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Old 12-06-2010, 04:54 PM
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To throw my own two cents in the pot, if a man proposed to me with a ring that had been in his family for generations and I threw it back in his face because I hadn't gotten to pick it out or because it wasn't new, do you know what that would make me look like?

A greedy, materialistic shrew.

When a man proposes marriage, the ring itself is secondary to the fact this person whom you deeply love wants to spend the rest of their life with you. He could give you a ring that came from a $0.25 machine and if you truly love him and want to marry him, you'll wear that ring on your finger with as much pride as you would a diamond from Tiffany's. The idea that if a man proposes with an heirloom ring or a ring that belonged to a beloved family member, it means they want to marry their mother/grandmother/great-grandmother/other relative or that they don't really love you is just a pile of wank.
Why such a categorical opinion?
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Old 12-06-2010, 04:58 PM
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Why such a categorical opinion?

Categorical? What?
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:00 PM
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To throw my own two cents in the pot, if a man proposed to me with a ring that had been in his family for generations and I threw it back in his face because I hadn't gotten to pick it out or because it wasn't new, do you know what that would make me look like?

A greedy, materialistic shrew.

When a man proposes marriage, the ring itself is secondary to the fact this person whom you deeply love wants to spend the rest of their life with you. He could give you a ring that came from a $0.25 machine and if you truly love him and want to marry him, you'll wear that ring on your finger with as much pride as you would a diamond from Tiffany's. The idea that if a man proposes with an heirloom ring or a ring that belonged to a beloved family member, it means they want to marry their mother/grandmother/great-grandmother/other relative or that they don't really love you is just a pile of wank.
Abolsutely right on.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:18 PM
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When a man proposes marriage, the ring itself is secondary to the fact this person whom you deeply love wants to spend the rest of their life with you. He could give you a ring that came from a $0.25 machine and if you truly love him and want to marry him, you'll wear that ring on your finger with as much pride as you would a diamond from Tiffany's. The idea that if a man proposes with an heirloom ring or a ring that belonged to a beloved family member, it means they want to marry their mother/grandmother/great-grandmother/other relative or that they don't really love you is just a pile of wank.

I agree, it was a lovely sentimental gesture :)
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:25 PM
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I don't think they could have married during Lent, so it had to be after Easter.

The Archbishop of Canterbury raised that arguement with Queen Victoria when the date was announced for the marriage of The Prince of Wales in 1863 and she replied along the lines of - it was the best time to marry due to the time of the religious year and Edward VII and Alexandra did exactly that - married during Lent.

As way more people were practising Christians then and the rulings of the Church were more strictly adhered to if the heir to the throne could marry in Lent in the 1860s there is no reason why the 2nd in line couldn't marry in Lent in 2011.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:29 PM
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To throw my own two cents in the pot, if a man proposed to me with a ring that had been in his family for generations and I threw it back in his face because I hadn't gotten to pick it out or because it wasn't new, do you know what that would make me look like?

A greedy, materialistic shrew.

When a man proposes marriage, the ring itself is secondary to the fact this person whom you deeply love wants to spend the rest of their life with you. He could give you a ring that came from a $0.25 machine and if you truly love him and want to marry him, you'll wear that ring on your finger with as much pride as you would a diamond from Tiffany's. The idea that if a man proposes with an heirloom ring or a ring that belonged to a beloved family member, it means they want to marry their mother/grandmother/great-grandmother/other relative or that they don't really love you is just a pile of wank.
Now I completely understood the meaning of your opinion,do agree
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:04 PM
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Sometime a woman might not like the style or the type of engagement ring that is sentimental to her husband to be or other family. In order not to cause hurt feelings or cause bad feelings, most of the time they will accept the ring. I don't know that this is the case with Prince William and Catherine but I've known of a few cases where this occurred. I also known women who told their partner that they didn't want family heirlooms. They wanted their own engagement rings.
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:13 PM
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I know women who agreed to wear an heirloom ring that they really didn't care for because of the style etc....and on their fifth anniversary, or the birth of their first child, their husbands presented them with an anniversary band that they then replaced the heirloom with, with the old ring being put away for their children to use if they chose. It may well be that William will give Kate such a ring later on. Who knows. Kate is a very strong minded young woman, and I seriously doubt she would have accepted the ring just to keep the peace. If she had doubts about it, chances are she would have voiced them. She and William have been together too long for her to just take whatever is offered without having her say about it.
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:16 PM
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No one has said it, but would you want to be constantly compared to your dead would be mother-in-law who was iconic as Diana?
Anyone who has ever had a mother in law knows you will be compared to her- for good or bad reasons. For heavens sake, let these two kids alone. Surely you have more important things to worry about than whether this ring is bad luck, or bad taste.
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:17 PM
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To throw my own two cents in the pot, if a man proposed to me with a ring that had been in his family for generations and I threw it back in his face because I hadn't gotten to pick it out or because it wasn't new, do you know what that would make me look like?

A greedy, materialistic shrew.

When a man proposes marriage, the ring itself is secondary to the fact this person whom you deeply love wants to spend the rest of their life with you. He could give you a ring that came from a $0.25 machine and if you truly love him and want to marry him, you'll wear that ring on your finger with as much pride as you would a diamond from Tiffany's. The idea that if a man proposes with an heirloom ring or a ring that belonged to a beloved family member, it means they want to marry their mother/grandmother/great-grandmother/other relative or that they don't really love you is just a pile of wank.
Right on!

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Old 12-06-2010, 07:19 PM
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To throw my own two cents in the pot, if a man proposed to me with a ring that had been in his family for generations and I threw it back in his face because I hadn't gotten to pick it out or because it wasn't new, do you know what that would make me look like?

