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Old 08-20-2008, 04:40 AM
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From reading these links and posts that are in this forum and connected to the links, it seems to me that Kate is just the kind of woman for Prince William and the BRF. She is strong and emotionally stable, and can endure the publicity and overcome speculations of Prince William. The problem is, when will they marry? It seems to me disappointingly that Prince William might be a the kind of man a woman calls a "stringer", this term describes a man who strings a woman along in a relationship a very long time and never marries her. I feel very sorry for Kate Middleton, unless the marry very soon, then I will feel better about the situation.
Whilst everybody loves a right royal wedding, I am a little concerned about why the lack of an engagement or forthcoming wedding is starting to be questioned negatively recently. I would have thought that there are a few obvious answers for this:

1) Wills needs to finish all his military attachments, and establish himself as a working royal before he can settle down
2) He is still only 26, which is very young to be getting married. These days, very few people in the UK marry until they are about 30. I'm not saying that this will preclude a royal wedding, but it certain;y means there is no pressure on them (other than from the media!)
3) Once married, no doubt the Press will be clamouring for them to have children - which is something they certaibly may not be ready for.
4) Once married, Kate will need to be introduced as a working royal. If the BRF play their cards right, she will be a big hit and will get a lot of positive attention. Surely it is important that the "William" brand is well established before Kate comes along.
5) Similarly, brand Camilla still needs some more time. Lets not forget before Will (& Kate?) can be crowned, Camilla needs to get a little more establisked as the consort of the future King!

.... and all of this is before you get to the point of "stringer" - this is a common attribute that runs across the male species and is not unique just to the men of the BRF!!!! I am sure many a young lady will agree with me on this point.
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Old 08-20-2008, 05:09 AM
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Kate Middleton might technically be a private person but it's naive to believe that somebody who is publicly dating the future monarch of Britain won't be subject to a scrutinized public interest - at least not when she's all over the place with her boyfriend. It would be a different story if Kate would lead a low profile life but she decided not to. You can't have it both ways in the 21st media century and no need to feel sorry for her - if she didn't like the heat she wouldn't be in the kitchen I guess.

People are free to ask who pays for her lifestyle, why not.
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Old 08-20-2008, 06:45 AM
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It would be a different story if Kate would lead a low profile life but she decided not to.
Perhaps a medieval convent with 12 foot walls? Or to quote the old song, "dig a hole and crawl right in it, and pull the ground right in over her"?
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Old 08-20-2008, 07:58 AM
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Perhaps a medieval convent with 12 foot walls? Or to quote the old song, "dig a hole and crawl right in it, and pull the ground right in over her"?
But that's exactly the point. She does not live in a convent, and like it or not, she is dating a public man, the future king, and she herself might assume a public role. It is naive to think that she won't be subjected to scrutiny.
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Old 08-20-2008, 08:15 AM
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It's quite a leap from being "exposed to public scrutiny" to people wanting to know who pays for her hairdresser [see previous page]. That's not "scrutiny" but more akin to unhealthy obsession.
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Old 08-20-2008, 08:31 AM
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True Warren but I think what people are getting at is that they couldnīt care less who pays for her clothes, travel, hairdresser and may I say boots, as long as it isnīt the British tax payer, which I am sure it isnīt. Besides it wasnīt that long ago that the epithet "kept woman" was a terrible thing, please donīt think I am saying that Miss Middleton is this, her parents are well off and can easily pay for their daughter to do all the things she is doing and if they are happy about that then whose business is it? What is of interest to the British Public is whether Prince Williamīs elected is above criticism and I really think that she should keep a lower profile, it is difficult as the press and photographers can get good money for writing about her and getting an exclusive photograph. Perhaps a castle or convent with high walls isnīt quite the thing but a job 9-5 and more private destinations for their various holidays would be wise. I really think that if Kate Middleton is going to marry her Prince she will have to work on her public image more than she has. At the beginning of the romance she was Britainīs sweetheart and Chelsy was hinted at not being quite the girl for Harry, now for some reason Chelsy is the more popular one. There must be a reason for this and it must be of some concern to both Kate Middleton and Prince William and their respective families.
For me, I am a monarchist and anything that seems to put the monarchy in danger worries me.
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I really think that she should keep a lower profile, it is difficult as the press and photographers can get good money for writing about her and getting an exclusive photograph. Perhaps a castle or convent with high walls isnīt quite the thing but a job 9-5
Kate had a job with Jig-Saw and went to work in the morning and came home every evening with a few photographers along for the ride. Every day she was photographed coming out and going in to her apartment. If you go back to some of the older threads from that time period you can read posts where people were joking about opening a thread called "Kate leaves her apartment" (or something similar) there were that many photographs available of her every single day. She left that job, moved out of London and is now rarely photographed, the only way for her to keep a lower profile is for her to never leave her home.

