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Old 11-03-2017, 01:28 PM
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I really don't think William has any business lecturing folks around the world about population. It smacks of elitism and arrogance.


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Old 11-03-2017, 01:47 PM
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I don't think it has anything to do with elitism and arrogance but is actually a valid point. Overpopulation is a big concern globally. At the rate the population is expanding and the natural resources of the planet dwindling, it gets harder and harder to sustain human life. Charles has been advocating sustainability for years and has actively tried to find and implement ways to make life in the future sustainable. I'm glad to see William jump on this bandwagon.

When we think about it, with the advances in medical technology and people living longer lives and having more and more arable land taken up to house the expanding population, the balance of supply and demand is getting harder and harder to meet. Found a good article that helps explain why overpopulation is such a concern these days.

https://www.conserve-energy-future.c...population.php
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:55 PM
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We will have to disagree about overpopulation. We have a resource distribution issues, not population issues. For example, Europe is having to bring people in to keep up the numbers.

It has everything to do with elitism when (most often) white persons and (often) wealthy persons run around telling people they are having too many children (often in countries where the majority is non-white).

If William was really serious about it then why in the devil is he having 3 children?

He and his father both need to direct their focus elsewhere. They would do far more good to focus on the issue of food distribution and corrupt governments who prevent people from receiving the aid.


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Old 11-03-2017, 01:56 PM
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I really don't think William has any business lecturing folks around the world about population. It smacks of elitism and arrogance.


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I totally agree, especially since he is about to have a third child. I like William, but he needs to follow his Grandmother's example and keep his mouth shut. He will be much more popular (not that he isn't) and a more unifying figure.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:59 PM
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Yes good point, the Queen needs to be his example in these issues.


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Old 11-03-2017, 02:40 PM
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William didn't lecture the world on over population. The Daily Mail headline does not reflect what he actually said.

We all know that wildlife (flora and fauna) help to sustain the planet. If no planning is put in place to deal with population rise, then not only will wildlife suffer but so will humans.

So lets plan for the population increase - seems sensible to me.

Link to the speech

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-...usk-trust-ball
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:44 PM
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Did any of you actually read William’s actual speech or just the headlines? Because he never said anything about too many people or population control. What he said was Africa’s population is predicted to double by 2050. That we affect the habitats so the planning to deal with the increasing demands on the land should start now. Stuff like making sure there is available clean water for both people and animals.

Here’s the link to what he actually said

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-...usk-trust-ball
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:47 PM
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William didn't lecture the world on over population. The Daily Mail headline does not reflect what he actually said.

We all know that wildlife (flora and fauna) help to sustain the planet. If no planning is put in place to deal with population rise, then not only will wildlife suffer but so will humans.

So lets plan for the population increase - seems sensible to me.

Link to the speech

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-...usk-trust-ball
As usual the DM goes for an inflammatory headline to pull in click bait readers.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:51 PM
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It started with the Telegraph first and then spread on Twitter from the Royal Correspondents like Palmer, Murphy and Damplier.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:04 PM
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I totally agree, especially since he is about to have a third child.
And what is wrong with having a third child?

William is only stating what is a fact of life. The more people on earth, the greater the pressure on the environment.

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I like William, but he needs to follow his Grandmother's example and keep his mouth shut. He will be much more popular (not that he isn't) and a more unifying figure.
Firstly, William is not the monarch. He is twice removed from that role.

Secondly, I think there is a widely misconstrued view of what the monarch of the day can and cannot say. The only think the monarch should stay out of and not express a view on is party political matters, as the monarch must be seen to be above politics. Nothing stops the monarch from expressing certain likes, dislikes, or supporting certain causes, or espousing views on non-party political matters.

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Did any of you actually read William’s actual speech or just the headlines? [/url]
IMO, therein lies the problem. People today, including myself, can often be too quick to jump to conclusions.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:43 PM
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There is nothing wrong with it. I didn't say there was. I hope they have a 4th. My point is he should not talk about overpopulation while he is about to increase it.
However, I fell for the click bait of the DM and it turns out that is not what he really said. I thought I knew better, but I am sorry I made a mistake. I won't even try to defend myself.

['QUOTE=muriel;2034086]And what is wrong with having a third child?

William is only stating what is a fact of life. The more people on earth, the greater the pressure on the environment.



Firstly, William is not the monarch. He is twice removed from that role.

Secondly, I think there is a widely misconstrued view of what the monarch of the day can and cannot say. The only think the monarch should stay out of and not express a view on is party political matters, as the monarch must be seen to be above politics. Nothing stops the monarch from expressing certain likes, dislikes, or supporting certain causes, or espousing views on non-party political matters.[/QUOTE]
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Old 11-03-2017, 05:39 PM
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Did any of you actually read William’s actual speech or just the headlines? Because he never said anything about too many people or population control. What he said was Africa’s population is predicted to double by 2050. That we affect the habitats so the planning to deal with the increasing demands on the land should start now. Stuff like making sure there is available clean water for both people and animals.

Here’s the link to what he actually said

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-...usk-trust-ball
Yes, I was rolling my eyes at people/posters putting words in his mouth. Though not surprised.

I'm actually a strong believer in strict government-involved population control. So William's bland/tame words on the subject of population growth were very factual but didn't speak to anything I believe in. He just wants to facilitate the growth and lessen it's impact, not stop the growth (like my want).
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:22 PM
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“Strict government-involved population control?”
Do you mean the kind they have had in China for decades?
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:51 PM
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“Strict government-involved population control?”
Do you mean the kind they have had in China for decades?
Somewhat. China's policy was a bit of a farce. Too many loopholes and now they've abandoned the original policy. But I suppose it was better than nothing.

But, yes, William's words had nothing do with population control, it was about future resource management. Whether he actually believes the latter can be accomplished without the former, we don't know.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:33 PM
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FWIW, Richard Palmer had a much more nuanced view on it than many of the rest of the press pack/headlines.

https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/st...11944927596544

Ultimately, the statement "we should be careful to plan for increases in population because unmanaged expansion will hurt both humans and wildlife" doesn't make for sexy headlines.
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Old 11-03-2017, 08:04 PM
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Palmer’s first tweet on the subject

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyalRepo...07539658338306

Mentioned third baby and William warns of Africa’s population explosion
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Old 11-04-2017, 02:51 AM
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FWIW, Richard Palmer had a much more nuanced view on it than many of the rest of the press pack/headlines.

https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/st...11944927596544

Ultimately, the statement "we should be careful to plan for increases in population because unmanaged expansion will hurt both humans and wildlife" doesn't make for sexy headlines.
No it doesn't hel, but people will still try avoid reading the actual text and just remark on the headlines.
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Old 11-04-2017, 02:54 AM
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I think a lot of that happens too because of just seeing the words "Daily Mail". I know I pass most of these kind of links by.
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Old 11-04-2017, 10:03 AM
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Somewhat. China's policy was a bit of a farce. Too many loopholes and now they've abandoned the original policy. But I suppose it was better than nothing.

But, yes, William's words had nothing do with population control, it was about future resource management. Whether he actually believes the latter can be accomplished without the former, we don't know.
Better than nothing? Forced abortions?
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Somewhat. China's policy was a bit of a farce. Too many loopholes and now they've abandoned the original policy. But I suppose it was better than nothing.
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Better than nothing? Forced abortions?
I presume this statement was just designed to be provocative
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