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I agree. And I've been in church milues alot (albeit not in the Lutheran Church) and I've never heard of it. :P
In Catholic and Church of England (Episcopal in the US) one genuflect or bow for the Blessed Sacrament or the altar. A lamp will be lit if the Blessed Sacrament is present. In other denominations it is often a sign of respect to bow at the altar. Unfortunately many of the traditions have been forgotten or ignored. One should perhaps look at entering the church with more reverence than entering a restaurant.
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Aftonbladet's political columnist and deputy publisher Lena Mellin today at her column:

Madeleine wants to eat her cake - without to do her job
Mellin writes that Madeleine wants both to have her cake and eat it. She wants to continue as a princess. But not to do the job. Madeleine emigrated to USA and since then has not played a prominent role in the royal family's official program. And now she emigrated to UK.
Two years ago, she skipped even the Nobel festivities. Only one work event is planned at her calendar, the christening of her son. It doesn't need to be anything wrong with it. You must not be a princess if you don't want it. One can simply pull back and call herself a Bernadotte. But the princess appears to both like to be a princess - and not to do the work. She participates in the royal family's official parties, birthdays, christenings and weddings and spends part of the summer in Solliden. But much more there isn't.
However, Madeleine's children are included in the order of succession. Mellin writes that this is after a new interpretation of the order of succession. It tells not only that the princes and princesses should be brought up in "the pure evengelic doctrine" but also should be raised "within the realm". Growing up in London, as the children obviously will do, is definitely not within the realm. That is abroad.
Mellin says that when Leonore was born the Marshal of the Realm Svante Lindqvist announced that she could stay in USA until she filled six years, he interpreted the order of succession so. Then she should go to Swedish school, take Swedish graduation and speak perfect Swedish to stay in the succession. But did the Marshal mean that the school should be in Sweden? It can be believed because he ruled that to stay in US was okay to six years of age. But really sure you can't be. There is a Swedish school in London, from kindergarten to high school. If the Marshal didn't mean that the school must absolutely be on Swedish soil can both Nicolas and Leonore keep their places in the line of succession, although they live in the UK. The condition is that they go to swedish schools and speak perfect swedish.
Mellin writes that at the beginning of the week Carl Philip and Sofia were in Dalarna. During the first day they visited a refuree reception center, manufacturers of lockers, bread and red paint, and Falun Copper Mine. That doesn't sound fun, but when you are a prince couple, it comes with obligations.
The King's sisters withdrew from the public eye when they got married. Then it was male succession. They lost their princess titles and are called such as Princess Margaretha, Mrs. Ambler. Members of the royal family, but not of the royal house.
Chris O'Neill was offered to be a prince but he declined. But his wife is a princess and his two children a prince and princess and moreover potential successors.
Mellin thinks it is somewhat ambiguous about the whole thing. Just like having your cake while eating it.
Madeleine vill äta kakan - utan att göra sitt jobb _ Lena Mellin _ Kolumnister _ Nyheter _ Aftonbladet
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Lena Mellin on her soapbox again. Madeleine is born a princess and will forever be a princess. It is not a job to which one applies and hold the title to until one leaves. Whether she carries out royal engagements in the future we will just have to wait. She so far has two very young children and I certainly hope she will spend all her time caring for them while they are small. It is absolutely proper that the Kings grandchildren have the titles Prince/Princess. Chris O'Neill's lack of prince title is also proper as he has chosen to continue to work in his chosen field. I doubt if the King lives long enough to have great grandchildren that they will have the Prince/Princess title. Once the King's children have had their own offspring there will not be any more Prince/Princesses until the then Queen Victoria has her own grandchildren and sons/daughters-in-laws and we will just have to wait and see what she does with titles then.
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Old 10-11-2015, 11:03 PM
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I am appalled that a tacky article about Madeleine on the day of her sons christening, was posted here. Give them a break, at least for today. We know the answer to the media question, they are trying to stir up a tempest that some mortals will fall for.
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Madeline and her children won't get close to the throne unless there is a great disaster of some kind. I really hope her parents have advised her to build a life for herself.
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:04 AM
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Madeline and her children won't get close to the throne unless there is a great disaster of some kind. I really hope her parents have advised her to build a life for herself.
I think that's what she's doing in England.
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:56 AM
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I am appalled that a tacky article about Madeleine on the day of her sons christening, was posted here. Give them a break, at least for today. We know the answer to the media question, they are trying to stir up a tempest that some mortals will fall for.

As tacky as it is to publish such an article today, at the same time this is the impression many do have of Madeleine : That she wants all the glamour events w/out having to do anything....mundane or regular Royal work for lack of better terms to "earn" being at the big glamour events. Just as the issues regarding the Children and their Succession Rights are legitimate. Does going to a Swedish School and learning to speak fluent Swedish cover the requirements for them to remain HRHs or do they have to return to Sweden as has been thought to need to happen?

