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Old 02-26-2014, 12:52 PM
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I like the name,I'd never have guessed it in a million years!

I'm wondering if the first name is in honour of Infanta Leonor of Spain or the 17th Century, Ulrika Eleonora Queen of Sweden.
Ulrika Eleanora or any of the other Eleanors in the Swedish royal tree would be more likely then Felipe's daughter
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:54 PM
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It seems I'm the only one happy that the baby is a HRH Princess...

I expected Lilian to be in somewhere, the other names have taken me by surprise.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:56 PM
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Not alone Princess. I think it shows they are fully embracing equal primogeniture. It is one thing to allow the heir to be a daughter if first born, but that should apply to all titles.
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Don't see the point of removing her from the line. If she falls down the line she falls down. There are like 500 people in line to the british throne or more.
You cannot compare the Swedish and the British lines of succession; the Swedes have nothing like Electress Sophia's descendants and so forth!

Victoria has a few more years to bear children. The more children she gets the less need there is for the spares provided by Madeleine.

Princess Leonor could leave the line of succession if her parents eventually decide to stay in the US because a.o. their 'spare' is not deemed necessary anymore OR if the Princess decides to do so when she's old enough to make the decision.
It's easier to place her in the line of succcession from the birth rather than in - say - 6-7 years time, if it turns out that Victoria and Daniel have no other children than Estelle.

And to Marengo:
Being in the line of succession the Princess will be raised in the Lutheran faith!

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Old 02-26-2014, 12:58 PM
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Leonore Lilian Maria - a nice name IMO for the little princess and I like it much better than the name Estelle. Not surprised she got the HRH and along with it a duchy. And isn't she a beautiful baby ?!
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:02 PM
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It seems I'm the only one happy that the baby is a HRH Princess...

I expected Lilian to be in somewhere, the other names have taken me by surprise.
not the only one.... im happy that Sweden practices 100% equality between men and women...and i also expected it since even the children of the 5th child of previous monarchs were made HRH's and Dukes(since only men could be dukes at the time)
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:03 PM
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The HRH is a bit much. Suddenly titles are conferred matrilineally?? Leonore is too common now, unless they can lay claim to it being a family name. Lillian is not that surprising. Marie - also very very common.
Well, if any country insists on gender equality, why should't titles descend through the mother? Sweden might consider what Britain does - prince/princess only through the third generation.
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I agree that gender equality is more important than whatever title they get. If CP's children will be HRH Princes X, Dukes of Y, so should Madeleine's.

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It seems I'm the only one happy that the baby is a HRH Princess...

I expected Lilian to be in somewhere, the other names have taken me by surprise.
I am sure that Eva O'Neill is toasting to it as well

I believe Maria is her 2nd name btw, which may explain the use of it.

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thx Viv and LF for clarifying that the princess will be raised as a Lutheran. I forgot that the Scandinavian monarchs are heads of their national churches too, so that requirement makes sense.
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:11 PM
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I am sure that Eva O'Neill is toasting to that one too

I believe Maria is her 2nd name btw, which may explain the use of it.
Maria is a family name of the family of Eva O'Neill. Eva is Eva Maria, Chris' sister is Tatjana Maria Margareta Nina, and her daughters are Anoushka Maria Violet and Celina Maria Isabel. Chris' sister Natascha has a daughter Milana Tatjana Maria.
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Lovely name well done
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The names are so pretty...but to be honest, I am surprised the baby is an HRH and Princess. Her father chose to retain his name without a title... so her title will descend from her mother only... interesting...and modern. I am curious as to why the baby is an HRH...but God bless to them all.
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Well I think the name that has been chosen is a lovely name and I love the first name especially! Good choices.
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You cannot compare the Swedish and the British lines of succession; the Swedes have nothing like Electress Sophia's descendants and so forth!

Victoria has a few more years to bear children. The more children she gets the less need there is for the spares provided by Madeleine.

Princess Leonor could leave the line of succession if her parents eventually decide to stay in the US because a.o. their 'spare' is not deemed necessary anymore OR if the Princess decides to do so when she's old enough to make the decision.
It's easier to place her in the line of succcession from the birth rather than in - say - 6-7 years time, if it turns out that Victoria and Daniel have no other children than Estelle.

And to Marengo:
Being in the line of succession the Princess will be raised in the Lutheran faith!

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My point is there is no need to limit how many heirs there are to the throne. Its not like the tax payers will be paying for them all. If Leonore i fifth in line or 26th in line, there is really no need to remove her. If she removes herself by converting to catholocism or the parents choose later not raise her in Sweden, that is another issue. But there is no need for the king to make a choice to remove her from succession.
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Maria is a family name of the family of Eva O'Neill. Eva is Eva Maria, Chris' sister is Tatjana Maria Margareta Nina, and her daughters are Anoushka Maria Violet and Celina Maria Isabel. Chris' sister Natascha has a daughter Milana Tatjana Maria.
Eva's family is catholic, and in traditional catholic families, it is quite common for all daughters to have Maria. Even some sons (look at the Belgium and Luxembourg royal families, the sons do). In some countries, all daughters have Maria as a first name, and go by their middle. My friend is one of four girls, two sisters are Mary and 2 Maria. Mary Evangeline, Mary Elizabeth, Maria Theresa and cant remember the forth. They just go by Evangeline, Elizabeth, Theresa and the forth name.
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Well I'm not unhappy with the title princess. But she could still be in the sucession line with HH, or even just Duchess of Gotland instead of Princess.

I'm not discriminating here, but Estelle is the future Queen, Leonore should have a lower title than Estelle but she could still remain in the line to the throne. Please don't take this to heart, I'm not trying to offend anyone here, it's just my opinion, because I still think HRH is to much for a child who will be niece to the future Queen, cousin to another Future Queen and will be pushed back over and over with future children of CP Victoria and Carl-Phillip.
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Sweden does not have tradition, and I dont know if they recognize the HH status. They were likely following suit of other monarchies, that a grandchild of the monarch has the Prince/Princess title
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Hello Everybody, Im new here (been lurking around for a while and finally decided to register )

About the titles:

Why are so many surprised that she got a HRH?
HH does not exist in the Swedish Royal Family!!!! The title does only exist in Denmark and Norway (what I know of) But Sweden is Sweden and in history even minor royals have been HRH in Sweden, never ever ever HH.

Leonore is a grandchild of a King so it is not more strange that she is a HRH and Princess of Sweden than it is for example Beatrice and Eugenie to be HRHs and Princesses of the UK (granddaughters of a Queen)

And since Sweden have cognatic succession AKA equal inheritance (both male and female can inherit the throne) Princess Madeleine can pass on titles to her children just for example Prince Andrew could.

Sure, they could have choosen to not give her any titles at all...but at the moment it is only Princess Estelle and Princess Leonore of the new generation in Sweden and god knows what happens in the future? maybe it will only be the two of them? (though I really do not hope so).

So to summarize: Leonore could not have been HH cuz that title does not exist in Sweden..and that her father has no title does not matter at all since Madeleine can pass on titles!
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I am just so happy for the whole family. Forget about not liking the name or the fact she has a title. Be happy for this beautiful little girl and her parents and the family. Just saying.

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