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Old 12-09-2013, 09:48 AM
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Personally I am uncomfortable on a two hour flight... I couldn't imagine being 7 to 8 months pregnant on a transatlantic flight. Perhaps she only wants to do it once...and decided to come from her mother's birthday.
Although I am 68, I am (fortunately) in very good health, and I find a transatlantic flight very difficult. Sitting for 8-9 hours without being able to move much, in very cramped seats, is misery! I'm sure, even in 1st class where there is more room, walking around is difficult. And if you're pregnant and are up and around when the plane hits turbulence could be very dangerous.
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:55 AM
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at this stage of a pregnancy the baby could be pressing on the bladder and the need to attend the ladies romm often.
how many ours is the nobel dinners?
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Old 12-09-2013, 11:08 AM
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Here are my two bits for what its worth:

1) I have no idea why Mady is attempting to explain her absence from the Nobels on FB. She does not need to. Any queries can be dealt with by the Palace directly

2) Not that I think she has much of a role to play at the Nobels in my opinion (other than to don yet another expensive frock and some family jewels), but if she is travelling to Stockholm for her mothers birthday, she may as well arrive a week early and attend the Nobels.

3) Any arguments about not travelling at this stage of the pregnancy are not valid, IMO, when she will be travelling the very next week!

Simply put, IMO, Madeleine needs to be careful of what she says in the public domain. Reputations are hard won, and easily lost.
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Old 12-09-2013, 11:48 AM
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I don't understand the criticism of Madeleine over this Nobel thing. She's very pregnant and she lives in the US. It seems she's decided it's more important to be in Sweden for her mother's birthday than for the Nobel event. Or maybe she and her husband have another important event at home that week. She's not the heir or the spare. She's only No. 4. She might have been born a princess but she chose to marry a man who has a career in another country and that has consequences. Her life is now in that other country and she can't be at every Royal event in Sweden.
The Nobel Prize ceremony is the most important event of the year. The royal family are as the honour guests at the festivities on Tuesday. Madeleine has been announced to attend to the Nobel Foundation and now she cancels 3 or 4 days before the ceremony and banquet, causing very unpleasant moments to the Nobel Foundation since they have to make new sitting placements. And unfortunately this year came this Mandela memorial service so that even Victoria and prime minister Reinfeldt can't attend.

In her own Facebook message Madeleine didn't say anything about the long flight, just that it would be hard for her to attend at the lengthy program. Last year Ebba Kleberg von Sydow hosted for SVT the whole long evening, although she was pregnant and her baby was due at the beginning of March.
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Old 12-09-2013, 11:55 AM
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The Nobel Prize ceremony is the most important event of the year. The royal family are as the honour guests at the festivities on Tuesday. Madeleine has been announced to attend to the Nobel Foundation and now she cancels 3 or 4 days before the ceremony and banquet, causing very unpleasant moments to the Nobel Foundation since they have to make new sitting placements. And unfortunately this year came this Mandela memorial service so that even Victoria and prime minister Reinfeldt can't attend.

In her own Facebook message Madeleine didn't say anything about the long flight, just that it would be hard for her to attend at the lengthy program. Last year Ebba Kleberg von Sydow hosted for SVT the whole long evening, although she was pregnant and her baby was due at the beginning of March.
Make new sitting placements? Seriously?! Whomever is in charge of the actual logistics might consider this a minor nuisance but stuff like this happens quite frequently for event planners.

Just because we (the general public) are aware that she won't be attending so close to the actual events doesn't mean that the SRF didn't know ahead of time.

And really...are you comparing's Ebba's pregnancy with Madeleine's? Because their pregnancies are so similar. Can you please expand on that thought please? I mean...are they carrying their babies the same, they have the same medical reports, morning sickness, etc. I would be interested to see how you can state that Madeleine should be able to partake in the activities because Ebba did. Because reporting on an event and actually going to an event are really the same thing.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:24 PM
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Make new sitting placements? Seriously?! Whomever is in charge of the actual logistics might consider this a minor nuisance but stuff like this happens quite frequently for event planners.

Just because we (the general public) are aware that she won't be attending so close to the actual events doesn't mean that the SRF didn't know ahead of time.
I agree this is a non-issue. There are professional event organisers who cope with last minute changes all the time.



