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Old 05-07-2015, 07:11 PM
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Madeleine and Chris: Media Negativity and Public Opinion

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Is there a reason people don't think Victoria and Daniel =will have any more children? Estelle is only 3. That's not a long time to wait before another pregnancy. Many people wait even longer. Was the first pregnancy difficult?

I'm not sure about how much we're allowed to speculate about pregnancies here on the forums but yes apparently Victoria did have a hard time conceiving and by now she almost 38. Adding to that is that many men afflicted with the same disease as Daniel have problems conceiving because of all the medicines they have to take.i


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Old 05-07-2015, 11:51 PM
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I have no problem with Chris running his own business and just showing up for a few important royal occasions. My problem is that he (just like Madeleine) seems to show up when it suits them, not when they can be expected to.

Take the Nobels. Madeleine chose not to attend in 2010 and 2011. In 2012, Chris was supposed to attend with Madeleine, but he excused himself just a few weeks be. The Nobel celebrations is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) occasions in the royal calendar. In 2013, Madeleine was heavily pregnant - a good reason not to attend. I have no problems with that. But showing up when they feel like it, not regularly, that isn't exactly what I expect from a princess of Sweden and her husband. Either you're in, or you're not.
And what do you base your opinion on that they only do as they please? The royal family and household is a tightly run operation so if you have inside information please share it with all of us.
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Old 05-08-2015, 04:56 AM
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And what do you base your opinion on that they only do as they please? The royal family and household is a tightly run operation so if you have inside information please share it with all of us.
It's not just my opinion that they change their minds and/or show up when they like what's on the agenda. If you take Chris' participation in the Nobels, it was an official fact that he was supposed to be there for Nobel in 2012, and then cancelled very late. You just don't do stuff like that if you're not seriously ill or something similar.

Like I said many times before, I have no problem with both of them showing up just 2-3 times a year. But we need to know what we can expect from them. At this point, we can't.
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:48 AM
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Is there a reason people don't think Victoria and Daniel =will have any more children? Estelle is only 3. That's not a long time to wait before another pregnancy. Many people wait even longer. Was the first pregnancy difficult?
I do sincerely hope Victoria and Daniel will have more children. Without any problems, it can take two years before conceiving a child. I don't know - and don't want to know - whether and when Victoria and Daniel had the desire to give Estelle a sibling. I can only hope they won't go through hard times and processes.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:15 AM
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Well, well biological clock is ticking...
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:43 AM
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We are not supposed to be speculating on who is pregnant and who is not I believe or pregnancy matters at all.
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:55 AM
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Well, well biological clock is ticking...
Much as I am loathe to speculate, I do think a second child for V&D does increasingly appear unlikely.
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:16 AM
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Much as I am loathe to speculate, I do think a second child for V&D does increasingly appear unlikely.
In any case, the succession is reasonably secure with Estelle, Leonore and her soon-to-come sibling. CP is also getting married now and I assume he would like to have children of his own.
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:27 AM
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In any case, the succession is reasonably secure with Estelle, Leonore and her soon-to-come sibling. CP is also getting married now and I assume he would like to have children of his own.

I hope they are all close and spend time together an only child can become very lonely if they only mix with adults. I think it's great that Leonore and new baby are back home


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Old 05-08-2015, 01:58 PM
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Is it such a big problem?

V&D have proven that they can have children and should they have a few problems having one more the natural way, they can get help nowadays.
So I'd say we don't have to be concerned about Estelle being an only child until Victoria turns 45.
Also people "stay younger" nowadays. A generation ago a woman age 45 was from a childbearing point of view just one step away from the retirement home. Now a 45 year old having a child is just a bit mature.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:13 PM
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Is it such a big problem?

V&D have proven that they can have children and should they have a few problems having one more the natural way, they can get help nowadays.
So I'd say we don't have to be concerned about Estelle being an only child until Victoria turns 45.
Also people "stay younger" nowadays. A generation ago a woman age 45 was from a childbearing point of view just one step away from the retirement home. Now a 45 year old having a child is just a bit mature.

Just because some people have babies at 45 doesn't mean anyone can. Most babies in older mothers are with donor eggs. I have had a lot to do via family with secondary infertility when you can have 1 or 2 babies but not anymore even after many attempts with IVF. It's a myth that any one at any age can have a baby using IVF. There are many many heart broken women believe me.


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Just because some people have babies at 45 doesn't mean anyone can. Most babies in older mothers are with donor eggs. I have had a lot to do via family with secondary infertility when you can have 1 or 2 babies but not anymore even after many attempts with IVF. It's a myth that any one at any age can have a baby using IVF. There are many many heart broken women believe me.


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You are right Dear, and the percentage is very low, about 5%.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:26 PM
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Plus the risk of birth defects goes up considerably;They have a beautiful healthy precocious little girl so it might not be worth the risk for them.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:34 PM
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Just because some people have babies at 45 doesn't mean anyone can. Most babies in older mothers are with donor eggs. I have had a lot to do via family with secondary infertility when you can have 1 or 2 babies but not anymore even after many attempts with IVF. It's a myth that any one at any age can have a baby using IVF. There are many many heart broken women believe me.


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You are right about that thank you for bringing that up
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:47 PM
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Just because some people have babies at 45 doesn't mean anyone can. Most babies in older mothers are with donor eggs. I have had a lot to do via family with secondary infertility when you can have 1 or 2 babies but not anymore even after many attempts with IVF. It's a myth that any one at any age can have a baby using IVF. There are many many heart broken women believe me.


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True, but that's not what I said.

I merely pointed out that it isn't a problem yet. And should V&D have problems they can get help.
When Victoria turn 45 without having become pregnant with the second child, then IMO we can talk about there being a problem.
For all we know V&D may have decided to wait three years before trying again and have their reasons for doing that.
While M&D apparently want their children as soon as possible. Each to their on IMO.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:54 PM
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Is it such a big problem?
Also people "stay younger" nowadays. A generation ago a woman age 45 was from a childbearing point of view just one step away from the retirement home. Now a 45 year old having a child is just a bit mature.
From what I read in earlier centuries there were much more mothers who had their last children around age 45 (it was usually a child number 10+); having already grandchildren and a few babies in cemetery.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:58 PM
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Is it such a big problem?

V&D have proven that they can have children and should they have a few problems having one more the natural way, they can get help nowadays.
So I'd say we don't have to be concerned about Estelle being an only child until Victoria turns 45.
Also people "stay younger" nowadays. A generation ago a woman age 45 was from a childbearing point of view just one step away from the retirement home. Now a 45 year old having a child is just a bit mature.

I don't know if they are having problems having another child "the natural way", but, if they are, I personally think that, strictly from the point of view of the royal succession and the future of the monarchy, there is no need to seek any kind of "help". After all, they already have a daughter and a niece with an additional brother or sister soon to be born. If they still want to do it for personal reasons, I'm fine with that, but, having seen similar cases recently in my own family that resulted in difficult multiple pregnancies, I don't think it is worth the risk if you already have a child.
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Doesn't the line of succession go: Victoria, Estelle and any future siblings, Carl Phillip and any children he may produce, Madeleine, Leonore and any future siblings?
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:30 PM
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Doesn't the line of succession go: Victoria, Estelle and any future siblings, Carl Phillip and any children he may produce, Madeleine, Leonore and any future siblings?

Yes that's correct it does


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Old 05-08-2015, 08:14 PM
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Doesn't the line of succession go: Victoria, Estelle and any future siblings, Carl Phillip and any children he may produce, Madeleine, Leonore and any future siblings?
That's how I thought it was. Similar to the U.K.
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