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Old 02-03-2015, 04:04 AM
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Madeleine and Chris: Media and Public Opinion

According to Expressen "Madeleine and Chris in similar luxury watches", both Madeleine's and Chris's watches are Rolex Cosmograph Daytona, their price starts from 100000 SEK, 12000 USD.
Madeleine och Chris i likadana lyxklockor Mode Expressen
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Chris om att bli pappa igen Otrolig känsla Extra Expressen
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Old 02-03-2015, 09:26 AM
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Even their simular Rolex watches starting from 12.000 USD have been noticed. ...
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:17 AM
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Even their simular Rolex watches starting from 12.000 USD have been noticed. ...
And I think that this is exactly the problem for Chris. For someone who is a very private person, to have every single thing he does be noticed and commented on - usually negatively - this must be hell.

For myself, I absolutely dread entering a room full of people I do not know. If I were to enter a room full of people I do not know, and KNOW that they are all staring at me and/or my companion I would be paralytic. I sympathize with Chris.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:40 AM
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Being a Princess and King's daughter 's husband, He knew he lost his freedom for ever.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:01 PM
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Being a Princess and King's daughter 's husband, He knew he lost his freedom for ever.
Yeah, you'd assume he did, but to me it seems as if he didn't really know because he mainly experienced his wife in the US (up until now) and i'm sure her life there is very different than it is in Sweden.
A few short visits and holidays with the family have probably not really showed him what it is really like to be a member of a reigning royal family
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Old 02-03-2015, 02:47 PM
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Being a Princess and King's daughter 's husband, He knew he lost his freedom for ever.
I don't think he did. I think he underestimated how much people would be interested in him or the media would generate this interest. And I don't think both expected all the scrutiny & critizism. I think he honestly wanted to stay Chris O'Neill, the working banker, nobody bothering because he declined a title, only showing up at must-attend events. Of course Madde would remain a princess but apart from her work for the royal house Chris thought they could have their privacy outside Sweden. But Madde is a princess and I don't think she was finally happy in NY, far away from family & recognition, critizised all the time, she can't change who she is so it's Chris who's paying the price.
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I don't think he did. I think he underestimated how much people would be interested in him or the media would generate this interest. And I don't think both expected all the scrutiny & critizism. I think he honestly wanted to stay Chris O'Neill, the working banker, nobody bothering because he declined a title, only showing up at must-attend events. Of course Madde would remain a princess but apart from her work for the royal house Chris thought they could have their privacy outside Sweden. But Madde is a princess and I don't think she was finally happy in NY, far away from family & recognition, critizised all the time, she can't change who she is so it's Chris who's paying the price.
I think them planning to move to Europe (they haven't said Sweden, just Europe leading me to think they wont live in Sweden permanently) might be a very good compromise. She would be able to fast travel to and from Sweden and do her engagements in bunches. Like have 2 weeks "filled" with engagements and then go back or just fly there for a weekend. That way she fulfills her role as a princess but he get's the privacy of not living in our country.
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Old 02-03-2015, 03:12 PM
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Exactly. He got the beautiful princess but thier is a price to pay..
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:44 PM
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I don't think anyone fathoms what life in the spotlight it until they start living it.
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:52 PM
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I don't think anyone fathoms what life in the spotlight it until they start living it.
Quite right - and a lot of those who searched the spotlight, find it unbearable after some time; how much more difficult it must be for s.o. who didn't searched the limelight.
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Old 02-03-2015, 05:28 PM
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I think them planning to move to Europe (they haven't said Sweden, just Europe leading me to think they wont live in Sweden permanently) might be a very good compromise. She would be able to fast travel to and from Sweden and do her engagements in bunches. Like have 2 weeks "filled" with engagements and then go back or just fly there for a weekend. That way she fulfills her role as a princess but he get's the privacy of not living in our country.
Yes, a move to Europe but not Sweden sounds like an excellent compromise to me. Close enough to be able to get to Sweden and back quickly and easily, but far enough away so that Chris can live his own life and have his own identity and not be defined by his relationship to a Royal princess.
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Exactly! I agree!
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Old 02-04-2015, 01:05 AM
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Expressen has interviewed watch expert Jesper Marchesini from Nymans Ur 1851, about Madeleine's and Chris's watches.
- Madeleine and Chris have chosen two different models of Daytona. Madeleine's, I would think is from 1997 or 1998. Today she would get between 65000 and 70 000 SEK if she sold the watch. A new one costs over 100 000 SEK (12000 USD, 10600 euros). It is a rarity given that it is an older model.
