Wedding of William and Catherine: Suggestions and Musings

[Hissy]

I am stunned that the Palace had to issue an "explanation" of how the bridal selections were made. And that is because of an intrusive press and some of its members, like some in this forum, who make unwarranted assumptions.

Let's leave them alone. She is marrying the heir and that puts an entire different cast on things. And Catherine has known him and his family for a number of years, so she likely knows most or all these youngsters and their parents. And she may have no one in her close family to whom she might feel comfortable turning to.

I have empathy for this young couple who have every decision they make dissected by those who have absolutely no way of knowing what's really going on. Yes, lovely to be royal, but also it is an often a truly heavy burden.

I feel sorry for them too, all that ugly money, and boring fame.... Poor little buggers....

William has little choice since he was born into the royal family. Kate could change her mind if she wanted. At least he is not the heir, he is the son of the heir to the throne so it will be at lot easier for now. I'm assuming her siblings don't have children so why not throw the multitude of attendant choices to Prince William. Plus when the couple of three year olds start throwing fits Kate can say: "It's not my fault!"

 

[Mirabel]

But they aren't the British. Everyone expects pomp and ceremony. Thats why no one does it like the BRF.

Exactly! If you're going to do something, do it right!

Personally, I suspect Kate deliberately chose the car because she doesn't want her dress crushed into the glass coach! It's said to be a very tight space; I read somewhere it took about half an hour to fit Diana's dress into it. And it was a mass of wrinkles when she got out- not what you want on your wedding day.

 

[Sherlock221B]

Exactly! If you're going to do something, do it right!

Foot Guards, Royal Marines, Royal Navy and the RAF Colour Squadron should all be lining the route. Household cavalry should escort the carriage from Westminster Abbey back to Buckingham Palace. Bands from each branch should march in front of the carriage. There should also be a RAF flyover including the Battle of Britain. Perhaps the Irish Guards should be mounting guard duty that day since William is now their first royal colonel...

If I have left out anything do not hesitate to make any additions...

 

[jdcharlie]

Perhaps the Irish Guards should be mounting guard duty that day since William is now their first royal colonel...

The Irish Guards will have a role in the wedding. (Side bar)
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The Queen gave her consent to the marriage at the Privy Council
http://www.privy-council.org.uk/files/pdf/website list 9 feb 2011.pdf

My Lords, I declare My Consent to a Contract of Matrimony between My Most Dearly Beloved Grandson Prince William Arthur Philip Louis of Wales and Catherine Elizabeth Middleton, which Consent I am causing to be signified under the Great Seal and to be entered in the Books of the Privy Council.

 

[Queen Penelope]

I've just been going through The Princess Royal's jewellry thread for a picture of the Greek Key/Meander Tiara. I've been learning how to make circlets the last year, for LOTR Conventions/Medieval Reenactments, and am gradually getting my feet wet w/making Tiaras w/beads, wire and fake gemstones and think this might be a good one for me to take a whirl at recreating/making a lookalike. Anyway....

As we all know, at the beginning of all threads here, that particular Royal's Coat of Arms is displayed. Seeing Anne's got me pondering and...I wonder what Kate's will look like. IIRC, Diana's had Spencer CoA references/symbols on hers. Kate's not from a Noble Family though, so how does this happen in a case like Kate?

Just wondering... )

Sophie isn't from a noble family and she had no problems coming up with her CoA (right?), I think Kate will come up with something just fine!

 

[roseroyal]

I missed the announcement of the bridesmaids and pages. Can someone fill me in?

 

[Mirabel]

Foot Guards, Royal Marines, Royal Navy and the RAF Colour Squadron should all be lining the route. Household cavalry should escort the carriage from Westminster Abbey back to Buckingham Palace. Bands from each branch should march in front of the carriage. There should also be a RAF flyover including the Battle of Britain. Perhaps the Irish Guards should be mounting guard duty that day since William is now their first royal colonel...

If I have left out anything do not hesitate to make any additions...

Sounds good to me.


Maybe an archway with sabers?
And red, white, and blue bunting across the roadway every few feet?
And a hundred-gun salute?
And...I'll be quiet now.

 

[Lady Ann]

I think this is a re-print... I think I have read this before.


Kate picks mom-in-law Diana's design label? - Hindustan Times#

 

[Lumutqueen]

I missed the announcement of the bridesmaids and pages. Can someone fill me in?

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ss-catherine-middleton-29332.html#post1204850

 

[roseroyal]

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ss-catherine-middleton-29332.html#post1204850

Thanks!

 

[Stefan]

Exactly! If you're going to do something, do it right!

Personally, I suspect Kate deliberately chose the car because she doesn't want her dress crushed into the glass coach! It's said to be a very tight space; I read somewhere it took about half an hour to fit Diana's dress into it. And it was a mass of wrinkles when she got out- not what you want on your wedding day.

But as far as i remeber Sarah had no problems with her gown and she also travelled in the glass coach. I think the problem with Dians dress was because of the huge train it needed so much space and in a documentary i saw recently one of the designers said they didn't know that the glass coach would be so small and there would be not much space in the coach.

