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Old 01-18-2011, 08:13 PM
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Diana was in a unique situation

The BRF is about 1/2 a generation older than the other European royal families. She was the first newly minted princess in a long time, since Princess Grace really. (Queen Noor, Queen Silvia - but somehow queens are more serious and less romantic than princessess)

Kate comes after Maxima, Mette-Marit, Mary, Letzia etc, etc. She's not as novel. The public has also had a long time to get use to her. The white hot spotlight is different. Charles dated many women. Who will his princess be? Once she was introduced, everyone wanted to know about her. William wasn't like that. People weren't waiting to find out who he would marry, but when the wedding would happen.

I can see Kate being more like the Queen Mum. Beloved. Hopefully, she'll be around much longer than Diana was.
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The press want another Diana as she sold more copies. To me Kate has to distance herself from designers etc associated with Diana to avoid these sorts of stories and the press creating a Diana type situation. Kate already has Diana's ring and used, for the engagement photos a photographer heavily associated with Diana.

I hope she uses a designer who never made anything for Diana and does other things to clearly establish herself as different to her dead mother-in-law because if she doesn't then the press and the public will continually write and read the stories of how she is like Diana and rather than be HRH Princess William she will become simply a 'new Diana'.
They do seem to feed into it in some ways. I personally have never seen the Diana comparisons but the media seems to leap on everything it comes across. I also don't think that the Diana/Kate stories will sell that well, but maybe the media feels that if they put Diana on or in the story, then people will be more interested in it. Which actually says more about how unpopular or undefined Kate is if she needs someone else to boost her up. I believe however that with time she will create her own image. I don't think she will ever reach a global status that Diana had but I believe that could be a good thing for Kate. Better to be who you really are then a poor copy of someone else.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:09 AM
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kate middleton will never be more popular than diana.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:31 AM
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kate middleton will never be more popular than diana.
I agree there for so many reasons.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:13 AM
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They do seem to feed into it in some ways. I personally have never seen the Diana comparisons but the media seems to leap on everything it comes across. I also don't think that the Diana/Kate stories will sell that well, but maybe the media feels that if they put Diana on or in the story, then people will be more interested in it. Which actually says more about how unpopular or undefined Kate is if she needs someone else to boost her up. I believe however that with time she will create her own image. I don't think she will ever reach a global status that Diana had but I believe that could be a good thing for Kate. Better to be who you really are then a poor copy of someone else.
I dont know about the press, but there are some here on this forum who get absolutely in a twist that Diana comes into the conversation at all. Oh my god, not that ring! Oh my god, not the lover's knot tiara! Oh my god, that photographer was associated with Diana....and she wore blue! Oh my god, dont let the spencers have a role in the wedding, etc, etc. She was the groom's mother and he loved her and wants to have her included in the wedding. What's so wrong about that? Unless of course, one is part of the whitewash Diana from history brigade, in which case the motivation is obvious.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:37 AM
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Then I'm guessing there will always be three in the marriage: William, Catherine and Diana. There is no way that Richard Kay will omit Diana from any article he writes during William and Catherine's marriage.
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:42 PM
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kate middleton will never be more popular than diana.
Thank goodness. I think Kate will be much happier for it.
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I think (until there is proof otherwise) there will only be 2 people in the William and Kate marriage.

That is William and Kate.

The only people brining Diana into their marriage are the press and the people who won't let Diana rest in peace.
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Thank goodness. I think Kate will be much happier for it.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:21 PM
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The BRF is about 1/2 a generation older than the other European royal families. She was the first newly minted princess in a long time, since Princess Grace really. (Queen Noor, Queen Silvia - but somehow queens are more serious and less romantic than princessess)

Kate comes after Maxima, Mette-Marit, Mary, Letzia etc, etc. She's not as novel. The public has also had a long time to get use to her. The white hot spotlight is different. Charles dated many women. Who will his princess be? Once she was introduced, everyone wanted to know about her. William wasn't like that. People weren't waiting to find out who he would marry, but when the wedding would happen.

I can see Kate being more like the Queen Mum. Beloved. Hopefully, she'll be around much longer than Diana was.
Nice points. agree 100%
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:29 PM
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Then I'm guessing there will always be three in the marriage: William, Catherine and Diana. There is no way that Richard Kay will omit Diana from any article he writes during William and Catherine's marriage.
Don't you think that is exaggerated? And why is it so important what this Richard Kay writes? It's not like the Daily Mail is the most credible source.

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I think (until there is proof otherwise) there will only be 2 people in the William and Kate marriage.

That is William and Kate.

The only people brining Diana into their marriage are the press and the people who won't let Diana rest in peace.
Amen, totally agreed.

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Old 01-20-2011, 04:26 PM
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I think (until there is proof otherwise) there will only be 2 people in the William and Kate marriage.

That is William and Kate.

The only people brining Diana into their marriage are the press and the people who won't let Diana rest in peace.

And that is where the problems will start - the press and the public who won't let Diana rest in peace and will be comparing Kate to Diana.

Unfortunately for Kate she will have to deal with the ghostof Diana with regard to the public and the press and thus there is an extra person to consider in what she does. I just hope she can live with that ghost in her life and her marriage - every time she puts on her engagement ring she has the ghost of Diana with her.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:34 PM
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No she has a momento that belonged to her fiance's/husbands late mother.

Kate is not the first and certainly not the last woman to receive a wedding ring that belonged to someone else.

I wonder if there would be a fuss if Tom Parker Bowles had used the ring that his parents had used at their marriage. Or David Linley? Or the Harewood boys? If the bride to be doesn't mind...why should we? Serena Linelys (as pointed out by Scooter) wedding dress was a tribute to Princess Margaret and no one raised a fuss. Carole and Pippa Middleton are seen outside of a Bruce Oldfield shop and suddenly, Diana is standing at the altar with Kate and William.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:48 PM
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No she has a momento that belonged to her fiance's/husbands late mother.

