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Old 06-03-2013, 03:56 PM
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I hope this marriage will last. I think they are mature adults, and are able to accommodate their feelings with the way of life they want to have. Sure Chris wants to remain as close as possible to his current way of life, which is probably the safest way for him, bearing in mind that he probably speaks only little Swedish. He is certainly aware that there is a proportion of the Swedish population which is no longer really in favour of a monarchy. In case he would take a closer involvement in activities of the royal family, he would be an easy target for criticism.
If they like their current way of life, why not just continue with it, with however an official statute, and the possibility to have children. I also hope we continue to see Madeleine regularly in Sweden, without negative spéculations in case she comes on her own!!! to me that would sound perfectly natural.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:02 PM
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How long was she with Jonas together? 8 years? And 3 years after the break she will marry this man....
I am sure, that this is not the big love, she is still dissapointed and has a broken heart forever, but she will be every day older, she wants children, so she hasn't got more time to find somebody. This man is rich, not so ugly, so she has what for her important is.
So basically you are saying Madeleine is calculating, shallow and a golddigger?
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:45 PM
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Madeline is a smart girl and understands that she is slipping further and further from royal life and has chosen to build a private life for herself and possible children.
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Old 06-03-2013, 05:23 PM
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Daniel didn't "roll over". He went into his marriage with his eyes open - and his mind and heart firmly in place. He knew what his role would be - to support Victoria and the royal family. And IMHO he is doing a fantastic!!! job.
Well said! Absolutely! 100%, Daniel is a fantastic husband to Victoria.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:00 AM
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Princess Madeleine was stopped by police as she glided past the queues and drove in the bus lane in central Stockholm yesterday.
She was released first off because it was unclear whether she had immunity from prosecution or a special permit - which she has not.
The King may violate the rules at any time - and still escape prosecution and punishment.
It is enshrined in the Constitution, one of Sweden's four constitutions.

Police had yesterday a check at Kungsträdgårdsgatan running between Hamngatan and the Palace. After a while appeared a black Volvo XC 60 in the bus lane, towards the Palace. Behind the wheel sat a person who did not have to show identification cards to show who she was - Princess Madeleine.
- I can certify that she was stopped in traffic control we had, which focused on collectively lanes, says Lars Lindholm.
According to Aftonbladet data Princess Madeleine then be showed a piece of paper and claimed that she had immunity from prosecution.
- I can not answer that, but the police officer who stopped her felt uncertainty about these immunity rules, if they were for the whole royal family. Or if there could be any exception rule for the Court's cars. And now we have checked it, says Lars Lindholm. Immunity rules apply only head of state, not her. And any exclusion rule, we have not found. This means that we will write a report.
Madeleine gets a traffic fine of SEK 1000.
Prinsessan Madeleine stoppad av polisen när hon körde i bussfil - Aftonbladet

EDIT And now Bertil Ternert has given a statement: Madeleine was driving one of cars of Royal Mews, which have a permission to drive at the bus lane...
Hovet slår tillbaka mot polisen Nyheter Aftonbladet

And there will be a lot of bitter comments of the privileges of the royalty, just before the wedding.
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Old 06-05-2013, 02:59 PM
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She ended her engagement three years ago that is a long time to get over some one. I think she found a good man who she loves and who loves her and wants as much as possible for them to have a normal life together.
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:26 PM
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About Madeleine driving at the bus lane
The court and Ternert refer to the permission given to the Royal Mews "for drivers of the Royal Mews in connection with state visits and the corresponding temporary vehicle."
Royal Mews interpretation is that the princess' car ride occurred "in connection with state visits".
- We have a wedding in a few days. This is the county administrative's way to express themselves when we carry out major events, said Mertil Melin, Chief of the Royal Mews.
The court will not appeal against any order of fine.
- We hope that we can sort this out, we will not challenge the police decision. We will not appeal this. We will clarify this with the provincial government. I understand that this is a misunderstanding. says Bertil Ternert.
Will the cars run any other way before you know if there will be an order of injunction or not?
- No, we are hoping for a quick and easy solution. We hope that the cortege will not be stopped, says Ternert.
Prinsessan Madeleine stoppad av polisen Nyheter Expressen Senaste nytt - Nyheter Sport Nöje TV
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:31 PM
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Seems like a lot of fuss over a simple traffic violation.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:27 PM
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Aftonbladet has interviewed a solicitor and expert of traffic laws and justice, Leif Rydström.

On Wednesday evening the court represented a document from the County Administrative Board of Stockholm that gives permission to drive the vehicle in question in the public transport field "in connection with state visits and the corresponding".
According to Leif Rydström, it is doubtful whether the condition was valid yesterday afternoon when Madeleine was caught by police - three days before the wedding.
- This condition is only applicable in the context of representation with foreign countries. Therefore, it is not valid if she takes hand of matters concerning wedding, meets friends or visits the Palace, says Leif Rydström.

