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Old 05-17-2015, 06:21 AM
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Hope he makes it hear their names being said then all will be right with the world or at least Sweden
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Old 05-17-2015, 06:26 AM
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He don't miss the plane after all.
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Old 05-17-2015, 06:55 AM
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Chris O'Neill makes a total reversal and will show up in the Castle Church today.
- Yes. That's right, says Margareta Thorgren.
How is it that this reversal has been made?
- It is sometimes uncertain until the last if the representatives of the family will attend or not, because they have so many commitments. In this case, it has always been a hope that Chris will be with.
How did his presence become possible?
- He has managed to get it together with the logistics.
According to the court decision was made "in days".
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Old 05-17-2015, 07:15 AM
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What a lot of pressure this couple have, moving countries, 2 babies in 2 years, press looking into their business and money problems and everything they do seems to be wrong. I really hope they are strong enough as a couple to be able withstand it all.
I just don't understand the constant picking at Madeleine and Chris. Chris chose to remain a private citizen and receive no royal support. For a man in that position it is good, admirable even, yet it is treated as if he threw the "gift of becoming royal" back in the faces of the SRF and Sweden itself. His entire life has been dissected and allegations made about financial misconduct, tax problems, etc.

The King's sister receives no such heckling, why then should Madeleine? As to Chris being present at any given event, perhaps his name is often omitted from the official list as he is a private citizen, not a royal. His presence at the Vatican seems a no-brainer that his Mother-in-Law and wife would be able to give him a very special gift by allowing him to accompany them.

In the event, today he was at his wife's side at his brother-in-law's Wedding Banns. I am sure there will be much discussion as to why. He clearly hadn't planned on it and, since his wife did not attend her sister's Banns, perhaps he was misled into thinking they were no big deal rather than Madeleine being unable to cope with being in the public eye after the hurt and humiliation of her break-up with her fiance.

I am sure there will be endless speculation as to why he was there. He was "shamed into it", "the King gave him a flea in his ear", "the Queen was not amused and wept buckets", "Carl Philip threatened to punch his lights out", "Daniel, as a new member of the Bernadotte family, gave him a heads up that he was wrong in thinking that this was not a very big deal", Madeleine gave him an ultimatum. You name it, we'll see it all speculated.

I really feel for this couple. They have not even been married for two years and Chris has resigned from the job he previously held, Madeleine has had their first child and their second is due in a matter of weeks. In effect, she has been pregnant most of her marriage and for everyone else, pregnancy is a big free pass. They made a life in NY and now, having relocated to Sweden, have to make a new life together. I don't know about anyone else, but if I were either of them I would feel like I was living my life on a rollercoaster with all the privacy of a fishbowl!
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Old 05-17-2015, 07:43 AM
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But couldn't/shouldn't the PR department of the Swedish RF have forseen this situation (private person affiliated with the royal family) and better have anticipated in their way to handle this with regards to the press and public announcements?

I have a feeling that a lot of the media negativity and (negative or doubting) public opinion could have been prevented and/or handled by more accurate (or clearer) PR...

(just MO ofcourse)
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Old 05-17-2015, 10:13 AM
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It seems to me (personal opinion) that the Swedish Royal Family are abysmal at appointing functional PR personnel. Really, every time something new is on the horizon we should lay bets on just how badly the Palace PR department spokesperson will s****s it up. And they do, every time a coconut.

Everyone assumed Chris would be there, the PR department thought we should all know he had other plans. First mistake. Then they tried to spin the reasons that he wouldn't be there. Second huge mistake. In the end, Chris was able to attend and the PR spokesperson could not resist trying to explain something, anything. Third big mistake trying to explain how they got one and two wrong and, in so doing, create the third big mistake. Now if they had just kept their mouths shut and held to "We don't comment on private citizens", there would not have been enough discussion to have felled a small forest had someone printed it all out.

There is an old saying worth remembering: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Someone should paint it on the wall of every office in the PR department and carve it on the desk of the PR spokesperson. It should be their very own personal motto.

