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Old 06-10-2012, 08:18 AM
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Hasn't there been previous jubilee celebrations where Charles was photographed next to his mother? He is often photographed with her, there was no need to change the rules for something so trivial as a photo op.
I thought it wonderful to see that instead of HM travelling up the Mall alone with an empty seat beside her, she chose to ride with her son and his wife. All the little asides, laughs and comments that were exchanged made the journey easier for her and maybe a little bit more fun for the three of them as well.

Let's face it, major events in our life are just not as much fun if you don't get to share them with the people you love. But I have to admit, Charles tipping his topper was both amusing and quite lovely. As were the indulgent looks from his wife and his mother!
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:05 PM
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To me, it feels perfectly natural that the Jubilee balcony appearance featured a limited number of family members when Trooping the Colour happens less than two weeks later. Everyone will be on the balcony for that one.
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:56 PM
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Everyone will be on the balcony for that one.
We hope.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:20 PM
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We hope.
If they don't all appear I feel I may lose faith in the British Monarchy!

I am just watching the Service of Thanksgiving now as I am back from holiday and everytime Louise appears I smile. She is delightful. My favourite moment is when they are walking up the aisle after they arrive in procession (Anne and Tim in front of the the Wessex trio) and Louise starts to walk behind Sophie when she should be inbetween. Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie are all giggling fondly at her, it's really cute.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:04 AM
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The Queen has the final say. If anyone doesn't like the way she wants things done I suggest staging an "intervention" and get her straightened out. Obviously she is out of touch with how things should be done, she just doesn't know it.
I have never suggested the Queen does not have the final say or that she is unknowingly out of touch.
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I have been really surprised by the rudeness and sarcasm encountered on this site. I was offering my observations, as a member, on the topic at hand. I expressed my enjoyment of celebrating the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, expressed that I missed Prince Philip's presence, and stated that I would have liked to see a different carriage arrangement that would not have brought up any controversy in the midst of The Queen's Jubilee. (And it did bring up controversy, because it was reported on and noted - and I read the reader responses to that arrangement.) I then suggested that it would have been sweet to see Prince Harry accompany his Grandmother as they were both without escorts, so to speak, and to see The Queen's whole family on the balcony to celebrate and support The Queen. They were merely observations from my perspective and how those particular arrangements made me feel as an observer. But, I don't think they were shocking or treasonous observations. And, I understand that others won't agree or see things the same way. Apparently, some on this sight are only interested in hearing from those who will parrot their own opinions back to them and treating those who do not with contempt.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:50 AM
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If they don't all appear I feel I may lose faith in the British Monarchy!

I am just watching the Service of Thanksgiving now as I am back from holiday and everytime Louise appears I smile. She is delightful. My favourite moment is when they are walking up the aisle after they arrive in procession (Anne and Tim in front of the the Wessex trio) and Louise starts to walk behind Sophie when she should be inbetween. Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie are all giggling fondly at her, it's really cute.
do you have a video link?
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:57 AM
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I have been really surprised by the rudeness and sarcasm encountered on this site. I was offering my observations, as a member, on the topic at hand. I expressed my enjoyment of celebrating the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, expressed that I missed Prince Philip's presence, and stated that I would have liked to see a different carriage arrangement that would not have brought up any controversy in the midst of The Queen's Jubilee. (And it did bring up controversy, because it was reported on and noted - and I read the reader responses to that arrangement.) I then suggested that it would have been sweet to see Prince Harry accompany his Grandmother as they were both without escorts, so to speak, and to see The Queen's whole family on the balcony to celebrate and support The Queen. They were merely observations from my perspective and how those particular arrangements made me feel as an observer. But, I don't think they were shocking or treasonous observations. And, I understand that others won't agree or see things the same way. Apparently, some on this sight are only interested in hearing from those who will parrot their own opinions back to them and treating those who do not with contempt.
I must say we are all passionate about this site and the things we state on this site. We are not going to change how this is done it is our opinion. I for one would have never in a million years would have given my late mother who divorced my father engagement ring to my future wife.William did and after it happened had a good reason why he did. So as you see just because we stated on here does not mean we will change it just that we would have done it differently. By no means does it mean the Queen is out of touch she just choose to do it another way. Lets please be respectful of others. I for one thought the walk in saint Paul was going to be done differently but guess what it was not. In the end no man or women took the Dukes place in the church she stood alone and after seeing that I kind of liked it. God Bless!!!!
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:11 AM
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Does anyone have the full thanksgiving program online yet. For some reason only half of it (not even that it barely started) got taped. Not sure why my tv did that to me. So mostly I got was the reporters repeating the queen will drive down this road. Oh and everyone coming in and the start of it.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:17 AM
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There was a program listed in one of the DM articles from the day.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:39 AM
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The National Service of Thanksgiving
to Celebrate the Diamond Jubilee
of Her Majesty The Queen

pages 1-11
(page 3 blank)

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Here is a copy from the service from earlier in this thread! Sorry it did not transfer ad well ad I would like. It is from page one by Warren.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:44 AM
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I think chelly means an order of service for the event, but I'm not sure :)
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:45 AM
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Tea-n-tiaras, you seem to have a problem with Camilla and her position in the family. The responses have disagreed with you; no more than that. There was some discussion in the press about how Camilla's role has changed over the last 10 years; but its tone was actually pretty positive.

Your suggestion that Clarence House has somehow pushed the Queen into letting Camilla sit beside the Queen or to exclude the rest of the family on the balcony, underestimates entirely the position and power of the Queen. The fact is she decided to have Camilla in the carriage with her; she decided to limit the balcony appearance to her heir and his family, she wanted it that way. If the Queen was comfortable with that who are we to take offence on her behalf?

