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Old 10-15-2015, 01:53 PM
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Carl Philip hasn't worked this year so far so much more than last year, maybe 5 work days more. But when Carl Philip worked alone, there was perhaps 1-2 reporters from the local media (not always even that), and 1-2 photographers (not always even that, just the court staff took photos). But now when he is working with Sofia, there are always many photographers and reporters from the national media and even abroad. On their visit to Värmland in the end of August there were 70 representatives from media, even many royal photographers from Europe. On their visit to Dalarna there was about 30 representatives from media, even a couple royal photographers from Europe. There is a lot of photos and lots of news articles, so it seems like they are working very much. Perhaps only the new year begins, we will see how much Carl Philip and Sofia work. And in 2014 Carl Philip was about 15 days at the Northern Coasts -military exercise, which were at the court calendar. So he was at work, although not seen so much, only at the press day.
So the difference between Carl Philip working alone and now with Sofia isn't in working load big, but now Carl Philip gets a lot of media coverage and it looks like he is working much more.
In September Carl Philip and Sofia had according to the court calendar both 7 work events (three of them at the Opening of the Parliament).

I've always had the impression that CP didn't work so much before the wedding, but maybe you're right and it is the press that spins it now with Sofia. Truth is that if Madeleine would work "more" there wouldn't be a big difference IMO.
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Old 10-15-2015, 01:53 PM
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Although the press wanted to write much about Daniel's paternity leave, he held it a week or two now and then. He had work events every month after Estelle was born in 2012. And in every month in 2013.
Hmm... I thought he did as Victoria did. She took her time to recuperate after the birth but when she got back she went down to a "part time" schedule, wich was her version of maternity leave. And when Daniel "took over" he did the same. Not full time paternal leave, but a paternal part time :P
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Old 10-15-2015, 01:57 PM
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If Princess Leonore and Prince Nicolas lose their succession rights, will they also lose their titles?
Carl Gustaf's uncles lost their princely titles when they were removed from the line of succession. If the precedent holds, then I suppose the same will happen to Leonore and Nicholas.

It is worth noting though that, in Belgium for example, Prince Amedeo was removed from the line of succession, but is still an HRH. The difference is that, in Belgium, there is a royal decree issued by King Baudouin and still in force today saying that all descendants of King Albert II are automatically princes of Belgium irrespective of succession rights.

In Sweden, on the other hand, as far as I understand, there is no legal instrument that actually regulates the titles of members of the Royal Family, although the Act of Succession seems to assume implicitly that all persons in the line of succession to the throne are princes (or princesses) of Sweden. For example, the Act of Succession only mentions conditions under which "a prince or princess of the Royal House" would lose his/her eligibility to ascend the throne and says nothing about how someone else who is in the line to the throne, but is not a prince/princess, would forefeit his/her succession rights.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:09 PM
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Hmm... I thought he did as Victoria did. She took her time to recuperate after the birth but when she got back she went down to a "part time" schedule, wich was her version of maternity leave. And when Daniel "took over" he did the same. Not full time paternal leave, but a paternal part time :P

Another angle on their parental leave is that they never applied for any parental benefits during the leave. Yet another angle on the angle of their parental leave is that Victoria isn't entitled to any parental benefits on account of the appanage not being considered a salary.


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Old 10-15-2015, 02:16 PM
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Hmm... I thought he did as Victoria did. She took her time to recuperate after the birth but when she got back she went down to a "part time" schedule, wich was her version of maternity leave. And when Daniel "took over" he did the same. Not full time paternal leave, but a paternal part time :P
Yes, but the press gave the impression like Daniel would have been months an a paternity leave and then again started working, although everyone could see from the court website, that he was working every month.

Victoria had little over 70 work events after Estelle was born in 2012, I counted them hastily from the Annual report.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:20 PM
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Being in the line of succession and being given HKH and prince/princess titles and dukedoms are different things. For me the debate is not around being in the line of succession, rather it is around the titles and dukedoms and the pomp and circumstances that go with it. If Madeleine and Chris have strong feelings that their children should have royal titles and stylings, more power to them, but they are very naive if they think that eyebrows are not going to be raised over that choice.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:32 PM
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Being in the line of succession and being given HKH and prince/princess titles and dukedoms are different things. For me the debate is not around being in the line of succession, rather it is around the titles and dukedoms and the pomp and circumstances that go with it. If Madeleine and Chris have strong feelings that their children should have royal titles and stylings, more power to them, but they are very naive if they think that eyebrows are not going to be raised over that choice.

