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Old 03-15-2016, 11:34 PM
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There is a difference between hunting and poaching. This is what some people confuse. I see people 'how can he be against poaching but he hunts foxes?". I abhore hunting and would burn every head my uncles have on their walls if I could. Difference? They don't hunt endangered species. They don't hunt animals who are on the brink of being wiped off the face of the earth. Nor do they take the animals antlers, and leave the rest of the animal to rot like poachers do. The will kill elephants and rhinos, chop off the ivory and leave the rest to rot in the sun. All animals belong in an eco system, either as a predator or as a food source. You remove a food source for some animals, then they either become endangered themselves or a threat to humans.

Hunting may be a good industry for Africa. But it needs to be heavily controlled. Monitored on the numbers killed, regulations about age and such, and no endangered species. We have in Canada a buffalo lottery, where hunters enter every year, and only so many are selected. They are able to kill one. This helps keep the wild herds under control but thriving. My Uncle has been selected for it once.
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Old 03-15-2016, 11:40 PM
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There is a disconnect in William's logic.

He is against displaying ivory pieces on the mantel but it is okay to display the entire animal's head above the mantel.

He is against owning ivory when the animal was killed hundred/s of years ago but it is okay to own ivory if it comes from recent trophy hunting.

Is William naive or just foolish to think that trophy hunters are going to spend good money to track and kill the weak, frail and infertile animals?
I'm confused about what you mean by "He is against displaying ivory pieces on the mantel but it is okay to display the entire animal's head above the mantel." Did I somehow miss an elephant head hidden behind the mirror over the mantel in the video?
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Old 03-16-2016, 12:14 AM
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I think the point the OP is making that he has a problem with 'ivory on the mantle' but not with trophy hunting. He argues trophy hunting has a place in the industry of Africa. Trophy hunting is not meat it is 'trophies' aka heads on the wall or pelts. He doesn't need to have one over the mantle in the video.
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Old 03-16-2016, 12:18 AM
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Not always true Countessmeout....many times (or most times as I understand it) the meat is either taken by the hunter or donated to the locals. Trophy hunters may not want the meat but it doesn't mean the meat is wasted.



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Old 03-16-2016, 12:21 AM
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Except he doesn't support it because heads above the mantle are cool. He supports it because it's a useful tool in conservation.

Saying he supports displaying heads above the mantel is to, IMO, misrepresent his position.
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Old 03-16-2016, 12:26 AM
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Not always true Countessmeout....many times (or most times as I understand it) the meat is either taken by the hunter or donated to the locals. Trophy hunters may not want the meat but it doesn't mean the meat is wasted.



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I didn't say they didn't. I come from a family of trophy hunters who also have freezers full of meat. But he is not advocating for 'hunting for food', he is fully supportive of 'trophy hunting'. That wording is extremely clear. When you support 'trophy hunting' you support the trophies that go along with it. Meaning he doesn't care if there is a dead head on the wall, as long as it isn't ivory/endangered. That is simply the point being made.

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Except he doesn't support it because heads above the mantle are cool. He supports it because it's a useful tool in conservation.

Saying he supports displaying heads above the mantel is to, IMO, misrepresent his position.
He is a well known hunter for sport. So no I don't see it as a misrepresentation of his position on sport hunting/having trophies.
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Old 03-16-2016, 01:07 AM
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I didn't say they didn't. I come from a family of trophy hunters who also have freezers full of meat. But he is not advocating for 'hunting for food', he is fully supportive of 'trophy hunting'. That wording is extremely clear. When you support 'trophy hunting' you support the trophies that go along with it. Meaning he doesn't care if there is a dead head on the wall, as long as it isn't ivory/endangered. That is simply the point being made.
Since it's generally known the meat is also used I'm not sure you can say he is just advocating for head only and has no concern about the meat.

Myself I don't care if someone wants a legal head on the wall or not..that's up to them, it doesn't bother me if they do it. What I don't agree with is the wasting of meat that comes most commonly with poachers and illegally hunting endangered species.


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Old 03-16-2016, 04:41 AM
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It's a complicated subject and not everyone agrees but the reality is trophy hunting exists in Africa and African governments make a distinction between illegal poaching and hunting

For example, Namibia allows five non-breeding rhinos to be hunted every year. Compare this to the hundreds that are illegally poached every year.

William clearly said he wouldn't do it but as he also said there are others in the conservation community who have the same opinions

Can trophy hunting actually help conservation? - Conservation

Why killing lions like Cecil may help conservation - CNN.com

Hunting as a conservation tool

Again William said he would never do it but it's a difficult subject and not everyone agrees but hunting exists in Africa and it's legal. It's not a black and white issue, there are many shades of grey
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Old 03-16-2016, 06:35 PM
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Under the circumstances, it would have been quite understandable if he’d taken the easy, populist line, rode the wave of post-Cecil-the-Lion hysteria and pretended to be frightfully upset by the idea of any big game being shot for pleasure ever again in Africa.
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He didn’t take the coward’s way out, though. Instead William spoke the truth.