As to bringing up controversy during the Diamond Jubilee, your post was the only one that did that. I saw no press coverage saying that Camilla should not have been in that carriage and I saw only positive coverage on the decision to limit the number of royals on the balcony. On the whole, the Jubilee went off beautifully, barring obviously the absence of Prince Philip.
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A good ettiquette book, that will teach you to expression your opinion, in a non offensive way, might be in order.
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A good ettiquette book, that will teach you to expression your opinion, in a non offensive way, might be in order.
Presumably this is aimed at me? Thanks for the advice; it's not at all offensive to tell someone that they need to look up an etiquette book to see how to behave.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:18 PM
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I think chelly means an order of service for the event, but I'm not sure :)

Sorry for the confusion I meant video of the whole service. At first I wrote youtube but I wasn't sure if that was appropriate so I deleted it.
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Diamond Jubilee 2012: Queen returns to Buckingham Palace in 1902 horse-drawn carriage | Mail Online

This is one of the articles I read along with the comments readers submitted. I wouldn't pretend to be a Camilla fan. And to be honest seeing her next to The Queen in that setting and on that occasion was jarring to me, as, I adore The Queen and was tuned in to see The Queen. For me, it was a little like a bout of acid reflux in the midst of a pleasant dessert. But, I don't hold Camilla alone responsible for all of the "unpleasantness" that went on in the 80's and 90's. I accept that she is there and part of the family. From the polls I have read, I don't think that the British public is particularly thrilled with her. I think they accept the fact that she is there. They seem more resigned to her presence. I think their enthusiasm for the future really lies with William and Catherine. And, from watching through the years, I believe that the Queen has come to accept her. And I think the palaces have become much more PR savvy and are trying to bolster her acceptance.
I do not understand why people continue to insist that I am saying the Queen is being pushed around. I think the Queen is in a position of authority and that her son, the PoW lobbies his mother for what he would like to see occur. I mean we have gone from the Queen not letting Camilla near her in public to the Jubilee procession. I think the Queen listens to her son. I think the Queen is very astute and realizes if the monarchy is to be in favor with the public she has to be seen to publicly accept Camilla. I think her decisions are based on personal and pragmatic reasons. I just wished they hadn't placed Camilla in the spotlight so prominently in the procession. I thought it detracted from Her Majesty. I am also certain that this was a last minute decision as no one expected Prince Philip to be absent. In retrospect, I would have liked to see a different arrangement. And, if I had been on the Camilla side of the street I wouldn't even have been able to see the Queen through Camilla's giant hat. ;-) (And, I am not saying I disliked her hat - it was lovely - just large.)

I have read many comments on the "streamlined" balcony appearance that felt the balcony looked empty and that they would have preferred to see the Queen surrounded by her family. And I know that the PoW is a big supporter of streamlining the British Royal Family. So, I naturally see his influence at work. I don't think that translates into the PoW "pushing" the Queen around. We are all influenced by the people around us. That doesn't mean they are pushing us around.
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Sorry for the confusion I meant video of the whole service. At first I wrote youtube but I wasn't sure if that was appropriate so I deleted it.
If you type Diamond Jubilee Thanksgiving into youtube you'll get a variety of videos, the entire event hasn't been posted anywhere.

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I think their enthusiasm for the future really lies with William and Catherine.
My opinion, as a british subject is that personally I don't like William and Catherine, I think they're incredibly boring and lacklustre and show no real desire for royal life at all.

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I mean we have gone from the Queen not letting Camilla near her in public to the Jubilee procession.
Between the marriage in 2005 and right now, where has there ever been a suggestion that the Queen herself said she didn't want Camilla anywhere near her in public?

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I thought it detracted from Her Majesty. I am also certain that this was a last minute decision as no one expected Prince Philip to be absent.
It seems like it is you who is ruining the occasion for yourself, you've taken it upon yourself to highlight in your own mind Camilla sitting in that position when you could have just ignored it and focused on The Queen. It was a last minute decision, hence the original arrangement of three carriages instead of two.

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And, if I had been on the Camilla side of the street I wouldn't even have been able to see the Queen through Camilla's giant hat. ;-) (And, I am not saying I disliked her hat - it was lovely - just large.)
I believe Camilla's hat was the same size and HM's just a different style, something Camilla has adopted from HM is that the public like to see their royals so hats with upturned edges are a very good idea.

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And I know that the PoW is a big supporter of streamlining the British Royal Family. So, I naturally see his influence at work.
Actually, Charles has never actually admitted he wants to streamline the royal family, this appeared from the press and stories about Beatrice and Eugenie, it was The Queen's decision to make the balcony appearance as it was and I am under no impression she was lobbied by anyone. If she doesn't like something, she won't do it. We know this from the numerous personal interviews we've seen these past two years
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I don't think that Charles (or Clarence House for that matter) lobbied the Queen about anything to do with the Diamond Jubilee celebrations. Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember reading in various places that over the winter holidays, the BRF has a meeting of what is called the Way Ahead committee which consists of members of the BRF and their advisers. (A brief guide to the British monarchy) This family does not do anything willy nilly and everything is planned well in advance. One reason they were able to pull off the huge funeral for Diana, Princess of Wales in such a short time is that they used the plans that had been set in motion and in fact practiced for the Queen Mother's funeral. They were able to adapt.

I think the reason for the seating in the carriage procession that really made the best sense to me was the one that Jack gave. Common courtesy that both the Queen and Camilla faced forward in the carriage.
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You know, I think I'm an odd one, I loved the carriage procession but hated the balcony layout, and they were exactly the same!
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