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Old 08-10-2012, 02:41 AM
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London Olympics 2012: Now that's a photo finish! Usain Bolt grabs a camera and snaps his own historic frame after becoming greatest ever Olympic sprinter | Mail Online

3x Jamaica in the 200m. If Bolt didnt have the showman attitude, nobody would be interested. His ability to concentrate when it counts is amazing.

I loved him talking to the girls at the start, then doing the press-ups after the finish. The mascot got its share, too. Whenever I see Usain, I am having a laugh. He's great for sport.
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Why does it bother you whether China or America finish 'top of the medal list'? Winning fewer medals that China wouldn't make the sky fall in, it wouldn't mean the US is a crap country. The Games shouldn't be used as some sort of pissing contest to prove that one country is better than another country, or vice versa. China choose to use the Olympic Games, to show off their strength and power. Surely the US is past these childish games?
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I don't see why it's childish to like winning, everyone likes winning. Look at how GB is screaming from the rooftops every time we get a gold. It's a nice feeling to be proud of the athletes from your country for winning these medals. You are making it out to be a 'pissing match' which isn't true.

Look at the Armenian who said he's pay 60,000 or something like that for every gold one. Look at how people react when they are destined to win gold and don't. It matters. It might be superficial but it matters and it would matter to me if I knew I could win gold and I failed.

I'm excited that the GB is third in the medal table? Does that make me a bad person?
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:47 AM
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Why does it bother you whether China or America finish 'top of the medal list'? Winning fewer medals that China wouldn't make the sky fall in, it wouldn't mean the US is a crap country. The Games shouldn't be used as some sort of pissing contest to prove that one country is better than another country, or vice versa. China choose to use the Olympic Games, to show off their strength and power. Surely the US is past these childish games?

Quote of the day for me was from Nicola Adams - the first female Olympic boxing champion ever. When asked about how it felt to be Olympic champion she said "It's made my day". Great British understatement right there.

Jade Jones won gold in Taekwondo tonight, bringing Team GB's number of golds to 25.
Where did I ever saying this was a pissing contest between the 2 countries? I am so freakin tired of people putting words into my mouth and it always seems to be the same people all the time. Stop making baseless assumptions about me and my feelings about the Olympics or Charlene Wittstock for that matter. I have stated too many times in this very thread that I am rooting for the US followed by Korea, Japan, and China in no particular order. If China wins good for them they definitely deserve it; being an American if the US wins I will definitely be happy.
In a thread where every other post is patting England on the back for winning another medal, you really can't jump on me for being happy the US has 90 as of now.

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Old 08-10-2012, 02:49 AM
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3x Jamaica in the 200m. If Bolt didnt have the showman attitude, nobody would be interested. His ability to concentrate when it counts is amazing.

I loved him talking to the girls at the start, then doing the press-ups after the finish. The mascot got its share, too. Whenever I see Usain, I am having a laugh. He's great for sport.
Yes, I love to watch him too. He is so relaxed and friendly. And to watch him rum, it's always a pleasure.
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I can understand the sentiment of excitement when the athlete from one's own nation wins the gold medal. It's the Olympic Games, and all who are involved want to do best, show that they are able to deliver, so to speak. When the whole world is watching you, you don't want to do poorly, certainly not if you're known all over the world as the 'best' at a particular sport. It's devastating when at the end of the day, the 'best' comes out in second, third, or fourth place. I know that there's more to the Olympics than winning, but I think that the majority of the participants go in there with a very, very high competitive streak. They come to win, to shine, to do their nation proud, and not to make a grievous mistake and be the topic of conversation (and then have their moment of embarrassment be talked about in the next few Games to come). You'd be surprised at how many people remember the mistakes, as well as the victories (and the formers are talked about more, for one reason or another).
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Bolt doesn't need all the showing off and the antics; his performances speak for themselves. I dislike the way he tends to slow down well before he reaches the finish line, to me that's a bit disrespectful. If he did away with all the hijinks, and stopped acting like a rapper in the mould of P Diddy et al, I think he would be much more personally popular.

Having said all that, for me Bolt is a greater Olympian than Phelps. Bolt doesn't have the opportunity to win 7 or 8 medals at each Games. He's from a tiny island and competing in events that have traditionally been dominated by the US. Winning gold in the 100m and 200m in consecutive Olympics must make him the greatest athlete of all time.
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:04 AM
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Bolt doesn't need all the showing off and the antics; his performances speak for themselves. I dislike the way he tends to slow down well before he reaches the finish line, to me that's a bit disrespectful. If he did away with all the hijinks, and stopped acting like a rapper in the mould of P Diddy et al, I think he would be much more personally popular.

