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Old 07-22-2015, 06:00 PM
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I'd like to know how Madeleine came to be worth 10 million dollars.
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Old 07-22-2015, 06:03 PM
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I very much doubt that Madeleine has so much funds - I believe she gets a apanage from her father, and after the death of him, she will inherit - but not yet.
As I said, I really don't know. Estimates of her father's net worth tend to range between 70 and 120 million dollars, but I doubt any of those estimates that float around are really accurate as private royal finances (in all countries) are not transparent.

She may or may not be worth what some sources claim, but, in any case, if she didn't have any income or assets of her own, why would she and Chris have signed a prenup agreement ?
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Old 07-22-2015, 06:06 PM
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The prenup may very well have been to protect Chris's assets. Prenups are important for any couple imo, not just the mega wealthy.
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Old 07-22-2015, 06:17 PM
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The prenup may very well have been to protect Chris's assets. Prenups are important for any couple imo, not just the mega wealthy.

Considering that Silvia, Daniel and Sofia also signed prenups, my impression is that was also a requirement of the Royal House.

Here is an example of a site that claims her net worth is US$ 10 million . I agree it sounds like an inflated estimate and is probably wrong, but the same site puts QEII's personal net worth at US$ 550 million, which looks about right (i.e. matches estimates from more reliable sources like Forbes).
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Old 07-22-2015, 06:24 PM
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It could very well have been a requirement of the royal house but given Chris's background and business sense he no doubt would have insisted on one anyway.

I have no idea how the law works in Sweden though.
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Old 07-22-2015, 06:25 PM
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She had a fortune of at least 30 million SEK, around 3,5 million USD, in 2006 (according to the prenup), and it's not smaller these days. She also has a large stock portfolio and other assets. Hard to put a value on those. In any case, she won't have to beg to put food on the table if she and Chris split up.

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Old 07-22-2015, 06:38 PM
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She had a fortune of at least 30 million SEK, around 3,5 million USD, in 2006 (according to the prenup), and it's not smaller these days. She also has a large stock portfolio and other assets. Hard to put a value on those. In any case, she won't have to beg to put food on the table if she and Chris split up.

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Thanks Xenobia for the info.

Your last sentence above was my point exactly.
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:27 PM
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I've certainly learned a lot about Swedish culture. I'm surprised monarchy is able to function in a society that is so politically correct.

Maybe in the future Chris and Madeleine will choose to live in London full-time and give up royal life in Sweden altogether.

Yes I think they might too. He can't win. I don't want to put down another country but if he didn't work would he not be called names. Maddie wants to be a full time mum and that is wrong too. I wouldn't blame them at all if decide to live in London long term.


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Old 07-22-2015, 09:09 PM
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Kind of funny the way so many are jumping a over Chris with that "breadwinner" comment. He is just trying to explain, for BOTH of them, why they aren't living in Sweden which seems to be the big question. Maddie works very little, and so the amount of flights she would have to take a month, vs what he has been doing for the past year, is simply incomparable. Like it or not, here is a Swedish woman who isn't really working or supporting herself, as un politically correct as it may be.


My opinion is that the King insisted that the babies be HRH, and that Madde really wanted out. Chris is the fall guy. He loves her and is trying to make it all work, imo.
Leonore will probably teach him Swedish!
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:26 PM
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Thank you for understanding what I (and several other swedish posters) are trying to explain

I'll try to be even more clear to avoid further misunderstandings. (Not aimed at anyone in particular - just a general explanation).

Flipside: I'm glad Chris did the interview. He has a lot to gain by being more open towards the press and the swedish population in general. It's also very good that he explained that he's not going to be around for every major royal occasion. I understand the reasons behind it, and they are perfectly legitimate. I hope they also try to be more consistent when it comes to planning and PR in the future - that could do a lot to improve their image.

Downside: The way that Chris expresses himself is something that raises a lot of eyebrows over here. His talk about being "the breadwinner" is seen as very old fashioned here. I'm 44 years old, and personally don't know a single woman my age who isn't working and making her own money. (Yes, they do exist, but it's very rare). Women are encouraged to stand on their own two feet and make their own money. Having a husband as a "breadwinner" is a very rare and strange thing to most people my age.

Chris also talks about how he wants to come home and have dinner with his family after a long day at work. Nothing wrong with that, but together with a lot of other remarks it gives us the impression that he's a 1950's kind of guy: he wants a housewife who takes care of the house and kids while he's working. And this is something very, very far away from how the average swede lives.

Everyone has the right to live their lives as they want, as long as you don't hurt anyone else. He's perfectly entitled to his thoughts and opinions, and as long as Madeleine is okay with it, I personally have no objections. The remarks I've made are done to try to explain to other posters why there might be a backlash towards Chris here in Sweden after this interview. I think that Chris isn't familiar with the ways of society here, and he - along with many posters here - can't really understand what the fuzz is about. So I'm trying to explain the fuzz.

So I take it that all children are in full time childcare then.


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Old 07-22-2015, 10:04 PM
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I was favourably impressed by the article. Chris seems like a straight forward person who loves his family and wants the best for them. I've known several people whose marriages have ended because of one partner's constant work related travel.