A greedy, materialistic shrew.

When a man proposes marriage, the ring itself is secondary to the fact this person whom you deeply love wants to spend the rest of their life with you. He could give you a ring that came from a $0.25 machine and if you truly love him and want to marry him, you'll wear that ring on your finger with as much pride as you would a diamond from Tiffany's. The idea that if a man proposes with an heirloom ring or a ring that belonged to a beloved family member, it means they want to marry their mother/grandmother/great-grandmother/other relative or that they don't really love you is just a pile of wank.
Thank God- someone on this board has some sense
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:40 PM
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A man who gives you an engagement ring which is a family heirloom holds you in very high regard. The ring means a lot to him. Not many women get a family heirloom from the groom's side as an engagement ring as if the engagement is broken, the ring might not be returned even if proper etiquette dictates that it should be given back.
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Old 12-06-2010, 07:56 PM
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I think we can put this down to a difference in cultures if you and no one you know would allow their fiance's to choose a ring for them, or present them with a family heirloom as an engagement ring in Australia.
Please do not take the views of a very small sample of the Australian public on this issue. I've known several people who had heirloom engagement rings from either side of their families. One lady had her own grandmother's engagement ring another one that her husband had inherited from an aunt.
I'm horrified to think that one Austrailian opinion would be considered to be how all Australian's think.
My own viewpoint on that person is that they are obviously from the republican mob over here!
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:24 PM
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A man who gives you an engagement ring which is a family heirloom holds you in very high regard. The ring means a lot to him. Not many women get a family heirloom from the groom's side as an engagement ring as if the engagement is broken, the ring might not be returned even if proper etiquette dictates that it should be given back.
I agree with you. By giving Catherine Diana's engagement ring, William has shown how much love and respect he has for this young woman.
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:36 PM
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Unfortunately that lovely gesture may very well turn out to be an albatross around her neck. Every single aspect of their personal relationship, engagement, coming wedding, etc. are all being measured against "Diana".

Williams long road to an engagement: Because of Diana.

William makes a loving gesture: Because of his mohter.

William is good with children: Because of his mother.

Kate's engagement ring: His mother's

Kates choice of dress for the engagement announcement: Emulating his Mother.

Kate's developing style: Emulating his mother (badly).

Kate's (supposed) Princess Training: Because of his mother.

Wedding: Said to be designed to include as much honour to the groom's deceased mother as to the luck couple.

Somewhere in this Wedding and their life there has to be an honest emotion or action attributable to no one but William or Kate. A choice of wedding stlye their unadulterated own. Their love, their own!
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:43 PM
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Please do not take the views of a very small sample of the Australian public on this issue. I've known several people who had heirloom engagement rings from either side of their families. One lady had her own grandmother's engagement ring another one that her husband had inherited from an aunt.
I'm horrified to think that one Austrailian opinion would be considered to be how all Australian's think.
My own viewpoint on that person is that they are obviously from the republican mob over here!
Thank you for setting the record straight wymanda! I have no idea how women in Australia feel about heirloom engagement rings or rings that are bought by the man rather than chosen by the woman, but I found it difficult to fathom that they are as materialistic and selfish as what was being described. I am relieved to hear that this isn't the norm.
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Yes it may become an Albatross but PW clearly intends for her to forge her own path and identity as he stated.

Hopefully she can!
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Marg, I understand what you're saying but with or without that particular ring on Catherine's finger, comparisons would be inevitable in my opinion.

Over the years some have criticized William for not caring about his mother. I guess it's clear now that that was not the case. I think he's honoring Diana's memory in a very special way by wanting to "include" her in one of the most important days of his life. (I think most of us would want to do that for a parent we loved. The only difference here is that it's on a very grand scale compared to the average person.)

William's choice of engagement ring also happens to be a very classy, respectful way of making sure that Diana isn't airbrushed from history quite as easily as some may wish. So much for William's insensitivity.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:13 PM
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Unfortunately that lovely gesture may very well turn out to be an albatross around her neck. Every single aspect of their personal relationship, engagement, coming wedding, etc. are all being measured against "Diana".

Williams long road to an engagement: Because of Diana.

William makes a loving gesture: Because of his mohter.

William is good with children: Because of his mother.

Kate's engagement ring: His mother's

Kates choice of dress for the engagement announcement: Emulating his Mother.

Kate's developing style: Emulating his mother (badly).

Kate's (supposed) Princess Training: Because of his mother.

Wedding: Said to be designed to include as much honour to the groom's deceased mother as to the luck couple.

Somewhere in this Wedding and their life there has to be an honest emotion or action attributable to no one but William or Kate. A choice of wedding stlye their unadulterated own. Their love, their own!
I don't know if I agree with you on this. The media and those that can't get past the Diana comparison will make of it what they will. However, I think that would have been the case regardless of what ring he gave her. She is the first woman to get married to a future King of England since Diana (Camilla doesn't count in this particular case), so no matter who William chose or how what type of ring he gave her the comparisons were inevitable. Kate won't be able to wear any of the jewels or that were passed down to William without small minded people making it into her of trying to please William's sick "mummy obsession", etc.., or trying to be another Diana.

It really does make you sad for society when a happy occasion has to be ripped apart to the extent this one is. Thank goodness William and Kate have such a solid relationship and can ignore the crap out there.
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Suddenly...the countdown to April 29th seem very far off. So let's have some ground rules:

1) Everyone needs to be respectful of each other. You can disagree without being rude and condescending to your fellow TRF posters. Such posts will be deleted without notice.

2) Let's cool down on the Diana comparisons. Unless there is announcement that so and so is in remembrance of Diana (ie. Elizabeth Emmanuel is designing the dress). There is no need for speculation.

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