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And really...are you comparing's Ebba's pregnancy with Madeleine's? Because their pregnancies are so similar. Can you please expand on that thought please? I mean...are they carrying their babies the same, they have the same medical reports, morning sickness, etc. I would be interested to see how you can state that Madeleine should be able to partake in the activities because Ebba did. Because reporting on an event and actually going to an event are really the same thing.
As mentioned in my earlier post, using the pregnancy as an excuse to not attend the Nobels is just ludicrous, IMO. If Madeleine is well enough to travel to Stockholm for her mothers birthday, in my book, she can just as well arrive a week earlier for the Nobels. There is no point comparing pregnancies, but using the pregnancy is a poor excuse. This is just handing ammunition to those who consider Madeleine to be work-shy.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:12 PM
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As mentioned in my earlier post, using the pregnancy as an excuse to not attend the Nobels is just ludicrous, IMO. If Madeleine is well enough to travel to Stockholm for her mothers birthday, in my book, she can just as well arrive a week earlier for the Nobels. There is no point comparing pregnancies, but using the pregnancy is a poor excuse. This is just handing ammunition to those who consider Madeleine to be work-shy.
There's quite a difference between attending your mother's birthday and attending the Nobel Prize ceremony...
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:17 PM
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There's quite a difference between attending your mother's birthday and attending the Nobel Prize ceremony...
Quite right. One you ought to attend because it is your duty to attend, the other is a private family occasion. If you can fly over from NYC for one, you can arrive a few days earlier for the other.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:18 PM
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I'm just curious; are there events or festivities planned for the Queen's 70th birthday that could be taxing for Madeleine as well? Although I'd think that the period between occasions would allow her to rest.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:25 PM
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Quite right. One you ought to attend because it is your duty to attend, the other is a private family occasion. If you can fly over from NYC for one, you can arrive a few days earlier for the other.
One is also more physically demanding than the other. I think this criticism is uncalled for. We have no idea whether her pregnancy has been/is difficult. I'm gonna give Madeleine the benefit of the doubt and trust that when she has made the decision not to go to the Nobels, it's not because she's being lazy but because she has judged that it will take a toll on her to do so.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:31 PM
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One is also more physically demanding than the other. I think this criticism is uncalled for. We have no idea whether her pregnancy has been/is difficult. I'm gonna give Madeleine the benefit of the doubt and trust that when she has made the decision not to go to the Nobels, it's not because she's being lazy but because she has judged that it will take a toll on her to do so.
To each his own, attending a formal dinner can surely be taxing for some.

As I stated in a previous post, Madeleine's attendance at the Nobel's really dose not mean very much. She is just a junior member of the royal family, and IMO adds nothing to the attendees. The point I took exception to was that she was using her pregnancy as an excuse for not attending, yet is willing to travel to Stockholm for her mothers birthday a few days later.
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I agree this is a non-issue. There are professional event organisers who cope with last minute changes all the time.





As mentioned in my earlier post, using the pregnancy as an excuse to not attend the Nobels is just ludicrous, IMO. If Madeleine is well enough to travel to Stockholm for her mothers birthday, in my book, she can just as well arrive a week earlier for the Nobels. There is no point comparing pregnancies, but using the pregnancy is a poor excuse. This is just handing ammunition to those who consider Madeleine to be work-shy.
It's not the travelling, it is the attending. I am assuming her mother's celebrations are private, or there is much less "public attending" involved.
Her mother probably misses her pregnant daughter, her baby, very much.
Possibly her parents have directed her attendance, we don't know.
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Spending 7 or more hours on board a flight, possibly with seatbelts required the entire way is not a good idea for a woman 7 months along. She was/is a regular smoker, at least up until the pregnancy. All of this combined puts her at risk for blood clots if she sits for extended periods of time without the ability to get up and get her blood circulating.

So she gets a pass from me until baby is born.
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Spending 7 or more hours on board a flight, possibly with seatbelts required the entire way is not a good idea for a woman 7 months along. She was/is a regular smoker, at least up until the pregnancy. All of this combined puts her at risk for blood clots if she sits for extended periods of time without the ability to get up and get her blood circulating.