Whoever is in charge of hiring should be first out the door.
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Old 05-17-2015, 10:23 AM
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I agree that the PR is really bad, at this point. But I sense that Chris hoped to skip this event, and after another dose of negativy he gave up and showed up. JMO
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Old 05-17-2015, 11:54 AM
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Well, Chris is told to be wise and bright and a good businessman. A normal person with common sense would have understood oneself that staying away of this kind of event would not be good PR, and the press and royal experts would find it odd. One doesn't need court PR department for that.
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Old 05-17-2015, 12:01 PM
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So are we suggesting that before Chris schedules his business meetings, he needs to coordinate with the Swedish Royal Calendar I would imagine that a majority of royal events are scheduled months in advance. Most business meeting [with the exception of big conferences] are not. So is Chris expected to cancel business meetings because of a potential conflict.



Considering that Chris is Catholic, and the Pope is the Head of the Catholic Church...I would imagine he want to be present when HIS daughter is presented to the Pope.

And again, we don't know if he was not present at the private family event to celebrate his father's birthday so I don't think its a fair commet to say that the King's birthday was not important enough for him to attend. Unless you know something we are not privy to.

I am sorry but I think some people [not you per se] are nitpicking and expecting a lot from someone who is not on the Swedish payroll. While I can certainly under the importance of attending events for his brother in law...it's his mother's birthday. HIS MOTHER. As someone pointed out, why did they schedule around his mother's birthday. Maybe someone neede to put the important dates that relates to Daniel, Chris and Sofia's families on the big Swedish Royal calendar, so that the SRF does not schedule events that conflict with their family members

There are legtimate reasons to question Madeline's work ethic as she is a member of the SRF and does receive some financial support. I wonder if Chris get's picked on because of his ambigous position. As a private citizen IMO he doesn't really owe any one an explanation for his presence or lack of presence at certain events.
He does,he owes it to the family he married into!He knew that before,and should act accordingly!No excuses,it is as it is.He should have thought about that before if he's such a smart alec...which he obviously isn't.Staying away at various events...or have that announced...in regard to celebrations of ones brother-in-law is lame,just lame...But thank goodnees,little Chris found ample time to show up in church today and at least pretent all is well in the family...No need to say I never ruled him fit to marry into the Bernadotte Family nor any other for that matter...Nor would I have ever thought Madde to be a Princess if I didn't know better...Oh well..life is full of surprises isn't it.
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Old 05-17-2015, 02:10 PM
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Chris is just as fit-if not more so-than any of the other commoner spouses in recent years. He has the benefit of a first rate, upper class education at the best institutions in Europe and the U.S. His familys' social connections are absolutely impeccable. He is wealthy, cosmopolitan, multi-lingual...and best of all does not have a background that needs to be cleaned up or obliterated by Palace PR flunkies.


I struggle to comprehend how a person like that is less fit to marry into the Bernadotte family than Daniel Westling or Sofia Hellqvist.
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Old 05-17-2015, 02:31 PM
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There's a big article in Aftonbladet about Chris. In short, it says that Chris changed his mind about attending because it was "the wish of the royal family" that made him show up at the last minute. (I'd say that royal family in this case means the king). The article also makes a list over some of the family events that Chris hasn't attended during the last years.

The court doesn't want (or can't?) comment on Chris' scheule during the last week. It is mentioned that it was his mothers birthday yesterday, but he wasn't in London - several people has seen him in Stockholm during the weekend.

I just want to add that I hope that Chris and Madeleine will hire someone to help them with their PR. It doesn't have to be an official arrangement, but they need help. And they need it now.

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Old 05-17-2015, 02:38 PM
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It's also part of a pattern where Chris seems to show up when it suits him, not when he could be expected to do so.
Of course, he turned down a title, so he really doesn't have to do anything at all. Period. He does not have to please anyone besides his wife. That's it.
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Old 05-17-2015, 02:42 PM
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Jeez with PR people like the Royals have who needs enemies lol!
Seriously though, if there was a possibility of Chris attending the Court shouldn't have said he wasn't as surely a simpleton can see that if he does then turn up its a huge media story!
Yet again another PR disaster mainly brought about by the Court's own PR team. Seriously hope the couple decide to either leave the Court behind or get their own PR person.
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Old 05-17-2015, 03:38 PM
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How incompetent can one be!! First they comment that Chris is unable to attend due to prior commitments. Then the press asks questions. Obviously the King puts the foot down and Chris shows up last minute.