Trophy hunting brings millions of dollars a year into Africa’s wildlife conservation budget. Anyone who truly cares about wildlife should applaud it, not condemn it.
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it speaks volumes for William’s courage
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In the past, his younger brother Prince Harry has got all the credit for being the brave one in the family for having served two tours of duty in Afghanistan.

But that’s physical courage. What Prince William has shown here is the equally important virtue of moral courage. This augurs well for his reign.
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Old 03-16-2016, 07:02 PM
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Thanks for posting this Rudolph. It does put the entire issue into a very positive perspective.
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Old 03-16-2016, 07:28 PM
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This website is headed by several neo-conservatives who hold the views on commercial hunting that one would expect.

Delingpole quits Telegraph ahead of UK launch of Breitbart.com | Coffee House

Yes, it is a complex issue but commercial hunting of endangered species is hardly likely to receive the approval and agreement of the majority of the British public. After all, the ban on fox hunting years ago (and foxes certainly aren't endangered and are regarded as vermin by many country dwellers) was overwhelmingly supported by the public.
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Old 03-16-2016, 07:48 PM
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This website is headed by several neo-conservatives who hold the views on commercial hunting that one would expect.

Delingpole quits Telegraph ahead of UK launch of Breitbart.com | Coffee House

Yes, it is a complex issue but commercial hunting of endangered species is hardly likely to receive the approval and agreement of the majority of the British public. After all, the ban on fox hunting years ago (and foxes certainly aren't endangered and are regarded as vermin by many country dwellers) was overwhelmingly supported by the public.
The fox hunting ban was purely political though. Tony Blair didn't like the fact 'toffs' enjoyed spending their weekends on horseback and socialising with friends.

You can still hunt foxes with hounds in Scotland (he didn't dare try banning fox hunting there)

William's views are the exact same as his grandfather's. Prince Philip has both feet on the ground when it comes to this issue. It's up to the people and governments of Africa to decide the issue, not Britons

Philip, Charles, William and Harry all shoot and stalk and all of them work in conservation. The two aren't incompatible.
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Old 03-21-2016, 03:22 PM
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Well done, Prince William. He is talking sense. As hard as it is to comprehend that killing animals can be integral to their survival, the fact remains: without trophy hunting, many of Africa’s iconic species would be worse off.

In South Africa and Namibia hunting has played a role in the significant expansion of wildlife outside Parks. Limited hunting has been credited with helping to encourage the increase in southern white rhino range and numbers.

When hunting started in 1968 there were only 1,800, but today there are over 19,230 white rhino in South Africa and Namibia which annually hunt small numbers of white and black rhino, and which currently conserve 94.4% of the species. A third of white rhinos in South Africa are now conserved on private and community land outside state parks. Numbers of black rhino have also increased by 52% in these two countries (up to 3,840) since the approval of small annual hunting quotas.
Read more: Prince William is talking sense – trophy hunting is crucial to conservation | Comment | Voices | The Independent
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Old 03-24-2016, 05:20 AM
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President Uhuru Kenyatta on Thursday held talks with the Duke of Cambridge, Prince William, who paid him a courtesy call at State House, Nairobi.

President Kenyatta and the Duke discussed cooperation and the close ties between Kenya and the UK. Special consideration was given to conservation – an issue that has been close to Prince William’s heart.

The President highlighted Kenya’s progress in combating poaching, disclosing that next month he will preside over the torching of 120 tonnes of ivory and 1.5 tonnes of rhino horn.

“We are determined to conserve our wildlife for posterity and welcome all the support we can get in this endeavour,” President Kenyatta said.
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Old 03-24-2016, 10:02 AM
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Britain's Prince William pledged support Thursday for Kenya's efforts to stem poaching in the east African nation, as he visited President Uhuru Kenyatta ahead of the world's biggest burning of ivory.

Next month, Kenya is set to torch the vast majority of its ivory and rhino horn stockpile — 120 tonnes of ivory, eight times the size of any ivory stockpile destroyed so far, as well as 1.5 tonnes of rhino horn.
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Old 03-24-2016, 11:28 AM
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Nice short meeting for William to "pledge" his support but it just looks like an afterthought. William attending the wedding is issue number one and then this meeting was arranged.

“If there is anything I can do to raise the profile in your efforts to conserve wildlife I will do it,” the Duke said."

Hope there is more cooperation between the two countries
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Old 03-24-2016, 11:35 AM
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I only know what is in the press release. The meeting with the President of Kenya was at the request Her Majesty's Government. It was in the presence of the UK High Commissioner to Kenya

The two discussed conservation, security and defence
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Old 03-24-2016, 11:59 AM
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He doing a bunch of stuff right now for Tusk Trust right now. It's no difference than the trip to NY which had Royal Foundation stuff, United for Wildlife, a visit with the President, promoting the British is Great Campaign instead of the Met Gala for St Andrews it's a wedding instead.

The royals don't do stuff on the spur of the moment just like Harry didn't just decide to stay an extra week in Nepal once he got there.


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This afternoon, Prince William on an elephant collaring exercise in Namunyak Conservancy. @UKinKenya @kwskenya

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