So she gets a pass from me until baby is born.
Its not that Madeleine is NOT taking a flight. Its that she takes one flight anyway, but not to attend the Nobles, but to attend her mother's birthday party a week later. There wouldn't be any discussion here if M had said that she wont come to Sweden at all because she doesnt want to fly at that stage of her pregnancy. Its about not attending the biggest event of the year for the SRF but to attend a private birthday party around the same time.
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Madeleine is told to attend at the Queen's birthday celebrations:
- 18th December, reception at the Royal Palace (official event, not private)
- 19th December, concert at the Oscarsteatern (official event, lasts about 2 hours)
- 23th December, the Queen's birthday (private)

I think that all people, also the royals, have been raised to respect the hosts of the events they have confirmed to attend. Madeleine, the Princess of Sweden is one of the honour guests at the Nobel banquet. She is placed at the middle of the Table beside a Nobel Laureate. She is not just one guest at the table no 26. It is quite impolite to cancel her attendance only a couple of days before and put the hosts to think how they can reorganize the Table of Honour.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:03 PM
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Madeleine is told to attend at the Queen's birthday celebrations:
- 18th December, reception at the Royal Palace (official event, not private)
- 19th December, concert at the Oscarsteatern (official event, lasts about 2 hours)
- 23th December, the Queen's birthday (private)

I think that all people, also the royals, have been raised to respect the hosts of the events they have confirmed to attend. Madeleine, the Princess of Sweden is one of the honour guests at the Nobel banquet. She is placed at the middle of the Table beside a Nobel Laureate. She is not just one guest at the table no 26. It is quite impolite to cancel her attendance only a couple of days before and put the hosts to think how they can reorganize the Table of Honour.
I actually think you are making this sound harder for the event planners than it really is.

Madeleine is at the Table of Honour but she doesn't play a key role (unless I am missing something). Does she make any speeches, hand out any awards, etc. Or does she just sit on the stage and/or table?
If that is the case, than you remove a placesetting at the table and you take a chair off the stage.

Its an inconvenience and not a tragedy.

And according to posts you provided in the The Nobel Prize 2013, they have already reorganized the Table of Honour. And this from the planner,
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Annika Pontikis from the Nobel Foundation said to Expressen that they have various choices to update and fill up the placements at the Table of Honor:
- They can move people from other tables to the Table of Honor
- New guests from the Swedish Academy, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and The Nobel Assembly of the Karolinska Institute can be invited and placed to the Table of Honor
- They can shorten the Table, they have done it in other circumstances.
Så ska honnörsbordet fyllas på Nobelfesten Nyheter Expressen
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Wow! I'm completely shocked about what is written here. We're talking about a pregnant woman here who's due to give birth soon. Everyone who was pregnant once in her life should know how hard it is to be in the last weeks of pregnancy. Everyone of this woman know that canceling the most important event of the year is not due to being a spoiled brat. And everyone who wasn't pregnant even once in her life should stop talking here. Because you simply don't know how you can feel in that stage. One can be able to work until a few hours befor giving birth. But believe me, those woman are a few in a big pond full of pregnant woman.

I've written something a few pages back. Maybe you should take a look at that and think about it before you write things that are simply complete nonsense.
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Madeleine is told to attend at the Queen's birthday celebrations:
- 18th December, reception at the Royal Palace (official event, not private)
- 19th December, concert at the Oscarsteatern (official event, lasts about 2 hours)
- 23th December, the Queen's birthday (private)

I think that all people, also the royals, have been raised to respect the hosts of the events they have confirmed to attend. Madeleine, the Princess of Sweden is one of the honour guests at the Nobel banquet. She is placed at the middle of the Table beside a Nobel Laureate. She is not just one guest at the table no 26. It is quite impolite to cancel her attendance only a couple of days before and put the hosts to think how they can reorganize the Table of Honour.
Just a little ridiculous thought here: How hard is it to get the telephone number of Sofia Hellqvist and asking her to take Madeleines place on the table? See, problem solved.
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Good one. But many of us would prefer an empty chair for sure .

I don't see a problem for the cancellation, she must have her reasons for it, like others say: we have no clue how she feels, how tired she is etc.
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And everyone who wasn't pregnant even once in her life should stop talking here. Because you simply don't know how you can feel in that stage.
I'll stop talking about women who are pregnant when women who are pregnant stop offering opinions about women who have never been pregnant, and when people who have never had broken bones stop talking about people who have had broken bones, and when people who have never had cancer stop talking about people who have cancer, and when people who have never suffered from a psychiatric problem stop offering opinions about people who have suffered from a psychiatric problem, and when men stop offering opinions about the behaviour of women, and when women stop offering opinions about the behaviour of men, and when women who don't like wearing black talk about women who do like wearing black, and when people who don't drink alcohol stop talking about people who drink alcohol.

Etc.
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