 

[KittyAtlanta]

Exactly! If you're going to do something, do it right!

Personally, I suspect Kate deliberately chose the car because she doesn't want her dress crushed into the glass coach! It's said to be a very tight space; I read somewhere it took about half an hour to fit Diana's dress into it. And it was a mass of wrinkles when she got out- not what you want on your wedding day.

Hummmmm....is she going to wear a "cupcake" dress then? Diana's dress was a beautiful monster and she used the coach. Perhaps HM nixed the use of the Glass Coach, as Kate is marrying the heir to the heir. Makes me wonder.

Sounds good to me.


Maybe an archway with sabers?
And red, white, and blue bunting across the roadway every few feet?
And a hundred-gun salute?
And...I'll be quiet now.

You are wicked, Mirabel.

 

[Jacknch]

But they aren't the British. Everyone expects pomp and ceremony. Thats why no one does it like the BRF.

Well yes of course I agree that no one does it quite as well as the BRF! I really do not think anyone will be disappointed with the pageantry though, even if horse-drawn carriages will be limited this time. It's the first royal wedding at Westminster Abbey for 25 years and the austere majesty of the event will be unforgetable!

 

[firebee34]

Hummmmm....is she going to wear a "cupcake" dress then? Diana's dress was a beautiful monster and she used the coach. Perhaps HM nixed the use of the Glass Coach, as Kate is marrying the heir to the heir. Makes me wonder.

From what I have read, The Queen is not happy about the limo. She wanted the coach. As for the dress, I sure hope it is a cupcake dress. Or at least has a long train with lots of sparklies

 

[Russophile]

If she is riding in a car to and carriage from- she may just be covering her bases. I'm allergic to lots of things- I would do the same thing. Riding in a carriage on the way there leaves the possibility open for an allergic reaction on a day that is going to go down in history. Riding in a carriage on the way back leaves an avenue for "tradition" while she also has the option of grabbing a shower at some point on the way back if she has problems with the horses.

Just my two cents- but hey- I'm allergic to practically the entire pharmaceutical industry so I might be biased.

Which is why one would load up on Primatine or an equivalent, plenty of tasteful perfume and a hefty swipe of a powerful anti-deoderant.

 

[firebee34]

anything but plain and boring

 

[Skippy]

From what I have read, The Queen is not happy about the limo. She wanted the coach. As for the dress, I sure hope it is a cupcake dress. Or at least has a long train with lots of sparklies

Where have you read that she is not happy about the limo and wanted the coach?

I hope her dress will be grand; not cupcake-like grand but elegantly grand.

 

[Jaya]

Riding in a car to Westminster and then returning in the carriage which will already be out and waiting makes no sense to me unless it is to signify that Catherine is going as commoner and returning as a royal.However since the cost would be approx the same why not take the carriage. This has nothing to do with crushing the dress unless that dress by any wild circumstance is that of Diana's as well. I undersatand the queen mum when she married went in ordinary horse drawn and returned in the other. not sure

 

[NGalitzine]

Riding in a car to Westminster and then returning in the carriage which will already be out and waiting makes no sense to me unless it is to signify that Catherine is going as commoner and returning as a royal.However since the cost would be approx the same why not take the carriage. This has nothing to do with crushing the dress unless that dress by any wild circumstance is that of Diana's as well. I undersatand the queen mum when she married went in ordinary horse drawn and returned in the other. not sure

Princess Alexandra of Kent arrived at the Abbey by car and left by coach so I don't believe it has anything to do with the commoner becoming a royal idea. You can check out Alexandra's wedding on Youtube, there seemed to be enough pomp to please everyone despite the lack of carriages.

 

[firebee34]

Where have you read that she is not happy about the limo and wanted the coach?

I hope her dress will be grand; not cupcake-like grand but elegantly grand.

I believe it was NBC news here in the USA that said the Queen was not pleased with the choice of the Limo. I also heard it on one of the TLC channel specials about the royal wedding.

 

[MARG]

. . . . . . . . I understand the queen mum when she married went in ordinary horse drawn and returned in the other. not sure

Limousines were not very common in April of 1923. Many families still owned carriages instead of motor cars at that time so I am guessing that there is not a lot that can be read into her travelling to the Abbey by carriage.

 

[jdcharlie]

I believe it was NBC news here in the USA that said the Queen was not pleased with the choice of the Limo. I also heard it on one of the TLC channel specials about the royal wedding.

The US news picked it up from an American reporter who wrote an article for the HuffPost (complete with direct quotes! ). Several British royal reporters have called it rubbish.

 

[4Pam]

I found this video on their accents very interesting.

Wedding Royale: The Future King’s Speech - Yahoo! News

 

[Jaya]

Limousines were not very common in April of 1923. Many families still owned carriages instead of motor cars at that time so I am guessing that there is not a lot that can be read into her travelling to the Abbey by carriage.

