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Old 06-08-2015, 05:00 AM
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He's an uber privileged investment banker, let's not go making him a Man Of The People.

I don't know if this is a symptom that something is wrong with them privately, but I do think they need to get it together on messaging and PR, especially if they intend to again take a royal title for their next child who will be born soon.

Missing royal family events is well and good if they intend to live privately, but if they want to raise their children as Swedish princesses/princes then probably they should get it together and have him there for any occasion when the whole family appears together.

Madeleine could do other engagements by herself, but it's bad optics not to have him there when the rest of the family is present in a public capacity- especially if they intend to have another child christened as a Prince/princess in a few months. The mixed messaging is what opens them up to criticism.


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I am not sure I agree. Chris is a private individual, and time permitting, carries out some engagements in support of his wife, or his wife's family. IMO, he can come and go as he pleases. He is usually present for the key "family" events, though rarely for the state events. This is probably the right mix. The press will eventually get used to it.
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Old 06-08-2015, 05:38 AM
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He's an uber privileged investment banker, let's not go making him a Man Of The People.

I don't know if this is a symptom that something is wrong with them privately, but I do think they need to get it together on messaging and PR, especially if they intend to again take a royal title for their next child who will be born soon.

Missing royal family events is well and good if they intend to live privately, but if they want to raise their children as Swedish princesses/princes then probably they should get it together and have him there for any occasion when the whole family appears together.

Madeleine could do other engagements by herself, but it's bad optics not to have him there when the rest of the family is present in a public capacity- especially if they intend to have another child christened as a Prince/princess in a few months. The mixed messaging is what opens them up to criticism.


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I agree.

He did marry a princess, who has at least a semi-active role within the SRF.
And even though Chris O'Neil has opted not to become a member of the SRF with all that entails, there are times when it is "good form" to show up at the side of your royal spouse. Sorry, Chris, that part of the game.
Even though he can he forgiven for occasionally not showing up at high profile events, (the National Day and the Nobel Prize ceremony being two of the most obvious) he shouldn't make a habit of it.
Otherwise he can IMO and justifiable so, be blamed for indifference and lack of respect for his wife's status, the SRF and ultimately Sweden.

Just as Madeleine doesn't seem to have realized that her dynasty continues with the O'Neil line, Chris doesn't seem to have realized that he married a princess and that means he is part of the royal show to some extent, whether he likes it or not.
And that is IMO the core of the criticism they are getting. They are in a kind of "status-limbo".
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Old 06-08-2015, 11:05 AM
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Goodness there is a lot of bad will for this couple.
It's like a lot of people are willing a marriage breakdown. I wonder if the person on the street is feeling this way


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Your comment is well said, I was pretty much thinking the same thing myself. Plus it is only Madeleine and Chris's business as to why he did not attend.
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Old 06-08-2015, 11:57 AM
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Just because he's rich doesn't mean he doesn't work hard...and I have gotten the impression he is not a trust fund baby...he has to work.

I don't know why anyone would think there is anything wrong with them privately. He's not a royal, he didn't take the titles, he doesn't have to attend all the events. He's not paid by the SRF from what I understand.

There's no reason why it should look bad because she's there sans husband....Sweden is supposed to be a progressive country, feminism and everything equal etc etc. Seems rather contrary for them to then turn around and think something of it because she's not got her husband with her while she's at these events.
Believe me, when a person owns his own company, he is a very hard worker and it is not a 9 to 5 job. My first husband was even on phone with company business at home into the small hours of the night. Everything is on their backs even if competent employees are hired. I am also quite sure that he is not a poor man [can't picture daddy permitting] which is even a greater stress on owner.

A far as his own time, that is between he and his wife. If he wants to join a family do, fine, if not and wife ok with that, it is absolutely no one else's business. No one is paying him a "salary" to do otherwise. People who think they have the right to even criticize this procedure really have a problem, especially if they are not from that country. It would be like me constantly finding fault with Andy and Fergie living together. Being divorced for years it looks pathetic. Not my business, not my country and not my family even though media constantly finds it demeaning and absurd. We should all really step back and look at our voiced opinions on someone else life. Does it actually change our own life or do we just like to find fault with someone else all the time because we [for whatever reason] don't like or are jealous of their upper-class position. I for one fell into the first area of jealousy in my early 20s. Thank God that passed but I do remember. It was rather ignorant of me.
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Old 06-08-2015, 12:27 PM
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I don't think anyone thinks he shouldn't work or live privately if that's what he wants, but they just can't have it both ways. If Madeleine is to remain a working member of the Swedish Royal family and receive an allowance and bring their children up as Swedish princesses/princes, then the family should live in Sweden and he should attend the big events.

If they want to live privately in London, then they should be raising their kids as O'Neills and Madeleine should give up her allowance and only appear at the big royal events. But they should present a unified front, rather than Chris trying to live as a private citizen while his wife and children live as royalty.