Jesper Marchesini is impressed by Chris O'Neill's choice of watch:
- Oh, yes. It is a vintage model. I would think from the late 60s or early 70s. There are ten different references on the model. The cost of SEK 100 000 and up.
How much the Daytona Chris has costs?
- If it is 100 percent original and he has the original box and certificate as it stands at over 500 000 SEK (60000 USD, 53000 euros). I would guess that he might have bought it in New York, where there are several vintage dealers who specialize in Rolex.
How common is it in Sweden that couples choose the same model of a luxury watch?
- Extremely unusual. However, it is very common in Asia.
So Madeleine and Chris might start a trend?
- Yes, why not? Their watches are complementary to each other fantastically, says Marchesini.
Madeleine och Chris – kopierar varandra Mode Expressen
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I think that the media checks Chris's watches every time from now on, they will probably have more articles about luxury watches.
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Old 02-04-2015, 01:29 PM
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P4 boss's criticism - in a protest letter to the court
Princess Madeleine visited on Monday Gävle with her ​​husband Christopher O'Neill. During the visit, she refused to give the media time for interviews and questions - which got the director of the Swedish Radio P4 Gävleborg angry.
In a letter to the court, he questions the princess's behavior.
Princess's visit in Gävle on Monday began with a lunch at Gävle Castle. Princess Madeleine and her husband also visited activity center Helges and one company.
But she didn't give some interviews - this time either.
The manager and the editor P4 Gävleborg, Leif Eriksson, says that Princess Madeleine - who is also the Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland - has been never heard in the channel.
In a letter to the court Eriksson says that Princess Madeleine "systematically refuses to give the media time for interviews and questions. Journalists and photographers are herded together in pens and can possibly shout a question when the princess passes them, smiling. Of course I don't know how the princess is brought up but I am convinced that she now as 33 years old, and being a public figure all her life realizes her role in the monarchy and that having a duchy means something in the real world. To constantly avoid interviews is not in line with the Swedish democracy and really not based on what the royal family claims to be: a monarchy in time."
He appeals to the court to think again.
"Already on the next visit Princess should rethink and give time to the county's media interviews so that readers, viewers and listeners get their legitimate interests of the princess's role and views illuminated."
Eriksson also reminds that Madeleine is paid by taxpayers.
"It is now time to change this. The show in Gävle now was unworthy for a modern monarchy and a stubborn Garbo demeanor is amateurish.
It is high time that Princess Madeleine realizes her responsibility and mission during an official visit".
The whole letter is at this article.
P4-chefens kritik – i protestbrev till hovet Nyheter Expressen
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Old 02-04-2015, 01:44 PM
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I don't know how Swedish democracy works.....although I don't think it differs much from Maltese democracy or any other democracy but they should be reminded that to be forced to give interviews is also 'not in line with democracy'
Princess Madeleine is in a damned if she does damned if she doesn't situation....when she doesn't work a lot because she lives in a different continent she is criticized, now that she's back in Europe and out and about on official duties she's crisitzed....they question her income and the court declared that she's only paid when carrying out official engagements....she carried out official engagements and therefore has the right to some of the appanage like the King, Queen , Victoria, Daniel, and Carl Philip after all, but it's only her who is constantly reminded of it
The photos from her visit to Gavle show that she did interact with the people at the places she visited and journalist need to be reminded that the media does not represent the nation...there is nothing which forces any public figure to give interviews (although I think they should to improve their image) especially if they were not previously planned....if the media thinks that all of a sudden the Royal family is going to start speaking with every journalist they encounter, just because their forth coming new member does that, they should think again
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^^^Cunningly disguised insult to Sofia.
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I don't wish to go off topic, nor did I intend to disguise an insult, but it is commonly known that she does talk a lot to the media, whether one is her no 1 fan or no1 hater it is the truth, and it doesn't need to be a negative thing all I said was that if they're expecting the Royal family to be more talkative to the media just because they're newest addition does that, they'd be wrong to assume
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I don't wish to go off topic, nor did I intend to disguise an insult, but it is commonly known that she does talk a lot to the media, whether one is her no 1 fan or no1 hater it is the truth, and it doesn't need to be a negative thing all I said was that if they're expecting the Royal family to be more talkative to the media just because they're newest addition does that, they'd be wrong to assume
Imo what the media assume has nothing to do with Sofia; the monarchy in Sweden (and several other european countries) has evolved and is much more "with the people" than "above the people".
A lot of royals understand this and give the media a few harmless linies and everybody's happy.
P.Madeleine, rightly or wrongly, seems to have the name that she only wants the fun and glamorous part of being a royal and not the working and obligated part... Not talking to the media, even if we can understand that she doesn't feel like it, just confirmes this image and the SRF can't use that.