Having said all that, for me Bolt is a greater Olympian than Phelps. Bolt doesn't have the opportunity to win 7 or 8 medals at each Games. He's from a tiny island and competing in events that have traditionally been dominated by the US. Winning gold in the 100m and 200m in consecutive Olympics must make him the greatest athlete of all time.
Well, Bolt doesn't normally slow down in olympic or world championship finals. Yesterday he seemed to slow down a little in the end, and that is understandable, he wanted to save some energy for the relay, Jamaica has a little problem as Asafa Powell got injured. Powell is a great asset in relay, although he can't perform well on his own. They need all their strength to beat USA. Many other athletes slow down in heats and semifinals, at 100 meters, 200 meters, 400 meters, 5000 meters etc. IMO it isn't disrespectful, they are just using common sense. If you can save energy, you can make better at the finals.

I also think that Bolt is a greater Olympian than Phelps.
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:15 AM
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Bolt slowed down because he wants to save the World Record for one of the lucrative meetings that will follow. Unlike at the Olympics, he will get paid to do so. Its common practice, many athletes do the same. I'd slow down a bit if I could earn 1 Millon Dollars the next time doing the same thing when there is no impact on the result.
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Where did I ever saying this was a pissing contest between the 2 countries? I am so freakin tired of people putting words into my mouth and it always seems to be the same people all the time. Stop making baseless assumptions about me and my feelings about the Olympics or Charlene Wittstock for that matter. I have stated too many times in this very thread that I am rooting for the US followed by Korea, Japan, and China in no particular order. If China wins good for them they definitely deserve it; being an American if the US wins I will definitely be happy.
In a thread where every other post is patting England on the back for winning another medal, you really can't jump on me for being happy the US has 90 as of now.

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First of all, I think you'll find that 'England' is not competing in the Olympic Games. Second, you do also realise that Prince Charles isn't on Twitter? The account that people talk about is a parody, totally fake.

I didn't say that YOU see this as a pissing contest. All over the internet, and on US TV, there's so much angst over whether the US can finish above China in the medal table. The BBC News just ran a report about the obsession in the US in finishing above China. That seems to be the most important thing for most of the American media. You also have posted about whether the US is beating China multiple times.

I have no issue with people enjoying the success of their teams. What I do object to, is using the Olympic Games as some sort of barometer for which country is 'the best'. That is entirely contrary to what the Olympics is all about. The Games are not a competition between nations; it's a competition between athletes. It is becoming a nationalistic 'my country is better than your team' chest-thumping joke.

I fail to see what my opinion of Charlene Wittstock has to do with the Olympic Games.
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First of all, I think you'll find that 'England' is not competing in the Olympic Games. .
No but English athletes are. Even at the games there's a separation between countries in team GB, I saw loads of Scottish flags when Murray played his final.
Also look at the Yorkshire reporter who started the craze of if Yorkshire was a country it would be higher in the medal table than Australia or South Korea, that's splitting Team GB down to the county level.

As for 'my team is better than your team' well yes that's not what the Olympics is supposed to be about but it shows you in plain site which countries are better at curtains sports than others, that can't be helped. I believe China takes the Olympics and this battle quite seriously, I've read severely articles about bronze and silver medallists from previous games who no longer have jobs and beg for food on the streets because they didn't do good enough.
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I have to say its a bit ricidulous that at the Olymics its all about being "british" (what of course guarantees a higher standing in the medal ranks) but in all other events its fiercly "english", wishing the "scottish" or the "welsh" or the "northern irish" all the worst or calling them all sorts of names (football, rugby etc).

Can we imagine a british football team at the world championship? Never. Of course, it meant to lose three votes at UEFA or FIFA. At the end, "Team GB" all about money or politics.
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First of all, I think you'll find that 'England' is not competing in the Olympic Games. Second, you do also realise that Prince Charles isn't on Twitter? The account that people talk about is a parody, totally fake.

I didn't say that YOU see this as a pissing contest. All over the internet, and on US TV, there's so much angst over whether the US can finish above China in the medal table. The BBC News just ran a report about the obsession in the US in finishing above China. That seems to be the most important thing for most of the American media. You also have posted about whether the US is beating China multiple times.

I have no issue with people enjoying the success of their teams. What I do object to, is using the Olympic Games as some sort of barometer for which country is 'the best'. That is entirely contrary to what the Olympics is all about. The Games are not a competition between nations; it's a competition between athletes. It is becoming a nationalistic 'my country is better than your team' chest-thumping joke.

I fail to see what my opinion of Charlene Wittstock has to do with the Olympic Games.
England, Britain, London I really don't care. And if you have a problem with the American media being obsessed with winning over China don't take it on me, I am not the freakin American media. I am one person who is spending less than 1% of her daily life on the Olympics. I don't appreciate you taking your frustration with an organization out on me. Again dont assume things about me and put your own bias on me.
Yes I have posted multiple time about who is in first the US or China, I have also posted Korea, Japan, Russia and Armenia.
And I wonder if you are going to complain about 90% of the posts in this thread updating and congratulating England....oh excuse me....Great Britain on the medals they have won.
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I've read severely articles about bronze and silver medallists from previous games who no longer have jobs and beg for food on the streets because they didn't do good enough.
Really! That's so horrible. The only thing I've heard about is China's training routine which starts when the athletes are young and the the Chinese Govt is only congratulating the athletes who win a gold medal, not a bronze or a silver.
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Really! That's so horrible. The only thing I've heard about is China's training routine which starts when the athletes are young and the the Chinese Govt is only congratulating the athletes who win a gold medal, not a bronze or a silver.
Have you seen the picture about the gymnastic 'training'?, that's even worse. I'll try find the story I was reading.
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I don't see why it's childish to like winning, everyone likes winning. Look at how GB is screaming from the rooftops every time we get a gold. It's a nice feeling to be proud of the athletes from your country for winning these medals. You are making it out to be a 'pissing match' which isn't true.