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She is? I will admit that Chelsy has become a useful tool for those who dislike Kate in certain sites because apparently you can't like both girls and wish them both well in life (much like the Letizia and Mary situation that is sometimes found here) but go beyond the royal boards and most people are very surprised to find out that Harry has a girlfriend and now that he is starting to be viewed as the good looking prince most comments that follow this discovery of Chesly aren't very mature. I think the average British citizen doesn't give a whole lot of thought to Kate Middleton and even less to Chelsy Davy.
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:16 AM
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Kate Middleton might technically be a private person but it's naive to believe that somebody who is publicly dating the future monarch of Britain won't be subject to a scrutinized public interest - at least not when she's all over the place with her boyfriend. It would be a different story if Kate would lead a low profile life but she decided not to. You can't have it both ways in the 21st media century and no need to feel sorry for her - if she didn't like the heat she wouldn't be in the kitchen I guess.

People are free to ask who pays for her lifestyle, why not.
People are free to ask, but whether or not it is actually their business is another matter altogether. There is nothing technical about Kate being a private person. She is a private person right up until to the minute when she is wearing the ring. Dating a prince does not make her public property and it is her private affair as to who pays for her lifestyle as long as she hasn't been added to the civil list.

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True Warren but I think what people are getting at is that they couldnīt care less who pays for her clothes, travel, hairdresser and may I say boots, as long as it isnīt the British tax payer, which I am sure it isnīt. Besides it wasnīt that long ago that the epithet "kept woman" was a terrible thing, please donīt think I am saying that Miss Middleton is this, her parents are well off and can easily pay for their daughter to do all the things she is doing and if they are happy about that then whose business is it? What is of interest to the British Public is whether Prince Williamīs elected is above criticism and I really think that she should keep a lower profile, it is difficult as the press and photographers can get good money for writing about her and getting an exclusive photograph. Perhaps a castle or convent with high walls isnīt quite the thing but a job 9-5 and more private destinations for their various holidays would be wise. I really think that if Kate Middleton is going to marry her Prince she will have to work on her public image more than she has. At the beginning of the romance she was Britainīs sweetheart and Chelsy was hinted at not being quite the girl for Harry, now for some reason Chelsy is the more popular one. There must be a reason for this and it must be of some concern to both Kate Middleton and Prince William and their respective families.
For me, I am a monarchist and anything that seems to put the monarchy in danger worries me.
LOL. Sorry Menarue, but I have to laugh. How much more private should they get? Seychelles and Mustique being among the smallest islands around! Can they help it if they get stalked to the airport?
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:21 AM
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[quote=Amelia I think the average British citizen doesn't give a whole lot of thought to Kate Middleton and even less to Chelsy Davy.[/quote]

Well that is comforting to know.
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:35 AM
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I don't want to be rude to anyone but if you don't care how Kate spends her money, then don't come into a thread about her money. Cause some of us do want to talk about it.
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:37 AM
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Sure, it's no one's business, but how she lives and what she does matter to people because she may potentially be their queen, and in these modern times, who wants someone who cannot support herself (if she had to); who's basically a hanger-on, as queen?
Who says she cannot support herself? I am sure she is quite capable of supporting herself but she has the luxury of not having to. That is what is objectionable to those who have from the first day after her graduation from college been screaming about her lack of a job.

Until Kate Middleton becomes Princess William of Wales, I think it safe to assum you can rest assured that no one, William, nor Charles, etc., would be stupid enough to use public funds to subsidize Kate's lifestyle. Those people are independently wealthy and how they choose to use their private funds is not up for public approval. Likewise what her family gives to her is no one's business...even AFTER she marries William.