Other than than, I fully agree with lucien
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He does,he owes it to the family he married into!He knew that before,and should act accordingly!No excuses,it is as it is.He should have thought about that before if he's such a smart alec...which he obviously isn't.Staying away at various events...or have that announced...in regard to celebrations of ones brother-in-law is lame,just lame...But thank goodnees,little Chris found ample time to show up in church today and at least pretent all is well in the family...
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Old 05-17-2015, 04:28 PM
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Is there a reason people don't think Victoria and Daniel =will have any more children? Estelle is only 3. That's not a long time to wait before another pregnancy. Many people wait even longer. Was the first pregnancy difficult?
It's honestly just a feeling I have, based in part on Leonore getting the HRH. Also, Daniel has health issues and that might give them a pause or two.
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Old 05-17-2015, 04:59 PM
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It's honestly just a feeling I have, based in part on Leonore getting the HRH. Also, Daniel has health issues and that might give them a pause or two.

It's a feeling shared by many Swedes.


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Old 05-18-2015, 01:31 AM
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There's a big article in Aftonbladet about Chris. In short, it says that Chris changed his mind about attending because it was "the wish of the royal family" that made him show up at the last minute. (I'd say that royal family in this case means the king). The article also makes a list over some of the family events that Chris hasn't attended during the last years.

The court doesn't want (or can't?) comment on Chris' scheule during the last week. It is mentioned that it was his mothers birthday yesterday, but he wasn't in London - several people has seen him in Stockholm during the weekend.

I just want to add that I hope that Chris and Madeleine will hire someone to help them with their PR. It doesn't have to be an official arrangement, but they need help. And they need it now.

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Jeez with PR people like the Royals have who needs enemies lol!
Seriously though, if there was a possibility of Chris attending the Court shouldn't have said he wasn't as surely a simpleton can see that if he does then turn up its a huge media story!
Yet again another PR disaster mainly brought about by the Court's own PR team. Seriously hope the couple decide to either leave the Court behind or get their own PR person.
Who needs enemes indeed! The court PR department are a joke and they act like an episode of the Keystone Cops!

As a private citizen (or is he designated an alien?) there is no necessity to hand his business diary to the Palace to ensure he is present for anything and everything that might, just might, be a special event.

That Madeleine never flew home for her sister's Banns sent entirely the wrong message. Chris is a British/American businessman who has no such tradition from his Roman Catholic upbringing.

His world has been that of high society and business, neither of which could have prepared him for the reality that is The Swedish Royal Family. He has been married for less than two years so, is it not time that someone gave him a break?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:41 AM
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He does,he owes it to the family he married into! He knew that before,and should act accordingly! No excuses, it is as it is. He should have thought about that before if he's such a smart alec...which he obviously isn't. Staying away at various events...or have that announced...in regard to celebrations of ones brother-in-law is lame,just lame...But thank goodnees,little Chris found ample time to show up in church today and at least pretent all is well in the family...No need to say I never ruled him fit to marry into the Bernadotte Family nor any other for that matter...Nor would I have ever thought Madde to be a Princess if I didn't know better...Oh well..life is full of surprises isn't it.
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Chris is just as fit-if not more so-than any of the other commoner spouses in recent years. He has the benefit of a first rate, upper class education at the best institutions in Europe and the U.S. His familys' social connections are absolutely impeccable. He is wealthy, cosmopolitan, multi-lingual...and best of all does not have a background that needs to be cleaned up or obliterated by Palace PR flunkies.

I struggle to comprehend how a person like that is less fit to marry into the Bernadotte family than Daniel Westling or Sofia Hellqvist.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:47 AM
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There's a big article in Aftonbladet about Chris. In short, it says that Chris changed his mind about attending because it was "the wish of the royal family" that made him show up at the last minute. (I'd say that royal family in this case means the king). The article also makes a list over some of the family events that Chris hasn't attended during the last years.

The court doesn't want (or can't?) comment on Chris' scheule during the last week. It is mentioned that it was his mothers birthday yesterday, but he wasn't in London - several people has seen him in Stockholm during the weekend.

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Let's hope that Hänt Extra or Hänt i Veckan doesn't have photos of him in Stockholm on Saturday on their next issue. Probably some informants called to the royal reporters on Saturday that Chris is seen in Stockholm, the reporters called Margareta Thorgren, Thorgren told the king and the king ordered Chris to attend on Sunday.
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I don't know that Chris is the sort of man that would enjoy being bossed about by anyone king or not. Hope they don't push him too far.


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