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Old 06-18-2010, 09:42 AM
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If it's true, he is just plain stupid. He will get what he deserves I don't have a doubt about that.
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Old 06-18-2010, 11:19 PM
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Nothing has been decided at all yet. Give the guy a break....she is obviously very difficult to deal with anyhow...it's sad how , after many years, that Jonas and Emma have been treated so badly.....
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Old 06-20-2010, 09:48 AM
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What has not been decided? If the his lover is going to have an abortion or not? Or if Jonas and Madeleinde have not broken up?

Even if Madeliene is the most overbearing woman in the world she doesn't deserve to be humiliated publicly is she?
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Old 06-20-2010, 04:41 PM
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Nothing has been decided at all yet. Give the guy a break....she is obviously very difficult to deal with anyhow...it's sad how , after many years, that Jonas and Emma have been treated so badly.....
But that is life. If one breaks up with someone [even after a many years relationship], it is always better to not include the "outsiders" in family gatherings. This get too uneasy because people just don't know how to act around them. That goes for an simple break-up of a couple just growing apart, or worse, in a nasty cheating humiliating breakup. The feelings of family have to be considered over the feelings of the old love interest.
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Old 06-20-2010, 05:07 PM
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They have split and thats it. Any speculation about getting back together is just written to be sold.

I dont like the black and white view regarding this couple - the bad bad Jonas who cheated and poor poor Madeleine. They were together for many years and obviously deserved each other. Nobody deserves to be cheated but as somebody already said, Madeleine certainly isnt easy to deal with. At times she looks very spoilt, used to get what she wants, luxury lifestyle.
I am not trying to make an excuse but I dont believe that the story is that simple, Jonas the bad guy and Madeleine the Kings daughter, sweet and innocent.
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:29 PM
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I dont like the black and white view regarding this couple - the bad bad Jonas who cheated and poor poor Madeleine. They were together for many years and obviously deserved each other. Nobody deserves to be cheated but as somebody already said, Madeleine certainly isnt easy to deal with. At times she looks very spoilt, used to get what she wants, luxury lifestyle.
I am not trying to make an excuse but I dont believe that the story is that simple, Jonas the bad guy and Madeleine the Kings daughter, sweet and innocent.

Hate to break this to you, but it doesn't matter what kind of attitude Madeleine had.....or any woman has, for that matter.....there's no excuse for infidelity. None. And trying to say that it's not black and white or that she's not easy to deal with or that she's used to getting what she wants is in essence, rationalizing his degrading behavior.

No woman (or man) deserves to be cheated on. Doesn't matter what they did or didn't do, said or didn't say. If Madeleine was that much trouble or Jonas found himself unable to be with her anymore, he should have been the bigger person and broke up with her. Because that's what an adult does. If you can't be with someone anymore, you tell them to their face that the relationship isn't going to work anymore and maybe it's best you split up. You don't go dropping your pants for the first (or several) floozy that comes along. It's immature and disrespectful.

So please stop trying to parse why he did what he did, as though there was a good reason for it, tucked away somewhere. There is none. Period.
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:37 PM
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They have split and thats it. Any speculation about getting back together is just written to be sold.

I dont like the black and white view regarding this couple - the bad bad Jonas who cheated and poor poor Madeleine. They were together for many years and obviously deserved each other. Nobody deserves to be cheated but as somebody already said, Madeleine certainly isnt easy to deal with. At times she looks very spoilt, used to get what she wants, luxury lifestyle.
I am not trying to make an excuse but I dont believe that the story is that simple, Jonas the bad guy and Madeleine the Kings daughter, sweet and innocent.
I agree with Sister M.
I can't stand when men do wrong things in relationships then try to blame it on the woman.
Jonas is wrong. Bottom line. I don't care how much of a "brat" Madeleine is, he's still wrong.
I was under the impression that men like to "spoil" their women. Madeleine is a princess...get over it. You're making it seem like she was a demon girlfriend or something. Jonas was wrong and whether we like it or not, from now on, Jonas will be known as the "bad guy" and Madde will be known as the "sweet princess".....cause thats just the way the world works.
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:50 PM
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Sister Morphine is right! There is absolutely no excuse for infidelity. If you cannot keep it zipped, then leave the relationship. I suspect that Jonus has been cheating off and on throughout the entire relationship. It is implied that she had forgiven him when he proposed - assuring her that this was the King's wishes. What a guy! The rag magazine article covering the bimbo from Norway was bad enough. Now the rumor is that there is a young woman working at his law firm who is pregnant by him and refuses to get an abortion. Is this true or just another rag magazine "extra?" If true, that may have been the real reason the royal family announced a split.

I am glad she behaved in a modest manner during the wedding celebrations. Her bahavior while abroad left something to be desired. Perhaps moving to the U.S. or another country will give her time to recoup and a chance to choose a better path. Her family deserves her best behavior right now. And, more importantly, she deserves time to heal and make some changes in her life.

I wonder what Jonus Bergstrom thought when he saw the wonderful wedding program on TV. I hope "what could have been" flashed through his brain. He must now know what all he threw away.
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:53 PM
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It amazes me so much that some people here aren't able to discuss - they just preach...

Madeleine surprised me pleasantly yesterday. Although it was pretty clear that she hasn't got over the whole situation, she managed to look so decent and graceful at her sister's wedding. Victoria deserved it - many congrats to Madde!
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Old 06-20-2010, 07:21 PM
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I second that.

