Crown Prince Tamim & Princess Iman of Jordan: Possible Marriage?

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by Sonjapearl

What does that mean "bear all the burdens"? There is something sexist about that, but you probably don't mean it like that. And why can't a woman have more than one husband? If a man can, but a woman can't, it is sexist. Also, there is something adulterous about polygamy as it requires someone to not fulfill their vows because they are taking care of someone else.

Normally this is not the right thread here to extensive discuss this topic . If you are very interested in this subject and other mysteries and secrets in the Gulf countries, you are welcome in the members corner:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ons-32797.html

"Bear al burdens" means, that in my culture the husband pay for all (for the housing, clothing, food, education and upbringing of children, health care and so on). If a man has more than one wife, so he has it to do for all his wives in the same way. The woman has no obligation to go to work and to make money. Achieved a woman income, the money belongs to her. It is also not obliged to use her income to the family.

Polygamy is only an option for the man if he is able to bear the responsibility for all his wives fairly. He has to respect all his wives equally. And ultimately is mutual consent a key to anything.

[El Sheikha]

Hi was scrolling a bit and found the question about why women can't take more men at the same time. I guess it's difficult to find out when a woman gets pregnant...??

[kathia_sophia]

men having multiple wives and not a women have multiple husbands since ancient times, its not because of the men income or bear responsability and care for all his wives in my point of view, it lies all in bearing children: if a women has multiple husbands she can only be pregnant from time to time, meanwhile a men with multiple wives can bear lots of his kids at the same time thus having a large number of children.
all i can say is that that was the main priority in ancient times, a family had to be large and have lots of heirs and spares in case of diseases, mortality and inheritance...

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by El Sheikha

Hi was scrolling a bit and found the question about why women can't take more men at the same time. I guess it's difficult to find out when a woman gets pregnant...??

Still that doesn't justify the fact that it's ragingly discriminating that men can be married to several women whereas women can't be married to more than one man. Also there are DNA test to find out stuff like that.

[El Sheikha]

@Z. Yes, easy DNA. But I'm mean about the mental way. I don't think it's mentally healthy to check every pregnancy: From who??
The disappointments are breaking people down etc..I believe it's logical to spare these misery and uncertain..just an example as a human not as moslim. :-).

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

Still that doesn't justify the fact that it's ragingly discriminating that men can be married to several women whereas women can't be married to more than one man........

Do you think that there are many women would like to be married to more than one man? Most men that I know, can not imagine having more than one wife, even though the law allows them theoretically.

In the world there are different norms and value systems. It is a sign of awareness of these differences and a sign of respect to accept it as the value of the culture of another people. The objective should not be to eliminate these differences but to understand them as a component of the life of another person.

To show respect for something else does not mean that you to adapt it to your own life. Consider: Culture isn´t static. Automatically some modifications to "outdated" traditional values ​​or perspectives be effected by the change of generations and an increase in education of persons in these societies. I know of no culture in the world which could claim to be better than all others. Injustice seems to be at home everywhere, unfortunately.

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by kathia_sophia

men having multiple wives and not a women have multiple husbands since ancient times, its not because of the men income or bear responsability and care for all his wives in my point of view, it lies all in bearing children: if a women has multiple husbands she can only be pregnant from time to time, meanwhile a men with multiple wives can bear lots of his kids at the same time thus having a large number of children.
all i can say is that that was the main priority in ancient times, a family had to be large and have lots of heirs and spares in case of diseases, mortality and inheritance...

In certain cultures and regions of the world a large progeny is still one of the wealth of society and helps the family to preserve their clan or tribe and their family influence on politics. Couples without children are very regrets from others. Even if these people have decided consciously against to raise own children.

[kathia_sophia]

^exactly, that's what i meant. nowadays we see that too.

if the world reaches to an end (im talking to the extreme and the worst case scenario), it would be more logical 1 men to 10 women instead of the suicidal of humanity if it was 1 women to 10 men. (she could be infertile, die at birth, ...)

even though im a women, it cant be compared 1 men with multiple wives from 1 women with multiple husbands. however, maybe in history of mankind it happened, i remenber i saw a Japanese Movie called Ooku, where the Female Shogun had lots of men for her only and i wondered if something like that ever happened in Japan or other countries where a female ruled. (Queen Seon Deok of Sillah had several husbands or one at time? i remenber on her bio that it was listed several husbands)

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by kathia_sophia

^exactly, that's what i meant. nowadays we see that too.

if the world reaches to an end (im talking to the extreme and the worst case scenario), it would be more logical 1 men to 10 women instead of the suicidal of humanity if it was 1 women to 10 men. (she could be infertile, die at birth, ...)

even though im a women, it cant be compared 1 men with multiple wives from 1 women with multiple husbands. however, maybe in history of mankind it happened, i remenber i saw a Japanese Movie called Ooku, where the Female Shogun had lots of men for her only and i wondered if something like that ever happened in Japan or other countries where a female ruled. (Queen Seon Deok of Sillah had several husbands or one at time? i remenber on her bio that it was listed several husbands)

I once read somewhere that in South America live a native tribe, in which the woman can be married to more than one man at the same time. Unfortunately I forgot the name of the tribe. But back to the main topic of the thread here.....