In this day and age european royals aren't worshipped anymore (at least not by people who live in a monarchy ), and the media is all part of the job these days
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Old 02-04-2015, 02:35 PM
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Well to be fair she did give a comment to svenskdam saying how fun the visit was....could be P4 is upset becaue THEY did not get an interview, again I'm not sure if they contacted the court about an interview in advanced or tried to get one on the spot....plus one must also take into consideration the time schedule if they went there using a prebooked train for example, I'm sure it's not going to wait at the station just because the princess hadnt arrived yet again we don't know every thing we're only hearing p4's version of the story

I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion.....so she didn't give a big interview in Gavle, she does regular interviews....I think it's not a matter of bringing up some thing because it's 'outrageous' but bringing up some thing because Madeleine is involved......would they really have rathered her giving an interview about the place over her actually visiting it?
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Old 02-04-2015, 02:39 PM
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Well to be fair she did give a comment to svenskdam saying how fun the visit was....could be P4 is upset becaue THEY did not get an interview, again I'm not sure if they contacted the court about an interview in advanced or tried to get one on the spot....plus one must also take into consideration the time schedule if they went there using a prebooked train for example, I'm sure it's not going to wait at the station just because the princess hadnt arrived yet again we don't know every thing we're only hearing p4's version of the story
I think that the reporter of Svensk Damtidning shouted them a question and they answered. That is not an interview.

Leif Eriksson in Dagens Nyheter
- We don't have a single audio clip with the princess in our archive and it was now at the current visit as it always is usually said - the program is full, says Leif Eriksson.
But why is it so important that the princess is heard in SR Gävleborg?
- When she was born, she got Hälsingland and Gastrikland as duchies from her father and in addition, the court gets tax money to their business, says Eriksson.
He also adds that interest in the royal family is particularly big in the area given that Prince Daniel comes from the county.
Have you had any contact with the court after you wrote the letter?
- No, but I have asked the director of the press department, Margareta Thorgren to answer and I hope she does.
Margareta Thorgren examined during the day how the court should respond to the letter.
- I wish to return with an answer later, she says.
Radiochef attackerar prinsessan Madeleine - DN.SE
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At SVT culture news
"Criticism to Madeleine: "She behaves like Garbo"
Kritiken mot Madeleine ”Hon beter sig som Garbo” - Kultur SVT.se
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The original open letter at the website of Sveriges Radio P4 Gävleborg
Öppet brev till hovet - P4 Gävleborg Sveriges Radio
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This seems to be a big crisis for the court. I have been waiting the court to update photos of today's events (the funeral, Victoria's and Daniel's meeting with Anna Felländer and Daniel's meeting with the representatives of the Swedish Sports Confederation) to their website but obviously the people at the press department are concentrating on this.
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