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Old 06-08-2015, 12:38 PM
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I am not sure I agree. Chris is a private individual, and time permitting, carries out some engagements in support of his wife, or his wife's family. IMO, he can come and go as he pleases. He is usually present for the key "family" events, though rarely for the state events. This is probably the right mix. The press will eventually get used to it.
This. Since he is not receiving money from the King or the taxpayer, I see no reason why he has to attend every event and I even think he can pick and choose.

As for the fact that his children are titled, I strongly suspect that is something his wife and his father-in-law insisted upon. I think given a choice Chris would not have wanted titles for his children any more than he wanted one for himself.

I think he should be left alone. The resentment(and perhaps envy?) of this guy by the Swedish press because he refuses to kowtow to them is simply amazing.
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Old 06-08-2015, 12:45 PM
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I don't think anyone thinks he shouldn't work or live privately if that's what he wants, but they just can't have it both ways. If Madeleine is to remain a working member of the Swedish Royal family and receive an allowance and bring their children up as Swedish princesses/princes, then the family should live in Sweden and he should attend the big events.

If they want to live privately in London, then they should be raising their kids as O'Neills and Madeleine should give up her allowance and only appear at the big royal events. But they should present a unified front, rather than Chris trying to live as a private citizen while his wife and children live as royalty.


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Madeleine is royal, Chris is not. Madeleine can (and should) keep up with regular engagements in Sweden, and live there a part of the time. Chris is a private individual, and did not accept a title, as he did not want to pursue a royal career. IMO, he is free to pursue his own commercial interests, and does not need to appear at state events. Clearly, he should, and does, attend key family events. I think it is important the distinction between the roles of Madeleine and Chris is understood. Once they are established in London, I am sure these things will become clearer and accepted by all.
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Old 06-08-2015, 12:46 PM
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As for the fact that his children are titled, I strongly suspect that is something his wife and his father-in-law insisted upon. I think given a choice Chris would not have wanted titles for his children any more than he wanted one for himself.

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I think you're probably right about that and I think that's why it all strikes some people as problematic: he and Madeleine seem to want two totally different lives. I have no doubt that they love each other but what she wants for herself and her children and the kind of life he seems to want for himself and his family don't go together very well.

So people wondering how it will go long term, like myself, are wondering how they're going to reconcile that. Because it's probably not going to get any easier.


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Old 06-08-2015, 01:04 PM
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I don't think anyone thinks he shouldn't work or live privately if that's what he wants, but they just can't have it both ways.
Why can't they have it both ways. If the King is fine with the situation, who are we to object? Who made these rules that people can't live the way they want? We have no authority to tell someone how to run their country and their lives. Would it have been better for them to fall in love but not marry? She could have then turned into a Princess Margaret of UK, never really happy in personal life. If the king wants his grandchildren to have a title, then so be it, no matter who the father is or what he does for a living. It is not as if he and his family live on government hand-outs. He takes no money, she is a trust fund child. Know many. They are good people. People should be able to have it all ways as long as no laws are broken and no other people are physically harmed.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:08 PM
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Why can't they have it both ways. If the King is fine with the situation, who are we to object? Who made these rules that people can't live the way they want? We have no authority to tell someone how to run their country and their lives. Would it have been better for them to fall in love but not marry? She could have then turned into a Princess Margaret of UK, never really happy in personal life. If the king wants his grandchildren to have a title, then so be it, no matter who the father is or what he does for a living. It is not as if he and his family live on government hand-outs. He takes no money, she is a trust fund child. Know many. They are good people. People should be able to have it all ways as long as no laws are broken and no other people are physically harmed.

If the people of Sweden have no objection, they can live how they'd like, but I think they're going to continue to generate a lot of negative press and be very unpopular because of it.


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Old 06-08-2015, 01:24 PM
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If the people of Sweden have no objection, they can live how they'd like, but I think they're going to continue to generate a lot of negative press and be very unpopular because of it
And that might very well be......but once again it is the media that stirs the pot to cause a bit of trouble [they have nothing better to do]. All media tries to tell people what they should think. Our American one is the worse. They tell us who to vote for and why. What shows are best, etc. Most have it 75% wrong and it shows. Our own fault for following like sheep. I would just once like to see a sitting monarch take a firm public stand for his family instead of being another king JC and let the media belittle his relative by marriage. Why are these men wimps?
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:28 PM
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I think someone on here from Sweden said the people don't rally care about Chris. I think they will continue to live their lives as they want. People will see Chris at some events and that is all there is to it.
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And that might very well be......but once again it is the media that stirs the pot to cause a bit of trouble [they have nothing better to do]. All media tries to tell people what they should think. Our American one is the worse. They tell us who to vote for and why. What shows are best, etc. Most have it 75% wrong and it shows. Our own fault for following like sheep. I would just once like to see a sitting monarch take a firm public stand for his family instead of being another king JC and let the media belittle his relative by marriage. Why are these men wimps?

Um... No, these are men who recognize that attempting to interfere with a free press would be a complete violation of their constitutional role and who also realize that attempting to dictate what the press can and can't say would make it a thousand times worse.




