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Old 06-05-2012, 03:24 PM
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I do agree with a slimmed down monarchy but I am not understanding today's balcony. How can the children of the FUTURE monarch be seen as being more worthy of being on the balcony than the children of the EXISTING monarch on HER jubilee? If we are going to talk about this being strictly about the succession then it should have been the Queen, Charles and William but Harry was there too . Also, as I have said before, we could have had an initial balcony appearance with all of the children and grandchildren and a secondary appearance with the family of the POW.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:46 PM
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Hm.. as long as the Cambridges don't have any children Prince Harry is still pretty high up in the succession line ! I don't know whether it counts in HM's considerations, but being a son on the heir apparent he's still high up in the royal pecking order!

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I can imagine, what with both the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry being very fixed in the public eye these past couple of years, HM and any of the Royal family's advisers would be quite keen to get the younger generation out there as it would draw a lot more publicity to the thought of patron roles and other roles that the royal family have always been involved in.
As bad as it may sound I can't imagine the general public or the media would have as much interest in seeing the Princess Royal, the Duke of York or the Earl of Wessex doing these duties.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:47 PM
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This is a lovely photo of Her Majesty arriving back at the home digs. Queen Elizabeth II Holds A Bouquet Of Flowers As She
But look to the right at the young lady at the door. Has she borrowed someone's uniform to sneak a peak and the royals coming back home?
Those two ladies in uniform were supposed to be the drivers of the third carriage if Prince Philip had been well enough to attend. I heard that the driver usually leaves a small posy in the carriage for the Queen. When the third carriage was not needed, she had the posy anyway and opted to deliver it in person to the Queen when she returned.

This was all inside the quadrangle of Buckingham Palace. I'm sure you need to do lots more than just "borrow" someone's uniform to get that deep into the security perimeter of the palace on a day like this!
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Just a small side note - looking at the pictures from today, I thought that Zara looked pregnant....or the dress was just not fitting.

Queen's Diamond Jubilee: Camilla leads the way in gold as royals don their finest for Queen's Thanksgiving service | Mail Online
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:59 PM
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Just a small side note - looking at the pictures from today, I thought that Zara looked pregnant....or the dress was just not fitting.

Queen's Diamond Jubilee: Camilla leads the way in gold as royals don their finest for Queen's Thanksgiving service | Mail Online
For now, I'd assume it was the latter. If Zara was far along enough for a pregnancy to show at this point, she'd automatically be out of the Olympics.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:06 PM
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The more I think of it, the more I think the group on the balcony was just right. If the balcony was full, the criticism would be that the monarchy is bloated and just getting bigger and bigger all the time. This way, she wasn't up there all alone but also she was not crowded out by too many people - the focus was all on HM.

If there were to be any change, the only one I think would make sense would be to replace Charles' children with the Queen's children - that would still keep the number of people low
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:20 PM
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It's been tons of fun this past weekend, I've enjoyed sharing it with all of you. What a great way to end it, now I'm off to party and celebrate one more time. I'll see you guys next week for more fun royal events!
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:18 PM
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With regards to the balcony controversy; the first thing we all need to remember is that this is obviously the way the Queen wanted it. She sets the tone and the parameters for what happens. It's certainly not a snub to HM's children as I just don't think she would ever do that.

Secondly; if you look at the seating arrangement in the royal box at the concert last night, The Queen was joined in the front row by 3 of her 4 children (I assume Edward and Sophie had to make way for the Archbishop of Canterbury whose attendance must have been some sort of retirement gift from the Queen). The Cambridges and Harry were relegated to the second row. I felt the concert was the highlight of the weekend so I think they got the better end of the deal.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:54 PM
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Anyone notice how cheeky Catherine and Harry were on the balcony? I loved it.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:59 PM
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Well the DM did. For the better or the worse as usual :