Marg: guess again then; Elizabeth was picked up in front of her house or place of residence and got into the carriage without assistance.I have watched the footage of it.Perhaps you cannot read into it but that does not mean that there was not actually a reason for it. I think I will start to read the Queen Mum's gargantuan biography to find out more.Catherines's decison is typical of what is going on in the wedding itself.If Wills goes to the abbey in a carriage then Catherine should.Unless there is a shortage of carriages.Also to answer post 2720 by NGalitzine.The question here is what excactly is the point of taking a limo- is it the gown? is it something else- can U explain instead of deriding and saying not this and not that . What is it that prompts anyone to do that?
Could it simply be the gown and the train? Could it be security measure?

 

[Saragli]

I have to disagree with the whole accent thing, whilst William speech is nowhere like his father or grandmother I still consider it quite posh. Kate on the other hand seems extremely posh, my suspicion is that the accent is put on and may have had vocal coaching. At the final unbroadcast bit of the engagement interview, you see Kate say "I'm not very good at that" and it sounds like a normal english accent and not like the posher accent she used during the interview.

 

[jdcharlie]

I have to disagree with the whole accent thing, whilst William speech is nowhere like his father or grandmother I still consider it quite posh. Kate on the other hand seems extremely posh, my suspicion is that the accent is put on and may have had vocal coaching. At the final unbroadcast bit of the engagement interview, you see Kate say "I'm not very good at that" and it sounds like a normal english accent and not like the posher accent she used during the interview.

I'm far from an expert, but Kate sounds a lot like Eugenie, who also went to Marlborough. So maybe it's a school thing. Notably, Eugenie does not sound that much like her sister who went to a different school. I also read recently a piece by a royal reporter who had spoken to her before and said she sounded the same in the interview. I'll see if I can find it...

 

[Stefan]

Marg: guess again then; Elizabeth was picked up in front of her house or place of residence and got into the carriage without assistance.I have watched the footage of it.Perhaps you cannot read into it but that does not mean that there was not actually a reason for it. I think I will start to read the Queen Mum's gargantuan biography to find out more.Catherines's decison is typical of what is going on in the wedding itself.If Wills goes to the abbey in a carriage then Catherine should.Unless there is a shortage of carriages.Also to answer post 2720 by NGalitzine.The question here is what excactly is the point of taking a limo- is it the gown? is it something else- can U explain instead of deriding and saying not this and not that . What is it that prompts anyone to do that?
Could it simply be the gown and the train? Could it be security measure?

Ther is certainly no shortage at carriages. At the Wedding of Charles and Diana the entire Royal Family (from the Queen up to Prince and Princess Michale of Kent) travelled in open carriages and there is also a vast collection of closed carriages.

 

[Kataryn]

Marg: guess again then; Elizabeth was picked up in front of her house or place of residence and got into the carriage without assistance.I have watched the footage of it.Perhaps you cannot read into it but that does not mean that there was not actually a reason for it. I think I will start to read the Queen Mum's gargantuan biography to find out more.Catherines's decison is typical of what is going on in the wedding itself.If Wills goes to the abbey in a carriage then Catherine should.Unless there is a shortage of carriages.Also to answer post 2720 by NGalitzine.The question here is what excactly is the point of taking a limo- is it the gown? is it something else- can U explain instead of deriding and saying not this and not that . What is it that prompts anyone to do that?
Could it simply be the gown and the train? Could it be security measure?

Could it be her allergy against horses? A young bridesmaid at Charles' and Diana's wedding, I think it was Indira Hicks, travelled back from St. Paul's
to BP in the Glass Coach and had an allergy attack there. Probably the Coach, as it is historic, is not really closed and the horses are quite near. So it's believable that hairs of the horses are whisked through the tail moves into the coach. That was no problem for Diana, obviously, but could become a problem for Catherine. And just imagine what happens if the bride has an allergic attack on the way to the wedding?

On the way back they use an open carriage (if weather permits it, if there is April rain, I bet they'll switch to the limo), where the concentration of horse hairs is minimal compared to a closed carriage, so Catherine suely can cope. She could take a bit of anti histamines while they are away to sign the registry and then walk out of the church with William, manage the ride to BP and have a bit of a pause if necessary then without the public noticing it.

For me this makes much more sense than risk the wedding service.

 

[wymanda]

Could it be her allergy against horses?

For heaven's sake there are numerous medications you can take &, given the fact that Catherine regularly attends the Polo with William, I'm pretty sure she already takes something to alleviate the symptoms. I would hazard a guess that they are not really that severe. She has also been seen regularly at the races so it can't be as bad as people on these boards are making out.

 

[MARG]

You are absolutely correct wymanda. I think this allergy is just supposition gone crazy, expecially on this thread. I't gotten so bad one would would be forgiven for thinking she would go into anaphalactic shock if she came within a couple of yards of a horse!

Catherine's choice to ride to the Abbey in a car could just as easily be put down to her being more than a little nervous and totally exposed with just her and her father in a carriage, a situation neither of them are used to. Or, she could just hate carriages . . . . . . who knows? Who cares? We can all go round in ever decreasing circles when it just comes down to nothing more than their own personal choice. Nothing more and nothing less!