As has been said, part of the problem is how unbelievably inept the SRF PR Dept is when it comes to Madeleine and Chris. However, they don't seem to help their cause either when it comes to how the Public perceives them. It really is just sad all around, but I truly believe just giving the odd interview to the Press about what she does for Childhood or her Duchy behind the scenes, would make the World of Difference perception wise for Madeleine. JMO of course, but I do believe it would help.

As for the article being posted here on the site...This is the Madeleine and Chris Press Negativity thread, so this is where it belongs on here. Having said that, there wouldn't be a need for such a thread, if there wasn't a reason for it. Sadly, there is a very big problem when it comes to this Couple/Madeleine and Public Perception, which the Press picks up on and in turn...




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Old 10-12-2015, 02:34 AM
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:34 AM
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Unfortunately I think that Melins article was spot on. It reflects the public image - and in part my own image - of Madeleine and her family. They have a very problematic PR-situation. I think that they need to let people know what their intentions are. If Madeleine is creating a life for herself and her family in the UK, that's just fine. Let us know when she's supposed to turn up (and not turn up). And give an interveiw or two. I don't think it's too much to ask.
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:58 AM
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I've been thinking about it lately, and my conclusion is that Madde and Chris don't know what to do... It's all speculation on my part, mind you, but I think that Chris sort of expected that Madeleine would renounce her princess's like once they got married. I think the couple hadn't talked about what their future would entail... and now with a family that formed very quickly they are more confused than ever...
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I've been thinking about it lately, and my conclusion is that Madde and Chris don't know what to do... It's all speculation on my part, mind you, but I think that Chris sort of expected that Madeleine would renounce her princess's like once they got married. I think the couple hadn't talked about what their future would entail... and now with a family that formed very quickly they are more confused than ever...
I appreciate your view-point but I honestly think that both Chris and Madde knows exactly what they want to do and are doing it. Plus, I believe that both of Madde's parents approve. I strongly believe that Madde and Chris will do what they want when they want and enjoy their life their way. They don't feel they have to tell anyone their intensions and won't, if they don't want to and probably get a kick out of people complaining about it. They will do only exactly want the king wants [public christening] but I don't believe he will even push them too far. More over, I truly believe that Victoria and Daniel both approve and love them for their independence. Not all people, no matter what their station in life, must be pushed into a certain "box" that allows others to think they should be able to dictate their lives due to tradition. I believe Prince Harry will follow a similar modern road when he marries. Plus I certainly can see Denmark's oldest daughter being independent in her late teens.

As long as a country's taxes are not paying 100% for life style, they will do what they want. I am sure that the king and queen knows everything [and maybe Victoria] and all approve and condone. They also probably feel that it is no one else's business how they run their lives. The world is changing and so are the royals. Some changes are wonderful, some, who knows. JMO
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:17 AM
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I appreciate your view-point but I honestly think that both Chris and Madde knows exactly what they want to do and are doing it. Plus, I believe that both of Madde's parents approve. I strongly believe that Madde and Chris will do what they want when they want and enjoy their life their way. They don't feel they have to tell anyone their intensions and won't, if they don't want to and probably get a kick out of people complaining about it. They will do only exactly want the king wants [public christening] but I don't believe he will even push them too far. More over, I truly believe that Victoria and Daniel both approve and love them for their independence. Not all people, no matter what their station in life, must be pushed into a certain "box" that allows others to think they should be able to dictate their lives due to tradition. I believe Prince Harry will follow a similar modern road when he marries. Plus I certainly can see Denmark's oldest daughter being independent in her late teens.

As long as a country's taxes are not paying 100% for life style, they will do what they want. I am sure that the king and queen knows everything [and maybe Victoria] and all approve and condone. They also probably feel that it is no one else's business how they run their lives. The world is changing and so are the royals. Some changes are wonderful, some, who knows. JMO
I just think that had the family lived in Stockholm, it would much be better... Madeleine could do some engagements ( not many as Sofia has taken over her now, and she is a minor royal) and she would have the life that she wants: glam, few duties and society with upperclass friends, as well as support for her and her children, with her family closed to her. I have long suspected now that Chris wouldn't even make an effort and try to fit in Stockholm. I know it is hard for the language, his business, his lifestyle and all, but at least he could try. Besides, not much would be requested from him in terms of public appeareances.
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:51 AM
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They are doing things their way. Maybe in a few years will move to Sweden.
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Old 10-12-2015, 11:49 AM
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Why should Chris change his whole life for Maddie marrying her was a big change in it self. He has a career and it means he needs to be in London. I think Maddie is a wife and mother first and she is doing what she feels is best for her husband and children and their life together.

She simply needs to decide what royal engagements she will do and when and do them.

