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Old 01-04-2014, 05:18 PM
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I doubt that they will make any announcement at all. It is clear that William has stepped up his numbers since quitting the SAR in September and will continue to do so - it will simply be that that is all he does with no other job so all he can be is a full-time royal.
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:15 PM
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I think part of the criticism is this appears to be another delay tactic.

Charles & Phillip help manage the estates and neither took special classes. (AFAIK)

According to some sites, William took a similar course about 8 years ago and this is a refresher.

William is seen as reluctant to embrace his role as a fulltime royal.

The number of royal duties performed by most RF members was significantly less than 2011. In 2011, the RF had 611 fewer engagements than 2013. And more than 1000 less than 2012.

William's numbers:
2013: 62;
2013: 88;
2011: 90;
2010: 73


Those numbers are a bit misleading IMO.

Didn't William also hold down a full time job during a portion of the years above?

Or am I missing something?
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:28 PM
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Those numbers are a bit misleading IMO.

Didn't William also hold down a full time job during a portion of the years above?

Or am I missing something?
You are missing nothing. Some people just choose to believe he should have been able to handle both jobs at once. IMHO, they devalued his work as a rescue pilot - which to me is a real insult to people who work in the military. Apparently, they all have time to hold a second job as well.
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:05 PM
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I have a degree from Harvard University, a Certificate in Public Health, and my GPA from my bachelors work was pitiful and not up to Harvard standards. But, the program I was in only required a bachelor's degree so while I can say I am a Harvard graduate, only I know that the entry process wasn't as rigorous. I would imagine this is the same case for William since he is not there to study for a bachelor's degree or any other degree, just a 10-week course. I think the people who are upset about this are only looking at this from the surface and not delving deeper into the situation.
These people do not want to "delve deeper" into the situation. It's so much more fun to b!tch and moan about how "unfair" it is that a rich person can get into Cambridge even though they don't have the grades. There is nothing about this course that will make William a "graduate of Cambridge." I'm just puzzled that all these "brilliant" students don't know that. Personally, I blame it on the British media.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:02 AM
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Those numbers are a bit misleading IMO.

Didn't William also hold down a full time job during a portion of the years above?

Or am I missing something?
The difference is that William did not do a foreign tour in 2013 because of Kate's pregnancy. 2010 was Africa with Harry, 2011 Australia and NZ and Canada with Kate, 2012 South Pacific with Kate plus extra events for Diamond Jubilee and Olympics. For example this yr, the Cambridges are expected to spend 10 days each in NZ and Australia, if they do 2 events a day that 40 engagements from the tour.

When William left the Raf, his was in the 20s in engagement numbers but ended in the 60s with most of his numbers coming in the last 3 months. He is not going to be up in the 500s like his dad or aunt but I can see around 150 to 200 for 2014.
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Old 01-05-2014, 05:07 AM
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William will do however many royal engagements his grandmother tells him to do, period. She is the CEO of the Royal 'firm' and has the final say in who does what. I'm sure she takes into account the input of others, but just like any other CEO, she makes the final decisions.
The Queen is slowing down and handing the reins over to the next King - Charles. Charles seems to finally be gaining some respect from the public and frankly deserves his time in the sun.
Whenever William (or Catherine) does anything the press is all over it, for example the whole Cambridge students' upset nonsense must have shown up in over 50 publications - including the Wall Street Journal. Contrast the press they get w/ the press Princess Anne does not get despite her hundreds of engagements. On any day that a Cambridge does anything there are dozens of reporters/articles about it and any other engagement done by another Royal is virtually ignored.
The Queen watched this play out in the past w/ the press'es Diana mania and I'm sure she is much the wiser because of this and is making decisions in part based on what she's learned. I suspect that one of those decisions is to ration W&C press opportunities so as to not detract from Charles as he assumes more and more of the Queen's work.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:49 AM
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William will do however many royal engagements his grandmother tells him to do, period. She is the CEO of the Royal 'firm' and has the final say in who does what. I'm sure she takes into account the input of others, but just like any other CEO, she makes the final decisions.
The Queen is slowing down and handing the reins over to the next King - Charles. Charles seems to finally be gaining some respect from the public and frankly deserves his time in the sun.
Whenever William (or Catherine) does anything the press is all over it, for example the whole Cambridge students' upset nonsense must have shown up in over 50 publications - including the Wall Street Journal. Contrast the press they get w/ the press Princess Anne does not get despite her hundreds of engagements. On any day that a Cambridge does anything there are dozens of reporters/articles about it and any other engagement done by another Royal is virtually ignored.
The Queen watched this play out in the past w/ the press'es Diana mania and I'm sure she is much the wiser because of this and is making decisions in part based on what she's learned. I suspect that one of those decisions is to ration W&C press opportunities so as to not detract from Charles as he assumes more and more of the Queen's work.


Well said.

The Cambridges are the press's flavour of the month (and I think they will be for some time) thus they blow anything they do out or not as the case may be out of proportion.

