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Old 04-21-2011, 02:24 AM
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How quick the worm turns. Just yesterday this same newspaper was implying that the Middletons were being snubbed by the Queen. Now its joy! Joy I say

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THE Queen and Prince Philip had lunch with Kate Middleton’s parents yesterday and then broke with tradition by announcing the historic meeting.


Michael and Carole ­Middleton were invited to Windsor Castle to meet the monarch for the first time – to break the ice ahead of next week’s Royal Wedding.
They spent an hour and a half at a convivial lunch with the Queen and Philip and senior members of the Royal Household.



Read more: Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Kate Middleton’s joy as her parents finally meet the Queen
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:24 AM
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^ her parents weren't supposed to say anything at all?
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:56 AM
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If you looked at every individual who has married into the royal family at least in modern times, they place their family crest next to their husband's and that becomes their royal coat of arms. Besides that fact anyone can get a coat of arms if they qualify. It doesn't bother me that the Middletons have a family crest. They created one and now get to pass it to other generations through James. It's pretty cool if you ask me. Why can't they have one? Why shouldn't they use one? It's not only meant for royals. Or aristocracy for that matter.
It amazes me; in other European monarchies it's not practized; the relatives of "a royal by marriage" who doesn't come from nobility remain commoners.
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:39 AM
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^ her parents weren't supposed to say anything at all?
Not sure what you mean by her parents were supposed to say anything.
Since Buckingham Palace announced the lunch, they really didn't need to say anthing.

My sarcastic reply about joy was in reference to the Express and how fast they "spun" their story around without acknowledging that perhaps they were in error for reporting so quickly (and without substance) that the Middleton's were being snubbed.
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Old 04-21-2011, 08:38 AM
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it says in the article that her parents broke with royal protocol and revealed that they had met the queen. So I was just wondering if they were't supposed to say they met her? What is expected, in such a scenario?
I should have made clear that I was just referring to the article, not your reply:)
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Old 04-21-2011, 08:40 AM
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ugh, i just realized the article meant that the palace broke with protocol, not the Middletons!
I feel really silly now:(
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Old 04-21-2011, 08:44 AM
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No worries.

The article implies (to me at least) that the Queen and the DoE broke with tradition in announcing that they had lunched with the Middletons. Not the other way around. Probably in an effort IMO to put an end to some of the more ridiculous stories.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:04 AM
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What is meant by "senior members of the Royal household" ... they did not say "family". Who are the "senior members of the household"? And along the same lines, we are always reading about "the courtiers" (usually being unhappy about something), WHO are these people as well? They seem to carry a lot of influence but seem faceless.

Just curious .......
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:08 AM
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Master of the Household, Deputy Master, Private Secretary, Ladies in Waiting etc...
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:30 PM
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Thank you, I wondered about that. I wonder though, why a private secretary, or master of the household etc., would be invited to a luncheon of that kind. It seems rather strange as these people, to me, seem to be the "business types" and I wonder why they would be chosen to be included other than for the purpose of filling chairs. It seems rather an impersonal choice, IMO.
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:34 PM
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Well it may be odd to us but perhaps they are used to it.

The Queen is going to discuss particulars about the wedding if the private secretaries were involved in helping with the event. She probably knows the basics. Based on The Queen and other movies I have seen about royals, the people in the household know A LOT about whats going on in the real world and are trusted employees. Perhaps they are educating or discussing certain things with the Middleton's. I wouldn't imagine the Queen would be doing that.
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:36 PM
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Thanks ...... that DOES make sense.
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Old 04-21-2011, 06:39 PM
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My husband read an article today the Middleton contributed $163,000 to wedding paying for bridesmaid dresses, honeymoon and hotel among othe things. I will try and find
Edit- http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110418...20110418190257

Oh it says bridal dressES.......
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Old 04-21-2011, 06:43 PM
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What is meant by "senior members of the Royal household" ... they did not say "family". Who are the "senior members of the household"? And along the same lines, we are always reading about "the courtiers" (usually being unhappy about something), WHO are these people as well? They seem to carry a lot of influence but seem faceless.

Just curious .......
These are the people who run the Monarchy. They are generally from the aristocracy, civil and or armed services. Sometimes they are even friends of the Royal Family, as was the case with Patrick Plunket. He grew up with the Queen and she considered him to be like a brother. In adult life he had a senior posting in the Palace, I can't remember what it was, but I remember he was very good at planning state banquets and such. Sadly he passed away from cancer in 1975. The Queen built a small bench in Windsor Great Park, where they use to sit, as a memorial.
Palace courtiers tend to be made of stern stuff, the made life hell for Diana and Sarah. Robert Fellows, the Queen's private secretary (top post in the palace) was Diana's brother in law! Sarah (fergie) referred to the Palace Courtiers as "the gray men".
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How odd...did I read the article right in that Kate's (I assume 3) dresses cost $20,000 and Pippa's $30,000. I hope I'm just tired.
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How odd...did I read the article right in that Kate's (I assume 3) dresses cost $20,000 and Pippa's $30,000. I hope I'm just tired.
You're just tired :) flip that! and truthfully I still doubt the three dress thing, my bet is there are only 2, one for wedding/formal reception and one for that night
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Pippa attended the Engagement Party of Holly Branson to Fred Andrews, Kensington Roof Gardens, London.

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Old 04-22-2011, 12:08 AM
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These are the people who run the Monarchy. They are generally from the aristocracy, civil and or armed services. Sometimes they are even friends of the Royal Family, as was the case with Patrick Plunket. He grew up with the Queen and she considered him to be like a brother. In adult life he had a senior posting in the Palace, I can't remember what it was, but I remember he was very good at planning state banquets and such. Sadly he passed away from cancer in 1982 (?). The Queen built a small bench in Windsor Great Park, where they use to sit, as a memorial.
Palace courtiers tend to be made of stern stuff, the made life hell for Diana and Sarah. Robert Fellows, the Queen's private secretary (top post in the palace) was Diana's brother in law! Sarah (fergie) referred to the Palace Courtiers as "the gray men".
Yes, I recall the "gray men" term. They sound like a nice bunch (sarcasm). So they "run" the monarchy"? It will be interesting to see who does the running in the future when QEII is gone. Sounds like the "monarchy" has no freedom. I would assume that when Charles is King we will get to see Nicholas Soames throwing his copius weight around.
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Old 04-22-2011, 12:56 AM
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Thank you, I wondered about that. I wonder though, why a private secretary, or master of the household etc., would be invited to a luncheon of that kind. It seems rather strange as these people, to me, seem to be the "business types" and I wonder why they would be chosen to be included other than for the purpose of filling chairs. It seems rather an impersonal choice, IMO.
Not necessarily. These people are the mechanics which turn the wheels of the monarchy on a daily basis. They hold preeminent positions within the Royal Household and are in contact with the monarch and her family every day. Notable that they are either aristocrats themselves, or are high ranking civil and military service personnel so although they are employed by the Queen, they are quite worthy of a chair at lunch when required

The Middleton's may not be a part of the family, per say, but it's natural they should be expected to familiarise with notable members of the Household. They are, afterall, the parents of a future Queen of England, respectively.
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Old 04-22-2011, 02:43 AM
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As an American, considering "Coats of Arms," I must say that women can use a shield if they wish - and no one cares if anything is official!

It's cool that England has official coats of arms (yes, we're a bit jealous), but on the other hand, it's also cool that we Americans feel inspired to design our own.
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