According to Bertil Ternert Madeleine was on her way to the Royal Palace.
- She was working with preparations for the wedding.
Leif Rydström says Madeleine faces now with the choice to confess the crime or deny the crime.
- If she recognizes it she will pay. Otherwise, it's up to prosecutors to decide whether to run a process and I think they should. The law should be equal for all and this is not a common man gets away from, says Leif Rydström.
Experten Madeleine borde erkänna Nyheter Aftonbladet
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:52 PM
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Good grief, it does seem as if certain elements in the Swedish press are blowing a simple traffic violation all out of proportion.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:58 PM
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Good grief, it does seem as if certain elements in the Swedish press are blowing a simple traffic violation all out of proportion.
The press wouldn't have written so much about this if Bertil Ternert wouldn't insist that it was legal and acceptable to drive at the bus lane. Surely this will cause a lot of bitter comments from the common people who are often at the traffic jams in Stockholm. Not a positive incident for Madeleine, whose popularity isn't so good nowadays.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:34 AM
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Yup, it would have just been a simple traffic violation if she would have apologized and paid her fine instead of arguing that she's above the law.

Does not reflect positively on her.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:54 AM
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The court is criticized from several directions - just three days before the wedding.
- That they have these rights is contrary to the democratic society, says Mats Lindberg, professor of political science at Örebro University.
Lindberg criticizes that the county government grants this type of special permit that common people are not able to get. It brings to mind some sort of elite society. It is unjustified to give a privilege in this way.
PR consultant Paul Ronge says that the court should have been more humble in their comments, this gives signals that Madeleine has her own privilege in life where normal rules do not apply to her. It's incredibly stupid. If there is an exception she shouldn't try to use it, especially now before the wedding.
According to Cenneth Malmström, active in the union in the Municipal and travel by bus in Stockholm, the bus drivers are irritated to private motorists who choose bus lane. It is not so appreciated and it's travelers who are affected.
”Otroligt korkat” Nyheter Aftonbladet
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:46 AM
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Expressen of the future life of Madeleine and Chris
Så blir Maddes och Chris liv efter bröllopet Dokument Expressen Senaste nytt - Nyheter Sport Nöje TV
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:22 AM
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Daniel didn't "roll over". He went into his marriage with his eyes open - and his mind and heart firmly in place. He knew what his role would be - to support Victoria and the royal family. And IMHO he is doing a fantastic!!! job.
That's what I meant by rolling over...I should've used another word but that's what I meant. He was selfless when it comes to Victoria.

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Daniel 'rolled over' because he decided to marry a future Queen, and that means her future role takes absolute precedence. If he didn't like that, then he didNt have to get married.

Madeleine is a completely different case.

Currently 4th in line to the throne, and can only get further away. She lives and works in America, she is marrying an American and therefore royal life is not a priority. H is taking nothing by way of finance or status from the SRF. He is rather like Prince Philip in that all the ceremonial disinterests or bores him. Stuffy palace types in 1947 said that that marriage wouldn't last and now over 60 years later .............

He is going through the fuss, will get married and then they will get back to their normal life. Can't believe that some of you are being so negative.

Lighten up and be happy for them.
Who said I wasn't happy for them? I don't appreciate your saying I'm negative..when that's not my intention at all. In my mind they don't seem like a perfect match but that's my opinion, I'm still very much happy for them and I hope it works out.

Madeleine is still a royal so Chris does have to be a little selfless like Daniel at times. You can't just brush the fact that she's royalty under the carpet.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:43 PM
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I think it's very dificult to say if a mariage will be longer or not. I will not judge Cris and his relationship with Madeleine. In my opinion, they're a couple with many things in common, especially their bad relatioship with the press. Although her popularity is not good, I'II hope their happiness.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:26 PM
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That's what I meant by rolling over...I should've used another word but that's what I meant. He was selfless when it comes to Victoria.



Who said I wasn't happy for them? I don't appreciate your saying I'm negative..when that's not my intention at all. In my mind they don't seem like a perfect match but that's my opinion, I'm still very much happy for them and I hope it works out.

Madeleine is still a royal so Chris does have to be a little selfless like Daniel at times. You can't just brush the fact that she's royalty under the carpet.
I like the word "selfless". And I completely agree, Daniel has been selfless since his engagement to Victoria. Very nice phrasing.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:43 AM
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Some people are already planning Madeleine and Chris's separation/divorce and yet they are not even married! Whether the marriage will work out or not no one can predict, as with anyone's marriage or partnership. I wish them happiness and good luck for their big day and for many years to come.
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Old 06-08-2013, 12:52 PM
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Will their children be Catholics or Lutherans?

Will their children be raised as Lutherans? According to the Constitution of Sweden, "any member of the Royal Family not professing this faith shall be excluded from all rights of succession".

Personally, I would not be surprised if they decided to raise them as Roman Catholics. O'Neill remained a private citizen and Madeleine's role has significantly diminished. If I am not mistaken, a Roman Catholic priest officiated at their wedding.
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Will their children be raised as Lutherans? According to the Constitution of Sweden, "any member of the Royal Family not professing this faith shall be excluded from all rights of succession".

Personally, I would not be surprised if they decided to raise them as Roman Catholics. O'Neill remained a private citizen and Madeleine's role has significantly diminished. If I am not mistaken, a Roman Catholic priest officiated at their wedding.
The children would also have to be raised in Sweden to be able to succeed, right? I doubt that scenario will actually happen. Victoria will probably have more children and Carl Philip at some point.
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