Queen's Diamond Jubilee 2012: William, Kate and Harry are as thick as thieves | Mail Online
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:07 PM
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To me, if the balcony appearance went the way the Queen wanted then that's the end of the story.
I can see several potential reasons for limiting the people on the balcony today, including the fact that presumably the entire family, or close to it, will be appearing next week.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:17 PM
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There were apparently around 40+ members of the extended family in St Pauls today. People always grumble about a bloated and ever growing royal family when the entire crowd appears on the balcony.
Today sent a message.....here is your monarch, your future monarch and his family...this is the future.
Besides the rest of the gang can appear on the balcony after Trooping the Colour if she decides that is what she wants.
I doubt anything that happened today happened without her having the final say. As William said "you don't cross my grandmother".
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:55 PM
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I do agree with a slimmed down monarchy but I am not understanding today's balcony. How can the children of the FUTURE monarch be seen as being more worthy of being on the balcony than the children of the EXISTING monarch on HER jubilee? If we are going to talk about this being strictly about the succession then it should have been the Queen, Charles and William but Harry was there too . Also, as I have said before, we could have had an initial balcony appearance with all of the children and grandchildren and a secondary appearance with the family of the POW.
I thought about that, too. I came to my personal conclusion that the Queen wanted the Jubilee to focus on her position as souverain, not on her personally. It's not like the British celebrated her birthday or her marriage anniversery but her 60 years of reign. Her family besides the POW-branch has not much to do with that, IMHO. Of course they are related to her and to Charles but when it comes to the succession, the first three in line were there plus wifes, who are future Queen Consorts. Let's face it: Harry at the moment is William's heir as long as William is not yet a father.

The queen IMHO knows exactly that she is a very old lady by now and that it is time to prepare the people for her demise and Charles' ascension. Of course, nobody actually wants that and all hope that it will be a day far away in the wider future, but that day will come and there's the 6xP-rule: Proper Pre-Planning Prevents Poor Performance. So the focus at the Jubilee was the queen and her husband, her heir and his wife, the heir's heir and his wife plus the heir's heir's heir. For these people will take center stage in the next years, not a gaggle of less senior Royals. Of course they will be there to celebrate the birthday (or so I guess) but the Diamond Jubilee was not only about the past but of the direct future of the monarchy.
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I accept that this is what the Queen wanted, I agree with the concept of a slimmed down Royal Family and, as a Camilla supporter, I'm pleased that at the acknowledgement of her acceptance as a member of the Royal Family.

I remain disappointed that all of the Queen's children could not have been on the balcony with her. If the focus was going to be on succession then it would have been apporopriate for just the Queen, Charles and William (withour Camilla, Kate and Harry).

I think the Queen's cousins have given her incredible support over the past 60 years but if there had to be a slimmed down appearance then I would have preferred either the Queen, her children, grandchildren and their spouses or the just the Queen and her children.
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I think that because the Queen feels that Phillip is such a support, that is why Camilla and Catherine were included. They will each be their husband's - the monarch's- support.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:22 PM
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Anyone notice how cheeky Catherine and Harry were on the balcony? I loved it.
Harry said how much he's always wanted a sister, and now he's enjoying it.
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Harry said how much he's always wanted a sister, and now he's enjoying it.
Yup! That about sums it up! :)
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Until William has children, Harry is the 3rd in line to the throne. Had Harry had a spouse she probably would have been on the balcony also, as would have Prince Phillip if he had not been in hospital. It was the line of succession along with spouses.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:05 PM
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I think this is exactly what the Queen felt was best. I would be willing to bet that she called them by their titles when she stated who she wanted "on" and "not on" the balcony. It was purely looked at as "Head of The Firm", and where we are going. I agree with her. Next is Charles, then (hopefully) much further out is one of the boys. I enjoyed Charles Tribute to The Queen on the BBC. However, it was more film of him and everyone else, along with him laughing at the films. I would have laughed if I was in the same position. They were pretty funny. It seemed like a Tribute/meet the Heir Apparent.

80% approval rating. Work it while you got it! I am sure this is for another post, but based on my observation, skipping Charles (for any reason) would do more harm than good to the monarchy.

You are right Kitty. Who would have thought. Go back and look at pictures of the two of them in say, 1964. Charles was all nose and ears, and women were throwing themselves at Paul. Charles' head grew into his ears and nose, and Paul grew jowls.
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