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Old 01-03-2014, 06:30 PM
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It may be that participating in this course will bring another perspective (other than that of Prince Charles). In any event it has been made clear that this is personally financed so why anyone would complain is beyond me. It is the "same old, same old", argument for the sake of argument and criticism of the royal family. Just as corporations hand over large amounts of money for special courses to be taught to their managers I suspect that a large amount of money has been paid for this as well, (beyond the 10,000 pounds already mentioned?) The point is, some people will always find a reason to complain.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:41 PM
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Yes I have looked at the website, but that doesn't answer whether William is basically paying for one on one tuition on agricultural management or is he in a class of 20 getting up at 9am to go to his lecture? There's a difference.
I don't think that 10 weeks of one on one tuition cost only 10,000 pounds.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:45 PM
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I don't think that 10 weeks of one on one tuition cost only 10,000 pounds.
it isnt one to one. see my earlier post
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:17 PM
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It may be that participating in this course will bring another perspective (other than that of Prince Charles).
I agree. I am sure that William appreciates and respects his father's management of the Duchy but William will put his own stamp on the Duchy, just as Charles has done. I am sure Charles will be supportive of any changes William decides to make.
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:26 PM
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I'm not so sure about Charles being supportive of any changes William wishes to make. He is very knowledgeable on the subject and is also known to be fairly opinionated and if William wants to do something Charles thinks is foolish I would expect fireworks.
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:49 PM
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I'm not so sure about Charles being supportive of any changes William wishes to make. He is very knowledgeable on the subject and is also known to be fairly opinionated and if William wants to do something Charles thinks is foolish I would expect fireworks.
Okay, if William decides to start using chemical pesticides, Charles will say something. But to my knowledge, the Queen has not interfered in Charles's decisions about the Duchy (I agree she doesn't have the same vested interest) and I expect Charles will stand back. Part of being a parent is understanding that your kids have to make their own decisions. I expect Charles may be frustrated by some of William's decisions, but he supports William's right to be his own man.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:01 PM
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Charles wont interfere. When William takes on the Duchy, Charles will be busy being King. This idea that he will interfere is strange, because he has given both his children free rein over the years. I think he will give William the freedom the make mistakes.

AS an aside, one of the reasons the Duchy is so successful is that Charles is really good at selecting the right person for the job. I'm waiting to see if William has the same gift. I will say that it is Charles that sent Jamie L-P to help the Cambridges and I'm not too impressed with the people William has, now he's left.

One of the most important factors for any successful boss (that's William) is to get the right person in the right post. We'll see.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:09 PM
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I'm hoping William will get to use some of the knowledge he acquires at Cambridge in the years between the completion of his course and the time he takes over the Duchy. I hope he gets to practise his skills on some property or interests of his own, and that it is during that time that he will have discussions with Charles about his plans and methods.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:26 PM
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Charles wont interfere. When William takes on the Duchy, Charles will be busy being King.

And still have his own Duchy to run - he inherits Lancaster when he becomes King.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:35 PM
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And still have his own Duchy to run - he inherits Lancaster when he becomes King.
Good point - maybe he can help make that more successful as well.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:04 PM
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Plus Charles will have Balmoral and Sandringham to run also.
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The whole newspaper thing was just a typical tabloid ploy to invent a "problem" or create a story. Laughable imo. Intelligence is marked by opening your mind to new ideas, most people want to believe what they already know. Reading on your own, going to a lecture, or paying for classes are all good signs of an open mind.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:57 PM
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I think part of the criticism is this appears to be another delay tactic.

Charles & Phillip help manage the estates and neither took special classes. (AFAIK)

According to some sites, William took a similar course about 8 years ago and this is a refresher.

William is seen as reluctant to embrace his role as a fulltime royal.

The number of royal duties performed by most RF members was significantly less than 2011. In 2011, the RF had 611 fewer engagements than 2013. And more than 1000 less than 2012.

William's numbers:
2013: 62;
2013: 88;
2011: 90;
2010: 73



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Old 01-03-2014, 11:06 PM
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Plus Charles will have Balmoral and Sandringham to run also.
Assuming that The Queen leaves these estates to Charles - that isn't automatic (99.9% probable of course).

As she gave Anne an estate from which she can make a living for her wedding and hasn't given something similar to her younger sons she may decide to divide Balmoral and Sandringham between Andrew and Edward (doubt it but the possibility does exist).
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:09 PM
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Assuming that The Queen leaves these estates to Charles - that isn't automatic (99.9% probable of course).

As she gave Anne an estate from which she can make a living for her wedding and hasn't given something similar to her younger sons she may decide to divide Balmoral and Sandringham between Andrew and Edward (doubt it but the possibility does exist).
Sovereign to sovereign transfer or there are considerable taxes to be paid. As it is, I think there will be a huge row over the sovereign to sovereign transfer when the time comes.
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:18 PM
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I am aware of that, which is why I think it improbable but there is that very slim possibility.
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He learnt on the job it appears. He read Archaeology, History and anthropology at Cambridge. I can't see him being a figurehead in something that he can actually run without being stopped. He's extremely passionate about everything involved in the Duchy.



Yes I have looked at the website, but that doesn't answer whether William is basically paying for one on one tuition on agricultural management or is he in a class of 20 getting up at 9am to go to his lecture? There's a difference.
IMO, it is irrelevant if others are on the bespoke course William is attending at Cambridge. By its very definition, the course is bespoke. Many organisations ask universities to prepare specialist courses for some of their employees. Cambridge and many other universities often run courses for corporates. It is not that William is denying an A*AA undergraduate or graduate student with a first a place on a course. As far as I am concerned, this is just more drivel from an overtly sanctimonious and disingenuous journalist with pages to fill!
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:43 AM
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I think part of the criticism is this appears to be another delay tactic.

Charles & Phillip help manage the estates and neither took special classes. (AFAIK)

According to some sites, William took a similar course about 8 years ago and this is a refresher.

William is seen as reluctant to embrace his role as a fulltime royal.

The number of royal duties performed by most RF members was significantly less than 2011. In 2011, the RF had 611 fewer engagements than 2013. And more than 1000 less than 2012.

William's numbers:
2013: 62;
2013: 88;
2011: 90;
2010: 73


Delay tactic? For what? William is already a full time royal. He may be spending part of the year in further developing his interests in certain areas, but he in full time, like it or not.

Is it a problem that he is taking a course, funded from his own resources?
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He will be a full time royal when KP says so...which they haven't yet. So...if anyone expects an announcement of that...it will probably happen in September.

And look at the numbers if he was a full time royal his numbers would be up there with Charles and Anne. To me if you look at the numbers its pretty obvious who the full time royals are right now.
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He will be a full time royal when KP says so...which they haven't yet. So...if anyone expects an announcement of that...it will probably happen in September.

And look at the numbers if he was a full time royal his numbers would be up there with Charles and Anne. To me if you look at the numbers its pretty obvious who the full time royals are right now.
HM, the DoE, their children and daughters-in-law, and HM's cousin are the full time royals as I understand. When the senior royals decide to incorporate their grandchildren into the full time list, they'll likely make an announcement about it.
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