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Old 06-08-2015, 01:35 PM
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I think someone on here from Sweden said the people don't rally care about Chris. I think they will continue to live their lives as they want. People will see Chris at some events and that is all there is to it.
Yes, I have had private messages from people living in Sweden and they agree with you. The citizens do not care what Chris does and just enjoy seeing the photos of the children. He does not affect their lives. Victoria does. It is the "yellow press" of the media that wants scandal.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:41 PM
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Even though the swedes wouldn't care about Chris, life with constant negative press would not be easy for Madeleine, especially if all the other members of the family get positive press. But we will see what happens when Madeleine moves to London and after her maternity leave has ended. How she will work for Sweden, or perhaps she gets even third child right after the second.
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And that might very well be......but once again it is the media that stirs the pot to cause a bit of trouble [they have nothing better to do].
I think you're right, and that they're thinking very short term, rather than looking at the big picture. Once Victoria and Daniel have more kids, and Carl Phillip and Sofia have kids, Madeleine and Chris's kids will move farther down the line of succession and it won't matter where they live and how they're raised.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:47 PM
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Um... No, these are men who recognize that attempting to interfere with a free press would be a complete violation of their constitutional role and who also realize that attempting to dictate what the press can and can't say would make it a thousand times worse.
No, the palace does not have to forbid, just set the record straight and insist that documented proof is given for the stories. Entertainers and CEOs do it all the time and then give money to charity when case is won in court. There comes a time when media must stop making up scandals just to sell papers. The free press was once a brilliant institution with moral people printing facts that could be proven 100%. Today, that is a laugh most times. Probably why most newspapers are closing and TV anchors are now being investigated or fired. Hope that it keeps up and that the media will once again stop being just a laugh and become what it once was, a moral champion of the people.
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1) the media has never been a "moral champion of the people"

2) so far, the stories that have been printed have turned out to be true or mostly true. Gossip journalists are who broke the news about the move to London- something that wouldn't have happened had a PR plan been in place.


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1) the media has never been a "moral champion of the people"

2) so far, the stories that have been printed have turned out to be true or mostly true. Gossip journalists are who broke the news about the move to London- something that wouldn't have happened had a PR plan been in place.
I am old enough to remember when the media was truthful and if your # 2 is correct, the king probably thought it was no one's business. I do understand your position but I also don't still understand why people think that they have the right to dictate someone's life that does not affect their own. Just so foreign to me. I guess it is my age and remember Harry S Truman not putting up with media garbage. He gave them hell!
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It's not a question of whether Chris should and could be allowed to be a private person who can attend whatever he want's and whenever he want's to.
That's how it works in a perfect world but not in this world.

The fact is that Chris and Madeleine are criticized and that his absence is noted. Otherwise we wouldn't have this thread.

Chris O'Neil is in the position where he can shrug his shoulders and say: "So what"? In which case this thread will be alive and well in five years from now.

So, the current criticism and questions will continue at least until C&M have clearly defined their roles.
C&M themselves, the SRF certainly to some degree and/or the infamous press office have bungled the whole thing IMO.

Madeleine because AFAIK it is not clear whether she is now Mrs. O'Neil, who join her family for the occasional big show.
Or whether she remains Princess Madeleine, who is an active member of the SRF and as such is expected to be in Sweden often.
Or whether she intends to be a SRF reserve, who will step in when needed, say when Sofia and/or Victoria are on maternity leave or ill. (A bit akin to Princess Beneddikte in DK).
Chris, because he is either naive, thinking he can marry an active royal and not being a part of the royal show. Of course the Swedish public will be interested in him as well. What on earth did he expect?
Or uncompromising. I.e. unwilling to realize that because the Swedes are interested in his wife, they are also interested in him and such expect and appreciate that he show up at his wife's side from time to time. He may be a busy businessman, but even businessmen who are not married to a royal can find time to attend the odd family anniversary, gathering and birthday. Especially if they are held about the same time every year.
Or he is stubborn. I.e. being an arch-republican who do not believe in all that royalty-nonsense and who will not attend royal events unless dragged kicking and screaming. He just happened to fall in love with and marry a princess.
Or, which is the worst thing, he is completely indifferent. He couldn't care one hoot about Sweden, the Swedes and the role of the SRF. If that is the case then it is and will be preceived as a snub to the Swedish public.

The SRF failed, because it hasn't been made clear what role M&C will have, if any. To be honest I suspect the SRF as a whole don't know either!
Leonore has a title, but no one has gone out to explain that it's really "just in case".

The press office screwed up, because they have failed to be clear about anything in regards to C&M. That is if the office has even been informed...
A main job of any press office is to advise those whom they serve. Well, such advise has either been nonexistent, very poor or ignored.

So, is it any wonder C&M get some heat in the Swedish press?

But on the bright side. It will eventually decrease as the focus (for better or worse) switch to Sofia and CP, and as V&D (hopefully) have more children and they grow up.
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