[Banchelor]

I think in this wikipedia article are mentioned some ethnic groups where is allowed to have multiple husbands Polyandry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by Banchelor

I think in this wikipedia article are mentioned some ethnic groups where is allowed to have multiple husbands Polyandry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for enlightening us. Interestingly, comprehensive article!

[PrincessaAnisa]

Not sure if anyone cares, but the Islamic perspective about this is obviously relevant to the JRF. :) Islamically...prophets Moses and Solomon, peace be upon them, among other prophets, had hundreds of wives before Islam came about as it exists now. This often isn't discussed simply out of respect for these prophets. Their plural marriages reflected the general practice at the time, one in which men took an unlimited number of wives without any rules or equality regulations involved. When Islam came about, limiting this practice to 4 wives was a serious, serious improvement. Unheard of for the people at the time.

But more importantly, this Qur'anic verse came down during a war time, when men were dying left and right and women were left as widows at home, with children, without jobs, without protection, and without support in a land where it was difficult for women to be independent and safe in the same way we know it today. The ultimate purpose of this Qur'anic verse was to provide women with the opportunity to gain protection, monetary support, a home, etc., at a time when women were so limited. Many Muslims today believe that one should not EVER take more than one wife unless it is precisely for this purpose - to provide a widow support she could not receive independently. This is the context in which the verse was revealed, and everything must be taken in context. It is NOT a free for all for men...of course, some take more than one wife just because they want to. Respectfully, that is not reflective of the true purpose of the verse/ruling.

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by PrincessaAnisa

Not sure if anyone cares, but the Islamic perspective about this is obviously relevant to the JRF. :) Islamically...prophets Moses and Solomon, peace be upon them, among other prophets, had hundreds of wives before Islam came about as it exists now. This often isn't discussed simply out of respect for these prophets. Their plural marriages reflected the general practice at the time, one in which men took an unlimited number of wives without any rules or equality regulations involved. When Islam came about, limiting this practice to 4 wives was a serious, serious improvement. Unheard of for the people at the time.

But more importantly, this Qur'anic verse came down during a war time, when men were dying left and right and women were left as widows at home, with children, without jobs, without protection, and without support in a land where it was difficult for women to be independent and safe in the same way we know it today. The ultimate purpose of this Qur'anic verse was to provide women with the opportunity to gain protection, monetary support, a home, etc., at a time when women were so limited. Many Muslims today believe that one should not EVER take more than one wife unless it is precisely for this purpose - to provide a widow support she could not receive independently. This is the context in which the verse was revealed, and everything must be taken in context. It is NOT a free for all for men...of course, some take more than one wife just because they want to. Respectfully, that is not reflective of the true purpose of the verse/ruling.

I completely agree with you, PrincessaAnisa! Thanks for the good and compact summary.

[Elessar]

So where are we at regarding Princess Iman and an engagement?

[Biri]

Originally Posted by PrincessaAnisa

prophets Moses and Solomon, had hundreds of wives

With Solomon it's true but, AFAIK, Moses had only one wife: Sephora.

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by Elessar

So where are we at regarding Princess Iman and an engagement?

Sorry, we are off topic. But there are no official news at the moment about the engagement.

[soraya]

I don't know if this link has been already posted here and if this is the right place to do it.
Crown prince Tamim was seen in Paris last saturday with his wife sheikha Jawaheer
Noblesse & Royautés » Le prince héritier du Qatar à Paris

[Burzg]

Originally Posted by soraya

I don't know if this link has been already posted here and if this is the right place to do it.
Crown prince Tamim was seen in Paris last saturday with his wife sheikha Jawaheer
Noblesse & Royautés » Le prince héritier du Qatar à Paris

I still think is a rumor of their engagement, since he have kids and still married.

[Banchelor]

Lol i didn't know that also Middle Eastern royals are haunted by paparazzis

[Biri]

Originally Posted by Burzg

I still think is a rumor of their engagement, since he have kids and still married.

Now we know that is NOT TRUE - Princess Iman's heart belongs to Zayed Mirza:

http://www.petra.gov.jo/Public_News/...e=Home&GType=1

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