe when I see people who have been living together for years having a big church wedding with white bridal dress and veil, and the woman's father giving her away.
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:26 PM
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Any guest that was not too keen on being on a boat were driven to Drottningholm. Not very much fun to get seasick. Perhaps they just chose to not ride the boat.
Ahhh, I see. Perhaps Gui and Steph don't do boats...Bless 'em!
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:30 PM
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A smiling Estelle at the church, Daniel and Carl Philip watching
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Estelle at Queen Silvia's arms
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:34 PM
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Don't know about the brittish royal brides, but when queen Ingrid (who was a swedish princess) married king Christian, she brougt part of the myrtle bush with her to Denmark. So danish royal brides also wear a piece of myrtle from the same plant. Don't know where in Sweden it's beeing kept these days.
It is Queen Victoria's myrtle from Osborn house, brougth to Sweden with Crown princess Margaret, and then to Denmark via her daugheter Ingrid.
All decendances of Margaret have the myrtle somvere in their bridal attire.
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:45 PM
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America didn't start the tradition of fathers walking daughters down the aisle, it was brought over from Europe!

True, the tradition of walking the daughter down the isle may not have started in the US, but that's where most swedish people know it from. We're soaked in everything that's american, including the language. I think that Thanksgiving is the only american thing we don't have over here. (And good luck trying to find a swede who isn't almost fluent in english).

However, I think that it's a pity when old swedish customs (like the one mentioned here) are almost dissapearing and being replaced by foreign ones. I can give you another example. Halloween. That evening has traditionally been a time where almost everyone goes out to put flowers and candles on the graves of loved ones. It's a day of rememberance. Or.. it was. These days, it's just as much about kids trick or treating. And I don't mind giving candy to kids in costumes - but I do mind that the old swedish tradition seems to be vanishing in favour of the new one.

I welcome new input, but I don't want the unique things that IMO make up the essence of swedish culture to dissapear.

Hope that makes things clearer.

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Any guest that was not too keen on being on a boat were driven to Drottningholm. Not very much fun to get seasick. Perhaps they just chose to not ride the boat.
Sounds very likely. I know that there were buses on stand-by, in case the weather would have made the boat trip impossible. The royals were also bussed from the church to the place where they boarded the boats. So I guess that those who didn't want to take the boat could opt to take the bus all the way to Drottningholm.
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:58 PM
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I think that the Swedish tradition of the couple walking into the church together is one which British and Australian and American couples should adopt, and I think it is disappointing that Swedish couples are adopting the American/British way. At least Madeleine was not escorted all the way down the aisle.

I think that adopting the Swedish tradition would be a fine way for couples to update traditional church wedding traditions to take account of modern concepts of equality. I cringe when I see people who have been living together for years having a big church wedding with white bridal dress and veil, and the woman's father giving her away.
One thing that I really enjoy with the groom waiting for the bride at the altar is their reactions when they first see her walking down the aisle. Chris' reaction had that definite wOw factor. Because of this, many bride's gowns are guarded at the level of top state information. This would be totally lost if the bride and groom entered together.

I loved seeing Estelle at the wedding and one of my thoughts were that both her parents are very much hands on. I did wonder why Daniel and Estelle joined Victoria when she was doing the reading but now its clear that Estelle wanted to be involved too. I had to smile too seeing that she had her own little Princess chair.

I thought it was a beautiful ceremony and a very happy union between two people that obviously love each other very much.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:04 PM
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A smiling Estelle at the church, Daniel and Carl Philip watching
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Estelle at Queen Silvia's arms
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Honestly,it was silly to bring such a young child to a church wedding.
It distracts the attention from the couple who marry and from the ceremony.
What if Estelle made a tantrum in the middle of the ceremony.I have the feeling that Victoria loves to much to show her daughter as a trophy.
I hope the couple gave their approval
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:08 PM
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I absolutely disagree. It's a beautiful and tender tradition for a father to escort his daugther to the alter.
And I'm glad King Gustav didn't bow to the feminists this time.

I know you in Sweden frown upon the tradition of the father escorting the daughter to the alter, fortunately that tradition is in no danger of being abolished here in DK.

Should my own daughter decide to get married in a church I will be beaming like a lighthouse on speed next to her down the aisle.
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This has been the tradition in Sweden since the sixtenhundrades, to really show to all that the bride is not forced to marry!
Man and woman walk euqally besides eachother.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:11 PM
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Honestly,it was silly to bring such a young child to a church wedding.
It distracts the attention from the couple who marry and from the ceremony.
What if Estelle made a tantrum in the middle of the ceremony.I have the feeling that Victoria loves to much to show her daughter as a trophy.
I hope the couple gave their approval
I just wrote about this in another thread, so forgive me if some of you think that I'm repeating myself.

It's very common in Sweden to bring kids to the wedding ceremony in the church. In fact, you can't stop them. Well, maybe in this special case, but not in general. The church ceremony (vigselgudstjänst, in swedish) is open to the public. Everyone is used to children being there.

On the other hand, most people take the kids to a babysitter before they're off to wedding dinner and party. I think I dare saying that most of the weddings I've been to the last ten years have been for adults only. I think that's a wise thing, especially if you plan to party long and hard until the sun comes up.. :)

So what Victoria and Daniel did with Estelle didn't raise any eyebrows here in Sweden.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:16 PM
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I think that the Swedish tradition of the couple walking into the church together is one which British and Australian and American couples should adopt, and I think it is disappointing that Swedish couples are adopting the American/British way. At least Madeleine was not escorted all the way down the aisle.

