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Old 09-07-2017, 03:06 AM
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The Gloucesters might have had three children because their first two were girls. As Prince Richard was the only surviving male of his generation (brother dead, his mother Princess Alice had children late plus several miscarriages) and perhaps they wanted the Gloucester title to go down to another generation.
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Old 09-07-2017, 04:11 AM
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The Gloucesters might have had three children because their first two were girls. As Prince Richard was the only surviving male of his generation (brother dead, his mother Princess Alice had children late plus several miscarriages) and perhaps they wanted the Gloucester title to go down to another generation.
Actually the Earl of Ulster is the eldest of their three children.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:24 AM
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Queen's cousin George Lascelles, Earl of Harewood also had four children (only sons)
His sons:
David - four (his daughter Emily has three)
James - four
Jeremy - four
Mark - three.
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:41 PM
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I wonder if Catherine will ever talk about her illness and help shine a light on this severe morning sickness?

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...royal-baby/amp

All mothers suffering from these complications deserve the best care possible.
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:51 PM
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One thing for sure, women who suffer from HG most likely can and do exhibit their own fair share of mental issues. Not having HG but going through some pretty severe morning sickness three times in my life, I can attest to that fact.
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:52 PM
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I know that the palace confirmed that Kate suffered from HG when pregnant with George, has the palace confirmed the same thing with Charlotte and Baby No 3 that it is HG again or 'only' from severe morning sickness?
Last week I met a friend who became a midwife recently and she told me that there is a difference between the 2 and that suffering from HG during one pregnancy doesnt mean that it is HG again at the next one. Apologies if this has been discussed alrealdy.
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:00 PM
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I know that the palace confirmed that Kate suffered from HG when pregnant with George, has the palace confirmed the same thing with Charlotte and Baby No 3 that it is HG again or 'only' from severe morning sickness?
Last week I met a friend who became a midwife recently and she told me that there is a difference between the 2 and that suffering from HG during one pregnancy doesnt mean that it is HG again at the next one. Apologies if this has been discussed alrealdy.
The announcement from KP specifically said "As with her two previous pregnancies, The Duchess is suffering from Hyperemesis Gravidarum."
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:05 PM
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I know that the palace confirmed that Kate suffered from HG when pregnant with George, has the palace confirmed the same thing with Charlotte and Baby No 3 that it is HG again or 'only' from severe morning sickness?
Last week I met a friend who became a midwife recently and she told me that there is a difference between the 2 and that suffering from HG during one pregnancy doesnt mean that it is HG again at the next one. Apologies if this has been discussed alrealdy.
I'm a midwife and there is a difference between the two. Having HG with the first pregnancy predisposes you to having it the second time, but it does not always mean you will. Severe morning sickness is something that the vast majority of women suffer from in pregnancy and it normally resolves after 14 weeks. The causes of morning sickness vary but the main reason women are extremely sick is due to the hormone human chorionic gonadotropin which is secreted after the implantation process, hence why it normally resolves after a few weeks. It's a positive sign that the pregnancy is going well, although if you ask any women, their experience is anything but positive.

HG is often associated with severe weight loss and dehydration, which is why a lot of women end up with NG tubes in pregnancy if they suffer from HG. Charlotte Bronte died of HG in the 1800's, although at the time it was not known as HG. She died of severe dehydration associated with extreme nausea.

Kate may just be suffering from the usual morning sickness with this pregnancy as she's in the early stages of pregnancy. This feeling of constant nausea and exhaustion is hard to deal with, nevermind having to go out in public and put a brave face on. It's to be expected that she will cancel some engagements as she may not feel up to being seen. Sophie cancelled a few engagements in May/June 2007 before her pregnancy with James was announced, even cancelling on the day like Kate did. The palace just said she was "unwell". Morning sickness is extremely debilitating and every woman copes differently.
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Thanks to you both for confirming/explaining!
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:08 PM
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I wonder if Catherine will ever talk about her illness and help shine a light on this severe morning sickness?

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...royal-baby/amp

All mothers suffering from these complications deserve the best care possible.
It would be a great cause for her to take up. Maybe dealing with issues of HG and possible post pardum would be a good draw in for Kate. Having an actual connection to HG would make it so much more meaningful having her talking to people and supporting it.
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:12 PM
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The palace said she has HG, she is not just suffering from the usual morning sickness.
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:12 PM
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I had a sister in law who had HG with her 3 pregnancies she was worse with each one the last one she spent 3 months in hospital. I really feel for Kate so hard to do anything if your constantly sick
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:16 PM
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It would be a great cause for her to take up.
During the video where she, William, and Harry had a conversation, she mentioned difficulties after the birth of George when she went back to Wales with William
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:24 PM
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The Duchess of Cambridge continues to suffer with hyperemesis gravidarum. More info on this condition on our page:

Severe vomiting in pregnancy - Pregnancy and baby - NHS Choices
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THE Duchess of Cambridge has been trying a number of remedies, even ginger, in a desperate effort to combat her morning sickness, Prince William has revealed.