I didn't see anything particularly old fashioned or sexist about what Chris said, but then again, terms like "breadwinner" aren't especially controversial or emotionally loaded where I come from. Madeleine is no doubt a wealthy woman in her own right but it's likely Christopher's money that enables them to live the luxurious life they do.

I would be interested in knowing what the norm is for old, noble and/or wealthy Swedish families in terms of division of labor between the husband and wife.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:19 AM
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I agree. But the general interview was rather good :) And I think he certainly are learning, which I've already given him praise for :) It's sad that they don't have a good PR-team... In todays age it is SO IMPORTANT and it makes me sad that they are not putting forward their best version. The PR team seems clumsy or outdated.
Yes the Swedish Royal Family PR team is clumsy. I thought we'd long since established that the SRF seems to function "in spite of" rather than "because of" their "Flaky PR Team".

Great heavens above, were it not for the SRF PR usual flaky and general level of incompetence we would not be having this conversation. The whole mess surrounding the marriage and lifestyle of Madeleine and Chris would never have occurred and there would have been no "interview". It is even a remote possibility that they would have been able to make a life in Sweden.

As ill-advised as the term "breadwinner" is, it does not alter the facts of the matter, namely that Chris works full-time and Madeleine doesn't, nor indeed will she ever. Someone way back said that Sweden is so PC that it actually prevents women having the choice of being a full-time wife and mother, and that is a very good point. I thought that was what equality was all about, being able to make your own choices.

From the interview with Chris it seems they have made a choice, he will have a full-time job and she will also have a full-time job, because anyone who thinks bringing up children is anything less than a full-time job is not only dreaming but living on a different planet than me.

From a strictly personal point of view, I see no virtue in working solely to be able to pay for daycare (except if your sanity is involved). It is counterproductive, and the use of Madeleine as a representative of "everyday Swedish women", inane. She is not an ordinary woman, she is a royal Princess, a rich Swedish one at that.
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Good post MARG I totally agree with your point about Childcare after working in it for 15 years it has place but full time CC is not ideal for children even the very best. IMO


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Old 07-23-2015, 02:52 AM
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I very much doubt that Madeleine has so much funds - I believe she gets a apanage from her father, and after the death of him, she will inherit - but not yet.
Madeleine inherited 5 million SEK after prince Bertil died, then 15 million SEK was divided to Victoria, Carl Philip and Madeleine.
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And about 10 million SEK when princess Lilian died. Lilian wrote in her will that all of the property, other than as specified, should go to the royal children. In total there were about 30 million SEK for Victoria, Carl Philip and Madeleine to share.
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The Prince Bertil left all his property of the children of Carl-Gustaf only?
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The Prince Bertil left all his property of the children of Carl-Gustaf only?
Of course princess Lilian as his wife inherited property and money, for instance the apartment in London. The king's sisters inherited paintings and the king inherited Villa Mirage in France.
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Old 07-23-2015, 03:04 AM
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Thank you LadyFinn for the informations.
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My problem with women who isn't working is that I've seen examples - from friends abroad and from an older generation here - is that she's not always able make the life choices she wants to. (The same would apply to a man who is supported by his wife). My husband makes more money than me, but I'm working as well and bringing money to the household. I could manage well on my own. If our relationship breaks down, I can support myself.

Here in Sweden, you have to pay child support (but a low sum) if you divorce and have kids. But a husband isn't required to support his ex-wife in any way, like he is in the US.

I don't think that Madeleine and the kids would be on welfare if their marriage broke down. She has her own money. If she makes the choice to not work, I'm fine with that. But most women who want some kind of control over their own destiny have to be able to support themselves.
I love to work, so I dont get completely who chooses to stay at home. But one of the main points of femininsm is the freedom to make a choice. If I want to work fine, if I want to take care of my family without working fine. So imo femininsm isnt about a model of life, but about doing what you feel is best for you.
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Of course its Chris' & Madde's choice and everybody should do what they are comfortable with. It's only that for me (and obviously more posters) Chris' wording gave me a 'lord of the manor' vibe, he's working and in the evening when he comes home the wifey will present the well groomed kids, there is supper, and the big family dogs are resting by the fire. If they like it, fine. But giving an interview about it will open you to critizism counting the year 2015 or to be precise, it won't make Chris any more popular in Sweden, if that was his aim at all.
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Of course its Chris' & Madde's choice and everybody should do what they are comfortable with. It's only that for me (and obviously more posters) Chris' wording gave me a 'lord of the manor' vibe, he's working and in the evening when he comes home the wifey will present the well groomed kids, there is supper, and the big family dogs are resting by the fire. If they like it, fine. But giving an interview about it will open you to critizism counting the year 2015 or to be precise, it won't make Chris any more popular in Sweden, if that was his aim at all.

I think he said he wanted to come for dinner with his family if you thinks that's lord of the manner holy moly
Shame on him wanting to with his family instead of alone!!!!!!!!! I think a lot of people would be happy if this marriage broke up
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