Look at the Armenian who said he's pay 60,000 or something like that for every gold one. Look at how people react when they are destined to win gold and don't. It matters. It might be superficial but it matters and it would matter to me if I knew I could win gold and I failed.

I'm excited that the GB is third in the medal table? Does that make me a bad person?
Just one clarification: it's $600,000, not 60,000 (the money promised for every gold medal).
Hell, if we win a gold, every Armenian will probably gladly contribute with additional $$$.

Now, I happen to strongly believe that it's the participation, and not victory, that matters. However, no one can deny the importance of actually being in Top 3, and as for winning... Someone once said there is no place bitter than the second one; you win a silver, but the thought of just how close you were to gold will always haunt.

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Have you seen the picture about the gymnastic 'training'?, that's even worse. I'll try find the story I was reading.
Here is an article on that: Torture or training? Inside the brutal Chinese gymnasium where the country's future Olympic stars are beaten into shape

I have to say this though; I went to gymnastics (in Russia) as a child as well, and my training was not much better than the Chinese one, horrible as it may sound. Until I was 11 and broke my left leg in three places (in skying accident), I was considering gymnastics seriously. That meant at least 6 to 8 hours of training every day (along with school and extra0urriculum activities) and stretching muscles I didn't even know exist to extreme. Crying from pain was an ordinary experience, but as my trainers said, no pain - no gain.
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First of all, I think you'll find that 'England' is not competing in the Olympic Games. Second, you do also realise that Prince Charles isn't on Twitter? The account that people talk about is a parody, totally fake.

I didn't say that YOU see this as a pissing contest. All over the internet, and on US TV, there's so much angst over whether the US can finish above China in the medal table. The BBC News just ran a report about the obsession in the US in finishing above China. That seems to be the most important thing for most of the American media. You also have posted about whether the US is beating China multiple times.

I have no issue with people enjoying the success of their teams. What I do object to, is using the Olympic Games as some sort of barometer for which country is 'the best'. That is entirely contrary to what the Olympics is all about. The Games are not a competition between nations; it's a competition between athletes. It is becoming a nationalistic 'my country is better than your team' chest-thumping joke.

I fail to see what my opinion of Charlene Wittstock has to do with the Olympic Games.
I've heard from many Americans that NBC is taking it very far in the US vs. Everyone Else. The things they said about Victoria Komova and Aliya Mustafina and all the Russian girls in Gymnastics....

And concerning China; Elaine from Lainey Gossip mentioned that it's not uncommon for Chinese athletes who don't come home with gold to get the beating. I mean, she's Chinese herself and I wouldn't really be surprised.
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I also think that Bolt is a greater Olympian than Phelps.
I don't think he's in Phelps' league--for a very long list of reasons and accomplishments. He is a great athlete, but that's as far as it goes imo.

All he did last night was become the first man to repeat in the 200m, which I personally don't think is that impressive. He's the first to repeat in that race, but hardly the first man to repeat a gold medal performance. But, I don't want to turn this into a Phelps v. Bolt debate (been there, done that) because my main point is: I don't think Bolt is a legend. He thinks he is. I don't. If he can come back again and win gold, then maybe. Carl Lewis, the man he just lashed out at, is a legend, is great. Usain Bolt is arrogant. He always has been, but he just crossed the line as far as I'm concerned last night.

I didn't watch him race.

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I've heard from many Americans that NBC is taking it very far in the US vs. Everyone Else. The things they said about Victoria Komova and Aliya Mustafina and all the Russian girls in Gymnastics....

Well, the U.S. does want to win the medal count. So does China. IMHO-- China takes this much more seriously. From what I've read, I'd hate to come back to China with anything less than gold.

Hmmm...I thought NBC said some nice things about Viktoria and Aliya's talents....which were quite notable. So, I don't know about that one.
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Honestly, I haven't seen anything in the U.S. media that was really concentrated on "beating China" (or anyone else) overall. I mean, in the coverage I've seen, they just show the medal tables as they are, with out much comment. (Though, like I've said, that's just from what I've seen).

My main complaint of the NBC coverage that I've seen (other than the fact that air very few of the major events live) is that they mostly just concentrate on US athletes. There's not much trashing of the other teams or anything, they mostly just ignore them! Though, of course, people like Usain Bolt get plenty of coverage, and Oscar Pistorius has gotten quite a bit as well.
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