Kate, who is expecting her third child, is again suffering from hyperemesis gravidarum which plagued her during the early stages of her pregnancies when she was carrying Prince George and Princess Charlotte.

When an elderly mother-of-three revealed to William she had a similar illness when pregnant with her sons, he confessed his wife had tried ginger, a well-known remedy for upset stomachs.

The Duke met Iris Orrell, 98, when he attended a presentation ceremony and reception celebrating the Metropolitan and City Police Orphans Fund, which he supports as patron.
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I do find it strange to be having a third when Charles reportedly, with William's agreement, wants a smaller royal family when the main reason it is so large now is that George V and Elizabeth II each had so many kids. Having a third means a larger family in the future rather than it getting smaller - although they could just limit 'duties' to the monarch and spouse and heir and spouse and tell the others 'get real jobs and stick at them until you retire' and that would give the BRF the smaller look that Charles believes the people want.
Is the point of having a 'smaller royal family' not mainly having fewer 'active senior royals'? The main reason there are currently so many of them is because of the involvement of the cousins of the Queen (and her longevity) - partly due to her own insistence that not only the Dukes, but also the females in the family stay involved (I think that was the right decision, but it did increase the number of active members to more than it previously was). Had she reduced the workload to only the male line or only the children of the monarch there would be far fewer working royals. Furthermore, I don't think two or three children makes that much of a difference (and I am glad that William and Catherine do not limit their family size just because of a perceived issue with the 'large' royal family - they should feel free to have even more if they would like to and are able to have them).

The easiest way to visibly reduce the royal family would be to limit the HRH treatment to only the direct-line (so not including the male-line grandchildren; and with Edward's children not being given that treatment there is a precedence) - and only expect royal duty of the RH. If these measures had been in place the number of 'active' royal family members would have been much smaller over the years. However, that is probably something to be discussed elsewhere...
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Old 09-27-2017, 07:26 PM
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Is the point of having a 'smaller royal family' not mainly having fewer 'active senior royals'? The main reason there are currently so many of them is because of the involvement of the cousins of the Queen (and her longevity) - partly due to her own insistence that not only the Dukes, but also the females in the family stay involved (I think that was the right decision, but it did increase the number of active members to more than it previously was). Had she reduced the workload to only the male line or only the children of the monarch there would be far fewer working royals. Furthermore, I don't think two or three children makes that much of a difference (and I am glad that William and Catherine do not limit their family size just because of a perceived issue with the 'large' royal family - they should feel free to have even more if they would like to and are able to have them).

The easiest way to visibly reduce the royal family would be to limit the HRH treatment to only the direct-line (so not including the male-line grandchildren; and with Edward's children not being given that treatment there is a precedence) - and only expect royal duty of the RH. If these measures had been in place the number of 'active' royal family members would have been much smaller over the years. However, that is probably something to be discussed elsewhere...
The Queen needed her cousins to be working Royals before her children were old enough to take on duties. Just the Queen, Philip, her mother and sister were not enough working Royals. And Richard gave up his career as an architect to become a working Royal--it would be poor form to kick the cousins to the curb after they sacrificed for the Royal Family. So they continued to work, and the working family grew. Limiting to male line is pretty regressive.
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The Queen needed her cousins to be working Royals before her children were old enough to take on duties. Just the Queen, Philip, her mother and sister were not enough working Royals. And Richard gave up his career as an architect to become a working Royal--it would be poor form to kick the cousins to the curb after they sacrificed for the Royal Family. So they continued to work, and the working family grew. Limiting to male line is pretty regressive.
Luckily I never said anything like that - quite the opposite.

To avoid going off-topic here, you can find a longer response in the 'The Monarchy after Elizabeth II'-topic.
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It would be a great cause for her to take up. Maybe dealing with issues of HG and possible post pardum would be a good draw in for Kate. Having an actual connection to HG would make it so much more meaningful having her talking to people and supporting it.
The hospital drip became my sister's BF during the most part of her second pregnancy, the first being quite routine.

Kate very well could, but distressing as it is, HG is a relatively transitory (I know it doesn't seem so at the time!) medical condition, so I'm not sure what more she could say other than "I had it and I want to forget it ... try the ginger biscuits / avocado etc.!" As it is, I'm sure the majority of people never heard of the condition until Kate was expecting George, so in a way she has brought it into the public domain simply by having it and making that fact public knowledge.
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I've deleted and edited a number of posts. This thread isn't about Kate's various charities, or how involved she is with them. Let's stay on-topic.
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