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Old 04-25-2010, 04:12 PM
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I tried plugging the url of the article into both InterTran and Google's translation service, since they both will translate webpages, but both sites told me that translation was denied. Hmmm.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:14 PM
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Try copying and pasting the text into Google Translate (set for Swedish to English). I'm not sure of the exact address but if you put "google translate" into any search engine the website should come up.

...oops, I see apparently that doesn't work.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:16 PM
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The article says that princess Madeleine was on the plaine with her body guard but they didn't even say a word to each other, and the plan was while she was flying, the new about her break up with Jonas was announced.

I translate with google chrome directly, cause it gives me the option to translate an entire text in the same page
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:48 PM
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One of the reasons Royalty always used to be advised to marry another Royal (or at least high noble) person, was that they would not be 'usuing' you to raise their social profile, etc., etc. You would know that they cared for you - excepting, of course, a few 'arranged' marriages for the very senior Royals.

I also think that Madeleine was very young when she first went out with Jonas, and that she perhaps has not therefore had very many other romantic experiences. This may be the reason why she was prepared to forgive him and go into deeper commitment in an attempt to solve the problem. It will not be easy for her for the next while, but I believe that life will get better for her than marrying a cheating husband.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:29 PM
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Jonas is the loser here because he cheated on a wonderful gal.He took her for granted.Maddie's prospects are great. She can bounce back with her fabulous smile at the wedding of her sis which I anticipate seeing her at ravishing as usual.
Jonas on the other hand is the one to feel sorry for.Truly
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:46 PM
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From my understanding, Jonas and Madeline both seem like very high strung characters. They both come off as Alpha persons and that can either become a great team or they will both wear each other down. Seems like they wore each other down. The whole engagment seemed rush to begin with but glad that they official announced the break now and there will be time to move on before the wedding. It is a shame though, I did like them as a couple.
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Old 04-25-2010, 06:57 PM
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The way I see it is that there were two issues here:
1) His character. Obviously his behavior on the romantic side shows immaturity and unpreparedness (or unwillingness perhaps) to become (or be) a royal husband
2) Overall persona. It is also a fact that this gentleman is way above average at least in terms of appearance, self-confidence etc, that is, he has the PR characteristics that usually lead to succes and possibly, he may also be a good lawyer. My point is that perhaps he is not the type of man or the type of person born to become someone's spouse but, rather, his own person.

If one puts (1) and (2) above together, the end result came as no surprise to me.
While its true that a lot of men have true being the 2nd chair, but if that were completely true, then no one with confidence in their self, appearance, and has the abilities to be successful could never be a spouse to someone else. What would that say to all the spouses that married in? I would hate to think all the women that married in were able to do so because they don't have what it takes to be successful and independent.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:52 PM
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I also think that Madeleine was very young when she first went out with Jonas, and that she perhaps has not therefore had very many other romantic experiences. This may be the reason why she was prepared to forgive him and go into deeper commitment in an attempt to solve the problem.


I don’t think that’s the only reason. I think Jonas went ‘over her head’ so to speak, and went to the king after Madeleine found out about his cheating and asked her father for permission to marry her. The king, not knowing about the affair(s?) gave his blessing and was probably beaming with happiness at the idea of Jonas for a son-in-law (quite a contrast from his grim expression at the announcement of Victoria & Daniel’s engagement).

This is all pure speculation, of course, but I can see Jonas manipulating Madeleine’s fear of disappointing her father. Besides, what young women her age wouldn’t rather be involved in the happy planning of a wedding than to have to admit to their father that her fiancé is a cad and she’s about to make the biggest mistake of her life?

I think of all the family, Victoria was probably the first to know, and she probably went to Queen Sylvia, prompting the ‘long talk’ with her daughter. From there, the whole thing unraveled. Madeleine just had to have the backbone to say she wanted to call it off. Not easy to do when the whole country’s watching, and you know you’re going to have to disappoint your dad.
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Maybe the relationship was already in a way over when they announced the engagement....
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:31 PM
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I don't think so, why would they make that kind of effort knowing their relationship had no future?
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:14 PM
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I am wondering, what will she do with the engagement ring? She surely wouldn't dare wear it anymore, so will it be disposed of? Or will it be kept or put in a museum or something?
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:21 PM
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I am wondering, what will she do with the engagement ring? She surely wouldn't dare wear it anymore, so will it be disposed of? Or will it be kept or put in a museum or something?
I would think she would just return it to Jonas. It's of no use to her.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:22 PM
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I am wondering, what will she do with the engagement ring? She surely wouldn't dare wear it anymore, so will it be disposed of? Or will it be kept or put in a museum or something?

If the woman breaks off the engagement, she must return the ring. If the man breaks off the engagement, she can keep the ring. If it's a mutual dissolution of the relationship, I believe the ring can go with either party.