I long ago have come to the conclusion that some people who have spent the last 5 years repeatedly, on a daily basis, gone from forum to forum attacking this girl for anything, any shred of information that leaks about her should perhaps take a vacation from William and Kate watching. If her existence is that troublesome, ignore her. This crusade by some against this girl, who has yet to speak one world publicly in defense of her reputation and/lifestyle or anything else, long ago became an unhealthy obsession as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:49 AM
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I don't want to be rude to anyone but if you don't care how Kate spends her money, then don't come into a thread about her money. Cause some of us do want to talk about it.
Zembla, the thread is "Kate Middleton: is she rich or not", not "Kate Middleton: How she spends her money". Also, all members are allowed to post in whatever thread they like as long as they observe the community rules.
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:56 AM
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People are free to ask, but whether or not it is actually their business is another matter altogether ... Dating a prince does not make her public property and it is her private affair as to who pays for her lifestyle as long as she hasn't been added to the civil list.
Being asked does not mean being forced to give an answer. British taxpayers would have a justified interest in the matter in case there is a confirmation about members of the BRF funding Kate's lifestyle. Until then I couldn't care less, she's not the first (or only) girl in British society who would benefit from a rich boyfriend and she won't be the last. The only thing that bothers me about it is that people more and more get the impression (eg when looking at Wills'n'Kate) that new royalty is equally to celebrity lifestyle = rich, hedonistic and bored and with the values of old royalty like dedication, determination or conscientiousness just a fading memory.
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Hey, Kime, Mustique seems to be old hat by now..... Surely there is some more remote place for private holidays. The problem is getting there. Once, just before she got engaged Lady Diana Spencer flew out to Australia economy class and no one noticed. I wonder how she did this? Probably because no one(photographers press) was told about it beforehand.
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We didn't have paparazzi at Australian airports in those days, in fact we barely had anything resembling paparazzi at all. We do now.
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Youīre right Warren, they probably didnīt even know who Diana was before her marriage.
Just think of the photographic scoop! I think she managed to surprise everyone even in England, I believe they only knew after she had returned. The good old days for royals. (Or at least the ones that didnīt want their photos in the news and magazines). This hounding of a young girl before she is even engaged is bad but in a way it could be called an "apprenticeship" because if she does get her man it will only get worse and at least she will know what she is getting into.
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Being asked does not mean being forced to give an answer. British taxpayers would have a justified interest in the matter in case there is a confirmation about members of the BRF funding Kate's lifestyle. Until then I couldn't care less, she's not the first (or only) girl in British society who would benefit from a rich boyfriend and she won't be the last. The only thing that bothers me about it is that people more and more get the impression (eg when looking at Wills'n'Kate) that new royalty is equally to celebrity lifestyle = rich, hedonistic and bored and with the values of old royalty like dedication, determination or conscientiousness just a fading memory.
If, and it is a very big if, Kate's lifestyle is being funded by a royal, the only ones that would be inclined to do it are either William or Charles. Since neither of them are on the civil list, how exactly is it a taxpayer concern?

The old values of royalty also came with acceptance that royal brides did not work before the marriage. You can't modernize the royals and still expect all the traditional behavior.
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The old values of royalty also came with acceptance that royal brides did not work before the marriage. You can't modernize the royals and still expect all the traditional behavior.
Hmmmmh can't think of any royal bride or groom who did not work before marriage. In the new generation anyone I can think of had a job eg Masako, Letizia, Maxima, Diana ... except Kate but she's not a royal bride yet. Even in the older generation - eg Prince Philip in the navy, Queen Sofia as a nurse, Queen Silvia as an interpreter, Prince Claus as a diplomat ... this is the generation I was referring to and all had jobs before they married a royal, some of them are even royals by birth.
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I wonder what is really meant by modernizing the royals? It is such an ancient institution that only exists because it is so ancient, a blood line directly back to the first kings giving them rights, and now in modern times duties to their people, this giving them duties seems to be already modernization. They used to be able to chop off peopleīs heads, perhaps not as easily as it may seem in history books, as there were courts and law. Does modernization mean becoming "one" with their subjects?
The Queen already pays taxes and the civil list has been reduced considerably, there is talk that royal titles are going to be rationed..... It still startles me a bit that a Royal Prince has two children who have no titles.... If the royal family gets even more modern it seems it will be doing itself out of a job.
Parts of the Palace are open to the public, we can now view a good part of the art collection, I wonder what Queen Victoria would have thought about all this?
I am not saying I approve or disapprove, it wouldnīt matter to anyone anyway.
Perhaps I am just thinking out loud on a site dedicated to Royalty!
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Sure, it's no one's business, but how she lives and what she does matter to people because she may potentially be their queen, and in these modern times, who wants someone who cannot support herself (if she had to); who's basically a hanger-on, as queen? And I'm not saying that she is, but sometimes an impression becomes the reality in some people's minds, especially if they hear it often enough. And that kind of reputation will be hard to erase, especially with the pervasiveness of salacious tabloids who will gladly invent stories to further stir the pot. This may seem old-fashioned of me, but I still see a princess/future queen as someone who could be a role model; someone young women can look up to and choose to emulate. I don't know about you, but I would like my children to choose someone independent, strong, and hard-working as their role model. Again, I am not saying that Kate is not any of these things; all I'm saying is that she should take care not to give the impression that she is not.
Excellent post, I particularly like the fact that you are very much on the fence, so to speak, and have addressed both sides of the argument.

Kate is not the only person in this country to have come from a comfortable family background. Yet, most, rather than living off their parents hard earned wealth, choose to make something of themselves.
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