You're right in it being different things though it's new for Sweden. It's never happened before that someone who lost their place in the Line of Succession kept their titles and remained part of the Royal house so we'll just have to wait and see what happens.


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Old 10-15-2015, 03:00 PM
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Being in the line of succession and being given HKH and prince/princess titles and dukedoms are different things. For me the debate is not around being in the line of succession, rather it is around the titles and dukedoms and the pomp and circumstances that go with it. If Madeleine and Chris have strong feelings that their children should have royal titles and stylings, more power to them, but they are very naive if they think that eyebrows are not going to be raised over that choice.
Again, you are right that, in most countries, being an HRH and being in the line of succession are two different things. In Sweden, that is unclear though. There is at least one example of a Swedish HRH who is not (and never was) in the line of succession, namely princess Birgitta. But, on the other hand, there are also two recent examples of HRHs (Sigvard and Carl Johann Bernadotte) who ceased to be princes when they lost their succession rights.

As far as I know, Sigvard Bernadotte later petioned for restoration of a princely title in Sweden without being reinstated though to the line of sucsession , but King Carl Gustaf never accepted his request.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:19 PM
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Again, you are right that, in most countries, being an HRH and being in the line of succession are two different things. In Sweden, that is unclear though. There is at least one example of a Swedish HRH who is not (and never was) in the line of succession, namely princess Birgitta. But, on the other hand, there are also two recent examples of HRHs (Sigvard and Carl Johann Bernadotte) who ceased to be princes when they lost their succession rights.

As far as I know, Sigvard Bernadotte later petioned for restoration of a princely title in Sweden without being reinstated though to the line of sucsession , but King Carl Gustaf never accepted his request.

Princess Birgitta was never in the Line of succession but she was, and still is, a member of the Royal house according to the rules of the day.

IIRC both Sigvard and Lennart applied to be reinstated in their titles after Bertil married and got to keep his title. The King denied their application and while Lennart accepted that Sigvard eventually unilaterally decided to take his title back.
Carl Johan never bothered to apply because in the words of his wife Kerstin "There's no use in crying over spilled milk especially if you spilled it yourself".


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Old 10-15-2015, 05:00 PM
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Where can I find a thread concerning the fact that Madeleine gave her children titles instead of naming them Miss or Master O´Neill? Is there one? After they fall down in the line of succession deeper and deeper what is the sense of giving them a title?
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:05 PM
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Where can I find a thread concerning the fact that Madeleine gave her children titles instead of naming them Miss or Master O´Neill? Is there one? After they fall down in the line of succession deeper and deeper what is the sense of giving them a title?


The same could be said for other european royals who are further down the line of succession and still have titles. They are fully entitled to have titles! But they'll eventually lose them if both children won't growp up and attend school in Sweden
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Old 10-16-2015, 02:39 AM
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Where can I find a thread concerning the fact that Madeleine gave her children titles instead of naming them Miss or Master O´Neill? Is there one? After they fall down in the line of succession deeper and deeper what is the sense of giving them a title?
It was reported in the media, when Chris registered Nicolas' birth the day after his birth, he registered P Nicolas' surname as "Bernadotte" and not "O'Neill." I assume he did the same for P Lenore. I do not know his reasoning for that, but I assume he did it because he wants what he believes will be the best for those two babies. He wants them to have the best of everything in life. I will try to locate and post the source of the info in my 1st sentence.
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I thought CG's two uncles lost their titles for marrying without the king's (CG's grandfather) blessing/permission. It was not because they moved further down the line of succession. This why Bertil and Lilian waited to marry until King Gustav - Adolph passed away. B and L had lived together for 20+ years before they wed.
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The same could be said for other european royals who are further down the line of succession and still have titles. They are fully entitled to have titles! But they'll eventually lose them if both children won't growp up and attend school in Sweden
Maybe. As Mbruno wrote above, there is no legal instrument regulating the titles of the royal family, which leaves them to the sovereign's own whims. The current king might be less unsparing than his great-grandfather Gustaf V, who disapproved of his grandsons choosing to marry unequally and lose their succession rights.
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:26 AM
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After the christening, Chris took a taxi and left with HIS family, without Madeleine, to have a few glasses of wine. He spent the whole evening with his mother Eva O'Neill and sisters and brother in law Henry.