Kate is not the first and certainly not the last woman to receive a wedding ring that belonged to someone else.

I wonder if there would be a fuss if Tom Parker Bowles had used the ring that his parents had used at their marriage. Or David Linley? Or the Harewood boys? If the bride to be doesn't mind...why should we? Serena Linelys (as pointed out by Scooter) wedding dress was a tribute to Princess Margaret and no one raised a fuss. Carole and Pippa Middleton are seen outside of a Bruce Oldfield shop and suddenly, Diana is standing at the altar with Kate and William.
I so agree with you. And I still don't see what all the fuss is about.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:51 PM
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No she has a momento that belonged to her fiance's/husbands late mother.

Kate is not the first and certainly not the last woman to receive a wedding ring that belonged to someone else.

I wonder if there would be a fuss if Tom Parker Bowles had used the ring that his parents had used at their marriage. Or David Linley? Or the Harewood boys? If the bride to be doesn't mind...why should we? Serena Linelys (as pointed out by Scooter) wedding dress was a tribute to Princess Margaret and no one raised a fuss. Carole and Pippa Middleton are seen outside of a Bruce Oldfield shop and suddenly, Diana is standing at the altar with Kate and William.

Every time she reads a paper she sees herself compared to Diana or a reference to Diana - that is the ghost I am talking about - the press and the public.

The ring reminds the public of Diana and thus she can't get away from that ghost.

William's references to wanting his mother present with him on the day of the engagement and even the idea that the Abbey was chosen because that is where Diana's funeral was held (and yes I know there have been a lot of other events there but that is the one that was reported as to why William wanted the wedding there) sounds like William wants a dead woman as part of his life in a public way.

It is for this reason that she really has to start to make a statement to separate herself from Diana - to break that ghost in the public's mind.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:11 PM
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It is for this reason that she really has to start to make a statement to separate herself from Diana - to break that ghost in the public's mind.
I think you mean well. But I do not see Catherine doing that. She is not going to talk about personal things to the news media. Their staff with monitor the the news. Prince Charles said in an interview with US anchorman Brian Williams that he does not read the newspapers.

I think Ms. Middleton is going to be a companion and help mate like the Duchess is to Prince Charles. It will be hard to get news about them until the royal duties start. The comparison will always be there because it sells.
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Right...the press and the public. Frankly, there are always going to be people who can't get over Diana (both the fans and the critics). This discussion is a clear example of that.

Diana was divorced by 1996 and dead by 1997. During her marriage, there were many times that she didn't wear the engagement ring, and just wore her wedding band. She has also been dead for 10 plus years...frankly, when I see Kate wearing the ring (and I am a Diana fan)...I don't see Diana. I see Kate in a beautiful ring. But that is just me.

Back on topic...I think Kate will be as well known as Diana but not as popular. The press will certainly try to as Diana was known to increase magazine sales and the like. But I think Kate will try to fly under the radar so to speak. Above the radar enough not to court criticism about her duties but that about it.

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I think you mean well. But I do not see Catherine doing that. She is not going to talk about personal things to the news media. Their staff with monitor the the news. Prince Charles said in an interview with US anchorman Brian Williams that he does not read the newspapers.

I think Ms. Middleton is going to be a companion and help mate like the Duchess is to Prince Charles. It will be hard to get news about them until the royal duties start. The comparison will always be there because it sells.
Yes, I agree that there would have been comparisons to Diana no matter WHO William married. I am just thankful she isn't a blonde. Lord save us from the comparisons if Harry marries to type (i.e. Chelsy being a blonde).
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Right...the press and the public. Frankly, there are always going to be people who can't get over Diana (both the fans and the critics). This discussion is a clear example of that.

Diana was divorced by 1996 and dead by 1997. During her marriage, there were many times that she didn't wear the engagement ring, and just wore her wedding band. She has also been dead for 10 plus years...frankly, when I see Kate wearing the ring (and I am a Diana fan)...I don't see Diana. I see Kate in a beautiful ring. But that is just me.

Back on topic...I think Kate will be as well known as Diana but not as popular. The press will certainly try to as Diana was known to increase magazine sales and the like. But I think Kate will try to fly under the radar so to speak. Above the radar enough not to court criticism about her duties but that about it.
Not just you, I see it the same way. My opinion on this is similar to yours, but you state it in a nicer way - I can come across as explosive when I'm passionate about something.

As for the second part, I think so too and then I imagine that the press will be miffed - they might see it as going back in time +/- years when there was no Diana yet.
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William and Harry have made statements about letting their mother rest in peace. Its the rest of us (or some of us) that can't move on.

ETA: I am not going to lie, as I will be thinking of Diana on April 29th. That she didn't live long enough to see her son marry. And when his children are born, I will think of Diana. I will think the same of Harry. If I was born during the 60's I would have thought the same for the Queen in regards to her father when Andrew and Edward was born. I think the same for my neice who lost her mother, and a girlfriend (at her wedding) because her mother was deceased. I think that is a natural human instinct.
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I think you mean well. But I do not see Catherine doing that. She is not going to talk about personal things to the news media. Their staff with monitor the the news. Prince Charles said in an interview with US anchorman Brian Williams that he does not read the newspapers.

I think Ms. Middleton is going to be a companion and help mate like the Duchess is to Prince Charles. It will be hard to get news about them until the royal duties start. The comparison will always be there because it sells.

She doesn't need to make a public, verbal statement but be more subtle than that e.g. use designers not associated with Diana, get involved in charities with no connection to Diana, do things Diana loathed etc. That kind of statement is what I meant.
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