But as you said her Majesty is no fool and has seen all this before.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:10 PM
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William will do however many royal engagements his grandmother tells him to do, period. She is the CEO of the Royal 'firm' and has the final say in who does what. I'm sure she takes into account the input of others, but just like any other CEO, she makes the final decisions.
The Queen is slowing down and handing the reins over to the next King - Charles. Charles seems to finally be gaining some respect from the public and frankly deserves his time in the sun.
Whenever William (or Catherine) does anything the press is all over it, for example the whole Cambridge students' upset nonsense must have shown up in over 50 publications - including the Wall Street Journal. Contrast the press they get w/ the press Princess Anne does not get despite her hundreds of engagements. On any day that a Cambridge does anything there are dozens of reporters/articles about it and any other engagement done by another Royal is virtually ignored.
The Queen watched this play out in the past w/ the press'es Diana mania and I'm sure she is much the wiser because of this and is making decisions in part based on what she's learned. I suspect that one of those decisions is to ration W&C press opportunities so as to not detract from Charles as he assumes more and more of the Queen's work.
I wholeheartedly agree that HM with the input of the DoE and PoW calls the shots when it comes to "who does what, where and when" in the BRF. There were many lessons to be learned during the 1980's and 1990's within the BRF.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:45 PM
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i'm not fussed over william going to cambridge, but can understand the frustration of certain students to accept this, when they had to go through several loops to get to cambridge. however, the fact that william attends cambridge only reinforces the position of their university, and in some way benefits them also.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:07 PM
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William isn't taking someone's place in Cambridge. He isn't getting a degree or a certification. He is taking a course that some city banker could take if he wanted to.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:29 PM
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I hate the modern world sometimes. Criticized for going to Cambridge. I am sick of society nowadays.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:29 PM
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I'm guessing that William & Catherine may use this time to carry out some official engagements in Cambridge.
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Old 01-05-2014, 04:22 PM
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The point that the press, and the students, are suggesting is that William is doing a course that has academic entry standards. It doesn't. It does have an entry requirement only - can you pay for it? William can so he can do the course. It is being run by the Continuing Education section of the university and they run courses year round for anyone to do - with or without academic qualifications but it seems that the press and the student body either don't realise this or wish to make an issue where there is none.

Some years ago I did two one week courses at Oxford through their continuing ed. programme (called The Oxford Experience) - great fun - do I put down 'I went to Oxford on my CV - well yes and no - I put down exactly what the courses were - 1 week courses at the Oxford Experience as they are relevant to my teaching subject and only because of that - just as I put down that I did a two week tour to Pompeii - yes - two weeks and we visited Pompeii twice, Herculaneum twice and many other sites associated with the area and the eruption - because I teach that topic so did that as a study tour). Do I put down that I have graduated or have any qualifications from Oxford - definitely not, because I haven't.

William will be the same I am sure so his CV would look something like:

Academic - MA (St Andrews, 2.1, Geography)

Military - SAR - helicopter pilot

Others - Agriculture etc (Cambridge)
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Not that William actually needs a CV since he qualified for his future jobs just by being born.
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:55 PM
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I hate the modern world sometimes. Criticized for going to Cambridge. I am sick of society nowadays.
This resonates with me. I despair of the shallow, ignorant world of today where the culture of envy is bred by media such as the DM.

And for young people who have been given the opportunity to study in a great university to be so negative disappoints me so much. These are supposed to be our future and they are appear to be foolish and elitist.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:05 PM
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Not that William actually needs a CV since he qualified for his future jobs just by being born.
True - all he needs to have regarding qualifications for the position of Head of State is to be born to the right parents in the right order but... my point was more along the lines of IF he needed a CV that he wouldn't be putting down that he graduated from Cambridge as a result of that course - anymore than I would put down that I graduated from Oxford because I did those couple of courses there.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:09 PM
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This agricultural course setup sounds much like the continuing "ed" courses that are offered by our local colleges. Much like what Iluvbertie said in her post, you don't need the strict academic quals to attend these courses, just the time and money to take them. I've taken a couple of these myself and they're different from the regular college curriculae that students working toward an academic degree must take. Here at our colleges, courses can be offered anywhere from American Sign Language, bookkeeping, medical billing services etc. At NYU in Manhattan, there are continuing ed courses in the arts, theater, film and media, or even walking tours of popular districts in the city. Even at some high schools, you can take continuing ed courses in learning foreign languages, oil painting, square/ballroom dancing, cake decoration and quilting. These courses are for a short duration of time and you don't earn a degree, you just get certification that you attended the course. It's definitely not considered a degree program and on a resume you'd include it under other interests or certifications. It seems pretty nonsensical to me, therefore, to think that Prince William is bumping anyone out of an academic degree track at Cambridge.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:58 PM
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Thank you Iluvbertie - it is a professional or continuing education class. We can all relax now. Call off the dogs. That terrible slacker has not been accepted at Cambridge.
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I really pity the BRF, they can never win either way - damn if they do and damn if they don't. I think the Prince should be left alone and given a few more years to slowly develop and come into his own.
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