History repeats itself. When Princess Leonore, 1, for example, was baptized last summer, the entire royal family gathered for a private party. But without Chris, who went to the the same exclusive tavern Sturehof in central Stockholm to drink on his own.

Chris' love of tavern life and his way of leaving his lovely family is now being questioned by people familiar with the royal family.
- It feels weird. One wonders why Chris did not want to be with his fine family? Why is not he with Madde. How can Stureplan attract more? The behavior has led to Madeleine now feel more and more despondent.
- Madeleine complains about Chris' disrespect. He does his own thing. It is not at all good. It remains to be seen how Madeleine tackle the longer term, says a source.

Chris övergav gråtande Madeleine | Stoppa Pressarna – Kungligheter – Kungafamiljen – Svensk Damtidning – Prinsessan Madeleine – Kronprinsessan Victoria

German print tabloid Die Aktuelle picks up on the story on their front page: 'drama after the christening'.
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:30 AM
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After the christening, Chris took a taxi and left with HIS family, without Madeleine, to have a few glasses of wine. He spent the whole evening with his mother Eva O'Neill and sisters and brother in law Henry.

History repeats itself. When Princess Leonore, 1, for example, was baptized last summer, the entire royal family gathered for a private party. But without Chris, who went to the the same exclusive tavern Sturehof in central Stockholm to drink on his own.

Chris' love of tavern life and his way of leaving his lovely family is now being questioned by people familiar with the royal family.
- It feels weird. One wonders why Chris did not want to be with his fine family? Why is not he with Madde. How can Stureplan attract more? The behavior has led to Madeleine now feel more and more despondent.
- Madeleine complains about Chris' disrespect. He does his own thing. It is not at all good. It remains to be seen how Madeleine tackle the longer term, says a source.

Chris övergav gråtande Madeleine | Stoppa Pressarna – Kungligheter – Kungafamiljen – Svensk Damtidning – Prinsessan Madeleine – Kronprinsessan Victoria
The story is from gossip magazine Hänt Extra, Stoppa pressarna quotes it.
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:35 AM
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Hmm, so after having spend time with his Swedish in-laws, he spend some time with his own family?
Is that the story or have I misunderstood something?
Isn't that a reasonable thing to do?
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:04 AM
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Soo much negative for Madeleine. It is sad. I do not know who to fault perhaps negative sells more but surely and Mandeleine did the best moves communications. I really hope the best for her.
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Old 10-21-2015, 07:29 AM
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I can see why Madeleine and Chris moved to London. The cheap shots from the media
are just ridiculous. @eya - scandal sells.

@Lady Finn - I did not know CP hardly had any press coverage for his engagements pre - marriage, and now he's swamped with media when he's with Sofia. I think the up-tick in coverage is due to Sofia is the reality show star that married into a royal house and she's compared to Kate. Those story angles sell newspapers.

The line of succession issue may be re-defined by the Riksdag again. It was the Riksdag who removed CP as heir apparent and elevated Victoria to be crown princess in 1979. It may clarify who is classified as a successor to the throne. It may also redefine who is the Royal Family.
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I can see why Madeleine and Chris moved to London. The cheap shots from the media
are just ridiculous. @eya - scandal sells.
The article may be cheap, but Madeleine doesn't give any material to positive articles, well, the christening of Nicolas was positive.
She doesn't let the press close to her, doesn't let them see her at work, working for Sweden. At their visit to Peru and Colombia Victoria and Daniel let the press very close to them, talk to them. Meet them early in the morning in front of the hotel and look like they like to meet the press and they like to represent Sweden.
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https://instagram.com/p/9Dy55vRSSt/?...ressenkungligt
The reporters are a meter away of Victoria and Daniel in their trip in many places. They have seen in H&M how Daniel thinks if he would buy a cushion to home at Haga and Victoria looks clothes, or how Victoria and Daniel have been touched to meet the children with cancer. They have talked with Victoria and Daniel.
The same happened with Carl Philip and Sofia in Värmland and Dalarna. But with Madeleine that is not possible.
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