I don't know how many times I've read actual news articles of men taking women to court to either get the ring back or the value of the ring back (monetarily) because they broke off the engagement/ended the relationship and then refused to return it. It's considered poor manners to keep an engagement ring when you're the reason the engagement was called off. It doesn't matter if the guy caused the girl to break off the engagement -- she still has to return it.


I would hope Madeleine won't be tacky and she'll return it.
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:00 AM
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I am wondering, what will she do with the engagement ring? She surely wouldn't dare wear it anymore, so will it be disposed of? Or will it be kept or put in a museum or something?

What else shall she do with it -- other than giving it back? She has enough access to (much more wealthy) jewels. And the look on the ring may create nothing but pain to her (at least at this moment).
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:04 AM
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This whole issue is deeply embarrassing for the SRF. Not sure why it had to come this far.

Once a cheat, always a cheat. Its better to break off an engagement than being trapped in an unhappy royal marriage - or a royal divorce, much worse.

Not sure I feel sorry for Madeleine, she knew him for many years and if I recall correctly, he once dumped his girlfriend for her, what does say something about his character.

Jonas is the type of guy, good looking lawyer with lots of hair gel, who thinks he can have it all. Very bold to go ahead with THE question despite playing on several ends of the field. Madeleine suited him quite well in the show-off sense, always tanned and dressed in Barbie style. She probably just wanted that ring on her finger, annoyed by the waiting game played by her sister.

Now its a wake up call after having wasted some good years on him. Good luck in finding somebody who may not look as good but is honest with her.
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First of all, I don't think Madeleine would want to keep the ring. I wouldn't. Second, I think she is so angry about being misled by Jonas that there is no chance she will keep the ring or go back with him. He has obviously been partying without her for some time. When she heard gossip about the Norwegian girl, he worked very hard to convince her it was not an affair but just gossip. When things cooled down a bit, he made an end run around her and requested permission from the King to marry her. I'm sure the unsuspecting king was joyful that his "fair haired boy" was going to marry his sweet Madeleine. Jonas took her to Capri and asked her to marry him by assuring her that the King had given his approval. With a big sigh, he must have congratulated himself in saving his place on the red carpet. Of course, the Norwegian girl read this and thought she would out this hypocrit. Her many news interviews and pictures sealed his fate. Madeleine must have had a flash of reality. Instead of looking sad and forlorn, she looked determined and very angry. I am sure that after she laid out the entire plot to her friends and family, Jonas was thoroughly unmasked as a cad. His scheming to cover up by insuring an engagement before she could catch on was a clear picture of his lack of character and crass qualities. She is lucky she discovered this now and saved herself from an very unfortunate marriage. I understand that she discussed this entire matter with her mother and with her parents encouragement, the engagement was disolved immediately. I admire her courage, her intelligence in discovering the plot to rope her into a sham marriage, and her calm and regal response as she left for the U.S.
I wish her joy and a pleasant life. She is sure to meet someone worthy of her in the days ahead.
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:30 AM
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I see people referring to a talk between Madeleine and her mother, but her mother said "unfortunately" there won't be a wedding. Now if your daughter was cheated on and you were against it, then they would see no wedding happening as a fortunate thing and would not see it as an unfortunate event. Not a women think one affair is reason enough (sadly) to break things off, so we don't know what her mother told her if the did indeed had a "long talk".
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:42 AM
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My heart goes out to Madeleine! To find out the man she's about to marry isn't who or what she thought he was must be devastating. And if it were me there would always be a nagging thought, wondering if he really loved me for me or wanted me for my position. It might even make me jaded in future relationships. I hope it's not the same for Madeleine.
Her engagement ring was so lovely! I could understand is she didn't want to keep it because it's a reminder of him. On the other hand, if she gave it back to him, he might sell it to the highest bidder as a souvenir item. That would be reason enough to keep it! How long before he sells his story or writes a book? His character is forever damaged by his cheating.
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I am wondering, what will she do with the engagement ring? She surely wouldn't dare wear it anymore, so will it be disposed of? Or will it be kept or put in a museum or something?
Technically, and in a traditional sense, an engagement ring is given to a lady as a promise in contemplation of marriage rather than a straightforward gift. If the gentleman in question brakes off the engagement, he should not expect the return of ring (unless of course the lady has seen fit to throw it and other things at him!) or it's monetary value. If the lady breaks off the engagement, then it would be seemly to hand the ring back to him. I suspect Madeleine has either already given the ring back or taken it off and put it away.
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It's always sad when a couple break up and I'm sure Madeleine will bounce back in time.

What the heck was Jonas thinking in having these alleged affairs!!!!! He should do himself a favour and leave Sweden because he will always be remembered for the dipstick who broke their Princess' heart. Stupid chap. Just as well the Norwegian girl came out with the story so the relationship could end now instead of a couple of years of they decided to get married. Best of luck to Madeleine and to Jonas .....everything that gets thrown at you in the next few months, you probably deserve it.
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