I also agree with DoM. Do we know them personally? Not likely. Do we know what happened exactly, besides his cheating(s) I mean, how they talked and acted with each other in private? If we assume that Madeleine is a good girl and with the knowledge that she spent years with Jonas - then he must have good qualities as well. The world isn't black and white, there are shades of grey as well, IMO.
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Old 06-20-2010, 07:51 PM
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I also agree with DoM. Do we know them personally? Not likely. Do we know what happened exactly, besides his cheating(s) I mean, how they talked and acted with each other in private? If we assume that Madeleine is a good girl and with the knowledge that she spent years with Jonas - then he must have good qualities as well. The world isn't black and white, there are shades of grey as well, IMO.


Of course there are shades of gray in life. Where there aren't however, is in matters of infidelity. There is no excuse for what he did, it doesn't matter what kind of girlfriend she was to him.
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Old 06-20-2010, 07:55 PM
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If he found her unbeareable he could have broken up with her. Although there is still something shady about their break up.
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:42 PM
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According to the article it is said that Jonas is going to be a father to a child with his co-worker.
This isn't a comment on Jonas in particular (since I don't yet believe this report), but just a general note.
I can get over cheating, it's low and everything, but I can get over that. What I don't and won't ever understand or rationalize is people who cheat without using protection.
In this day and age it's pure madness for your own health, but it's downright criminal to risk bringing a potentially incurable or even lethal disease in your household.

There's disloyalty, and then there's pure contempt, imo. This latest episode, if true, would fall in the later category.

As for the current debate, I didn't read Duke's post as a rationalisation of infidelity. I actually don't thing his and Sister's views are incompatible.
Basically, it's blatant that his infidelity(ies) brought an end to the relationship (and rightly so), but he alone can't bear the full responsibility of its failure.
But I agree with your general point Sister, chronic infidelity is a coward's way; adults end things and move on.
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Sister Morphine #606 Perfectly written---flowers to you.
Melibea -- I don't see anything shady about breaking up with a cheater even if the man had already asked her father for her hand and expressed to her that the King was OK with him. That just makes him more of a shady character. Seems to me that he probably thought that she wouldn't have the nerve to cause a scandal so close to her sister's wedding. But, after spending hours watching the wedding, I realized what a close family they are --Royal or not--and I am sure the weeks prior to the wedding was well orchestrated. Madeleine was doing exactly what her mother and father suggested. The Royal Family was fine with Madeleine. It was the rest of the world and the media that was finding fault in what she was doing.
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Basically, it's blatant that his infidelity(ies) brought an end to the relationship (and rightly so), but he alone can't bear the full responsibility of its failure.
I disagree. He should bear 100% of the responsibility for cheating. There is no excuse. Even if she was the biggest bi-ch in the world he should have left the current relationship before running after another. He would only be staying around her then for the money, fame, high life, etc., if he didn't. That would be another reason to get rid of him. Actually the nice looking lawyer seems to be lacking morals. She will do much better.
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Basically, it's blatant that his infidelity(ies) brought an end to the relationship (and rightly so), but he alone can't bear the full responsibility of its failure.

Yes he can. Had they split up for any other reason, I'd agree with you. It takes two to end a relationship.......unless one cheats on the other. Then it's all on them.

Madeleine may have been the world's worst girlfriend. That's a total possibility. You know the old saying, "no matter how beautiful the woman is, there's always a man sick of her ----." In other words, she could have treated him horribly. Could have put him down, flaunted her position in life, flirted with other men, spent loads of money, bitched and nagged him all the time....the list goes on. None of that behavior would give him the right to cheat on her, though. That's not how a man (or a woman) handles their business. You dump them. Say that's it, I'm through. You pack your bags and you get the hell out. Tell her parents it's been swell, but you just can't marry her. You don't cheat on her, embarrass her and her family and then think you're going to come out smelling like roses.
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Has it been proven that HE cheated on HER ???????
I thought we were not allowed to disrespect anyone one this board , yet I have seen several posts which refer to Mr. Bergstrom as "an idiot"..and "a loser" etc......???

she is a princess....so she is always right ?? ....is that it ????
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Old 06-20-2010, 09:36 PM
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The morality aspect of this whole story is what's confusing the arguments. And it's an emotional reaction, I think, which is also understandable. In a perfect world we would not have these problems, but unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world.

His behavior is reprehensible. However, he's a human being prone to personal failure as is everyone. It's obvious he was reckless and irresponsible. I think it's very easy to blame him for what went wrong and he brought all that on himself. But I don't think we should forget that psychology/level of maturity should be considered here. One thing is for certain, they were not right for each other so it's all for the best. Hopefully they will both emerge from this stronger and better people.

How he moves forward with his life will attest to whether or not he learned something from the experience. However, luckily for him, we won't be around to judge him one way or the other.
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Has it been proven that HE cheated on HER ???????
I thought we were not allowed to disrespect anyone one this board , yet I have seen several posts which refer to Mr. Bergstrom as "an idiot"..and "a loser" etc......???

she is a princess....so she is always right ?? ....is that it ????

One, no one said that because she's a princess, she's always right. Two, Jonas' wandering eyes (and other body parts) have been common knowledge in the news both in Sweden and Norway (where the other woman is from) ever since the break-up was announced. Also, news surfaced shortly after that he had cheated on her during their relationship PRIOR to the engagement and that she agreed to an engagement to try and "save" the relationship. Three, calling a man that cheats on his fiancee an "idiot" or a "loser" is actually not disrespectful. It's merely stating fact, no different than saying the sky is blue and 2 + 2 = 4. Four, relax.
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I was wondering what he was thinking during Victoria wedding? if it wasn't for his cheat, he was going to be there enjoying the party, i bet he regreted now!
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