I think that adopting the Swedish tradition would be a fine way for couples to update traditional church wedding traditions to take account of modern concepts of equality. I cringe when I see people who have been living together for years having a big church wedding with white bridal dress and veil, and the woman's father giving her away.
I think couples should do what THEY want to do, not what everyone else wants them to do or thinks what they should do. It would not be THEIR wedding if they did. Madeleine and Chris did as they chose to do. I was just as surprised to see her father walking her down the aisle as anyone else as I had read over and over she was sticking with tradition. If my daddy was still alive, I'd have him walk me down the aisle. That would be MY CHOICE.

Everyone have the choice whether to follow tradition or not. It would be highly unusual for traditions to be written in stone and be treated as some law everyone has to follow. I've seen where following or not following traditions have divided families and friends. Life is too short for that.

Madeleine did not follow that particular tradition. Her father walked her up the aisle. She is no less married for it. It is what is. Let's just be happy for them both.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:17 PM
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One thing that I really enjoy with the groom waiting for the bride at the altar is their reactions when they first see her walking down the aisle. Chris' reaction had that definite wOw factor. Because of this, many bride's gowns are guarded at the level of top state information. This would be totally lost if the bride and groom entered together.
You see, I find that creepy. That obsession with keeping the dress a secret so everyone can watch the expression on the man's face when he sees what the woman is wearing as she is brought in and presented to him by her previous owner. It puts too much emphasis on superficial things, IMO. And what if he thinks the dress is hideous and his expression reflects this? And I also think its a horrible waste of money to spend thousands on a dress that will only be worn once. No, far better, IMO, for him to share his thoughts about how beautiful she looks privately, then walk in together as equals.

To each his own though.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:18 PM
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One thing that I really enjoy with the groom waiting for the bride at the altar is their reactions when they first see her walking down the aisle. Chris' reaction had that definite wOw factor. Because of this, many bride's gowns are guarded at the level of top state information. This would be totally lost if the bride and groom entered together.
You enjoyed it because it's a part of the wedding traditions belonging to your culture, but to me it was something foreign to see the groom waiting for the bride, the same way you would feel it being something foreign for you to witness the Swedish tradition at a wedding in the U.S. I have attended a number of weddings in Sweden and the bride and groom have always walked up to the altar together (and I hope I never will have to attend a wedding here in Sweden where the couple prefer a non-Swedish wedding tradition).
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:21 PM
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I think couples should do what THEY want to do, not what everyone else wants them to do or thinks what they should do.
I totally agree with you, but I am also entitled to hold my own views, and express them.
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I don't think a father walking his daughter down the aisle shows gender inequality; it is a touching father-daughter moment.

( A friend recently learned she was expecting a little girl; do you know what her husband exclaimed when he saw the picture?

Oh, I'll get to walk her down the aisle!
He was all excited and that was the first thing he thought of, and his child wasn't even born yet.)
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soooooooo beautiful the official photos!
and, of course, estelle was the star of the party!
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:24 PM
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Thanks Xenobia for the info but this is a high profile wedding .
The guests were high profile too,there were lot of cameras.As I said what if Estelle had a tantrum?
I highly doubt that child of Estelle's age would have been allowed in Victoria's wedding.
In my church,too young children don't come to the sunday service.It's their parents who prefer to put them in the care of volunteer baby sitters inside the church.In this way,they don't disturb their parents or other attendees.
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And I also think its a horrible waste of money to spend thousands on a dress that will only be worn once.
To each his own though.
Well given how many people get married and divorced over and over again I suppose you could get a dress that was wash and wear. I even know one woman who had her dress and veil died black and wore it to her divorce party which her ex husband also attended.
To each his own
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:29 PM
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I don't think a father walking his daughter down the aisle shows gender inequality; it is a touching father-daughter moment.
I'm not trying to take something away from those who are raised with this tradition. I'm just trying to explain what it looks like to those of us who aren't. Personally, it makes me sad to se that so many swedish brides ignore the wonderful tradition we have here. To me, walking your daughter down the isle actually shows gender inequality at its very core. I'm fully aware that others interpret what they see differently. But as it's said before: to each his own.
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For posters asking about Guillaume and Stephanie, couples who did not want a boat ride had the option of being driven to Drottningholm.


Guillaume has no problems with seasickness, I saw photos of him enjoying himself on boat rides at Queen Maxima's 40th birthday celebrations.

So perhaps it's Stephanie.
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Loved the wedding grown that Princess Madeleine was wearing. I also liked the dress that Prince Victoria and her sister-in-law Daniel sister was wearing. Very classy. Thought it was cute that Estelle was part of the wedding. I would think that in general she's a well-behaved child. Otherwise, I don't think her parents would have brought her to the wedding if she had been crying or cranky the night before the wedding.

For the most part I liked the dresses that the women wore. I liked the dress that Emma wore but it was strange her shoes were black. When I saw the picture that's the first thing I noticed.

As for Sofia, I didn't like her dress at all. I didn't look like a dress you would wear to a wedding. Why would you wear a solid white dress to a wedding? Maybe a fashion show but not a royal wedding. It got you're attention, that I will say. But to each his own, as I will say.

I wish Princess Madeleine & Chris the best.
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