I also believe Chris and Maddie talked about their future well in advance of the wedding. They know what they are doing and how they want their lives.
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I just think that had the family lived in Stockholm, it would much be better... Madeleine could do some engagements ( not many as Sofia has taken over her now, and she is a minor royal) and she would have the life that she wants: glam, few duties and society with upperclass friends, as well as support for her and her children, with her family closed to her. I have long suspected now that Chris wouldn't even make an effort and try to fit in Stockholm. I know it is hard for the language, his business, his lifestyle and all, but at least he could try. Besides, not much would be requested from him in terms of public appeareances.

In Sweden the royal house is to small to differentiate between minor royals, full time royals etc... like they do in the UK. If we did do so Sofia wouldn't be considered a minor royal at all - the amount of engagements she's had since coming back from her honeymoon shows, to me, that she's being groomed for a very central role in the royal family like the one that ,for instance, Sophie of Wessex has in the House of Windsor.
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As has been said, part of the problem is how unbelievably inept the SRF PR Dept is when it comes to Madeleine and Chris. However, they don't seem to help their cause either when it comes to how the Public perceives them. It really is just sad all around, but I truly believe just giving the odd interview to the Press about what she does for Childhood or her Duchy behind the scenes, would make the World of Difference perception wise for Madeleine. JMO of course, but I do believe it would help.

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I agree with you. The SRF has a very inept PR department to be putting it mildly. And I also agree that Madeleine and Chris and not helping themselves on bit. IMO, the family and PR department treat Madeleine with kid gloves, kind of like they don't want to rock the boat. It seems a very complicated situation.
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Why should Chris change his whole life for Maddie marrying her was a big change in it self. He has a career and it means he needs to be in London. I think Maddie is a wife and mother first and she is doing what she feels is best for her husband and children and their life together.

She simply needs to decide what royal engagements she will do and when and do them.

I also believe Chris and Maddie talked about their future well in advance of the wedding. They know what they are doing and how they want their lives.
Great post. Totally agree with you.
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Of course Madeleine and Chris should be able to live their lives their way but they are not living completely private lives and because of that they are subjecting themselves to significant scrutiny and judgement by the media and public.

Madeleine was born a princess and HRH, I can see Madeleine being able to have her cake and eat it too when it comes to not living in Sweden but keeping her HRH status, princess title and only doing a few engagements, however it may be a bit much to have a big, fat Swedish wedding, grand christenings for her children, princess/prince titles and HRH status for her children and all the while living outside of Sweden. If Madeleine wants to maintain her royal goodies and have royal goodies conferred on her children then more power to her, but with that comes controversy and vocal detractors. I don't think that there is a right or wrong answer, and there are plenty of people who are totally fine with Madeleine and Chris' choices, but at the same time there are those who think that Madeleine is taking much more than she is giving and are making that known.
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In Sweden the royal house is to small to differentiate between minor royals, full time royals etc... like they do in the UK. If we did do so Sofia wouldn't be considered a minor royal at all - the amount of engagements she's had since coming back from her honeymoon shows, to me, that she's being groomed for a very central role in the royal family like the one that ,for instance, Sophie of Wessex has in the House of Windsor.
What I meant is that with the marriage of Carl Philip, Madeleine would be even more limited in her engagements, since her brother and his wife have a more prominent role and they have de facto, taken over as a helping couple to the crown princess and her husband. Madeleine wouldn't be really much "needed" now. (In terms of duties of course.)
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There is no reason why Madeleine couldn't have as prominent role in royal work duties in Sweden as Carl Philip and Sofia, if Madeleine would live in Sweden and be interested in working as much as Carl Philip and Sofia.
In 2014 the royal family got 1641 invitations and request to attend events, and they attended at 877 events. Of course all the events aren't such that the king finds them appropriate a member of the royal family to attend, but there would be work to do for Madeleine too.
Of course one must think about the apanage, but the events in Stockholm/near it wouldn't be very expensive and now when Madeleine lives in London, her travel costs are obviously paid from the apanage.
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I just think that had the family lived in Stockholm, it would much be better... Madeleine could do some engagements ( not many as Sofia has taken over her now, and she is a minor royal) and she would have the life that she wants: glam, few duties and society with upperclass friends, as well as support for her and her children, with her family closed to her. I have long suspected now that Chris wouldn't even make an effort and try to fit in Stockholm. I know it is hard for the language, his business, his lifestyle and all, but at least he could try. Besides, not much would be requested from him in terms of public appeareances.
Sofia is not a "minor royal". Even if CP falls next year to 4th in line to the throne, he's still the most likely regent of Sweden in the unlikely event that Estelle ascends the throne while still being a minor.

As for Madeleine, I think the situation is a little bit more complicated than being independent or building a life for herself. As the article said, she still attends the glamour events of the Swediish monarchy like weddings, baptisms, the Nobel ceremony and gala, or the state opening of parliament. But she doesn't do the "bread and butter" work of an HRH like visiting copper mines or locker factories as her siblings and siblings-in-law do. That looks bad on her.
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