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12-05-2012, 12:27 PM
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12-05-2012, 12:28 PM
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That is a bad example as a husband is considered next of kin thus it would not be unreasonable to be telling a husband how his wife is doing.
However, if someone called pretending to be MO's brother and info was given out, that would be wrong.
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Fair enough, though it's a bit of a special case. Nonetheless my points are:
1. Be it thehusband, a public figure etc. They should be taking every possible step to make sure they're speaking with the right person.
2. The Duchess is a public figure and unfortunately a target for bad people, with less luck they could have done much worse and so shouldn't be in a position to do the same in the future.
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12-05-2012, 12:28 PM
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What they did may be considered unethical, but it isn't as bad as the nurse giving out the information.
Spin it any way you want, what she did was worse than what they did.
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Is it a contest?
It's not attempting to spin anything to point out that the radio personalities were grossly unethical in their behaviour - no "may" about it.
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12-05-2012, 12:40 PM
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12-05-2012, 12:40 PM
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Would the nurse and operator be fired if this was anyone else whose family claimed to be calling?
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Yes, if a similar situation happened in the US and the family complained, the person could be fired and even prosecuted.
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12-05-2012, 12:42 PM
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The way the press yells their names as they walk by to try and get them to look up always reminds me of the flock of seagulls from Finding Nemo all yelling "Mine" over and over again.
It must feel a bit like this sometimes:
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12-05-2012, 12:45 PM
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"It's very special, as Kate is very special. It's my way of making sure my mother didn't miss out on today and the excitement." Prince William, November 16 2010
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12-05-2012, 12:45 PM
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12-05-2012, 01:02 PM
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Congratulations to William and Catherine. Hoping the sickness doesn't last much longer. My mother was sick her whole pregnancy with me and had it rough. That probably explains why she didn't have anymore babies after me. Wishing Catherine a safe delivery and no more issues with the pregnancy.  Can't wait to hear when the baby will arrive.
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12-05-2012, 01:16 PM
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British Royals @britishroyals The Church of England has issued a beautiful PRAYER for Prince William & Kate today. God our creator, we thank you for the wonder of new life and for the mystery of human love."We pray for William, Duke of Cambridge and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge as they prepare to receive the gift of their child."We thank you that we are known to you by name & loved by you from all eternity, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen"
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12-05-2012, 01:24 PM
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With regard to the unfortunate telephone call, I believe that the hospital operator and nurse were very poorly briefed about who might be likely to call and when. Their supervisor or manager or someone in administrative management there should have been briefed about whether or not members of the royal family would be likely to phone and when. Clearly no-one said anything to anyone about the fact that neither the Queen nor Prince Charles would ever be likely to telephone. As such, clearly the operator and the nurse thought they were actually speaking to the Queen (as unlikely as it now seems to be). So what do you do when confronted with the Queen on the telephone? ...."oh, sorry love, can't give out information like that.....no, dear, you may be the Queen but you're not next of kin...." I doubt very much many of us would have said that.
Having now heard the entire hoax call, I am very angry that not only did these so- called presenters put two people in a very difficult sitaution with the potential of losing their jobs (just for the fun of it - hey, lets just muck someone's life up and get them into trouble), they have treated the Queen and the Prince of Wales in a very ungracious, mocking, and quite frankly childish way.
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12-05-2012, 01:40 PM
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Exactly, while some are sending the nurse to The Tower of London, these radio presenters are getting what they wanted, fame. Their prank is all over the news, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, BBC, Sky, etc. What they did was violate the privacy of a patient.
I'm just happy this crazy incident haven't dampen the spirits of TRH.
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12-05-2012, 01:58 PM
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If she is really having twins when would the public find out?
In the US that would definitely be a HIPAA violation. But at our hospital people always ask how the surgery went or how the patient is doing and we always say "fine" or "they are sleeping" or whatever unless there are specific people we are told no to tell any information with. If you're vague enough it's generally fine at my hospital.
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12-05-2012, 02:01 PM
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For those wanting to hear the radio hoax:
I really want to hear the one that happened to the queen!
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12-05-2012, 02:18 PM
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12-05-2012, 02:42 PM
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Paul Harrison @SkyNewsRoyal #Kate's mum, Carole, arrives at the hospital to see her daughter - walked in the front door. Judging by media reax, she'll leave by taxi!
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12-05-2012, 02:55 PM
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Paul Harrison @SkyNewsRoyal #Kate's mum, Carole, arrives at the hospital to see her daughter - walked in the front door. Judging by media reax, she'll leave by taxi!
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If the Middletons went in via a back entrance yesterday, I wonder why everyone else doesn't use the back entrance to go in too.
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12-05-2012, 02:56 PM
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Perhaps not, but this isn't just anyone. If this was the USA, Michelle Obama would have been in hospital and someone would have made a hoax call pretending to be Barack Obama asking private question, would the nurse been able to keep her job? I doubt it.
No information should be given on anyone unless you're sure the patient agrees (or in this case, you're sure you are indeed speaking with the Queen), but it's more than that. Thankfully it's 'just' a revolting but harmless prank, what if it was someone with truly bad intentions?
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Actually, I would doubt strongly that Michelle would be in a hospital in one of the States or Districts whose labor laws permit firing someone merely because a celebrity/security risk is involved. ALL patient information is inviolate - BUT, certain people (family members) are allowed to inquire over the phone. If someone fraudulent misrepresents themselves to hospital staff, labor laws in most states afford the employee quite a bit of protection (even at a private hospital; most nurses are, btw, unionized for just this kind of protection).
So I doubt that the person would be fired. I work at institution with federally enforced privacy laws (FERPA) and while employees are sometimes given 3 or 7 or 10 days without pay at their first violation, they are never, ever fired (that's a whole other can of worms). Labor law is pretty clear that if employees have not materially harmed someone (and this nurse did not), that the first incidence of breaking a rule should result in disciplinary action, not outright firing. Most nurses here in the U.S. would have that in their employment contract even if they weren't unionized.
Kate herself was not hurt, harassed, spoken to by the caller or anything else. The information released merely confirmed that she was in the hospital (which was already known) and the only "extra" information that was in violation of what would be U.S. federal laws on these matters was that she was sleeping comfortably.
No, the person would not be fired if it were Michelle Obama, Ronald Reagan (when he was alive), Lindsay Lohan, Mrs. Romney or any other person you could think of with "status" of any kind in the U.S.
But it's interesting that someone would think that would be so automatic...anywhere. Where I live, good nurses are in such short supply that certainly a less dramatic and punitive consequence would be applied in a case like this one. Indeed, employers (like the University of Virginia) have been forced to rehire employees when capricious firings took place...
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12-05-2012, 02:57 PM
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If the Middletons went in via a back entrance yesterday, I wonder why everyone else doesn't use the back entrance to go in too.
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Perhaps at this point there are photogs at both entrances? I would assume so. Then one would choose the entrance that was otherwise most practical.
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