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Old 04-11-2011, 03:30 AM
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Kate Middleton background

I agree with MrsJ, why is everything negative about the family untrue, it could be equally very true indeed. An example is Pippa, dating a person with no particular wealth, then the phrase which can mean a lot "as far as I know", and it turns out that her boyfriend comes from a very well off family and he is a friend of Prince William's with a family park open to visitors.
All I know is that both Pippa and Carole have the reputation for being social climbers and I have to add, if they are, they have been very successful.
By the way what does copacetic mean?
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Old 04-11-2011, 04:28 AM
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Something which is satisfactory.
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Old 04-13-2011, 12:56 AM
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I agree with MrsJ, why is everything negative about the family untrue, it could be equally very true indeed.
As some put it before, it could be, but the same people that wrote those kind of news, also were the ones publishing thing about the Middleton that we know are not true, like the "pardom" story.

It's hard to believe in those who call themselves Royal Reporters, but can't get litllest things right. If you didn't even know when the Middletons actually met The Queen, how I'm supposed to believe in more private affairs like personalities?!. pfff.

To each his own, but it's importante to make sure you know the history of the source.
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Old 04-13-2011, 01:41 PM
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Well, if all goes according to plan, James's sister will be Queen.
How is that negative?
Can you provide sources that he is being quite vocal about it because I haven't seen anything like that in the British media.

As previously mentioned, I would take everything mentioned in British tabloids with a grain of salt. Remember Carole supposedly offending the Queen with her use of the word toilet (or something along those lines) and they have never even met? Or Catherine meeting with the Queen on several occassions in the past, when the first time they met was a Peter's wedding?

I find it ironic that Pippa is accused of dating only wealthy guys when in fact she is dating people that are now in her social circle. Don't most people date people who fall into the following categories 1) they grew up together 2) went to school together 3) met at church or 4) thru a social circle....with the advance of the internet we can now throw in online dating...but why is it hard for Pippa? Is it because her social circle is different than they one she was born into? Why does no one accuse wealthy girls of dating only wealthy guys? Aren't they dating people in their social circle...or is it the double edged nastiness of the British class system?
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Old 04-13-2011, 01:54 PM
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...but why is it hard for Pippa? Is it because her social circle is different than they one she was born into? Why does no one accuse wealthy girls of dating only wealthy guys? Aren't they dating people in their social circle...or is it the double edged nastiness of the British class system?
The last is how it comes across to me. You don't rise above your class when you are a commoner and you don't go below your class when you are wealthy.
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Old 04-13-2011, 02:11 PM
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And these comments are probably from the very people who are anti-monarchy/anti aristocracy.

Oh, the irony!!!!
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:27 PM
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Something nice about the Middletons...

They've been married, seemingly happily, for over thirty years. They started with little or not a lot, and have been ambitious, clever, and successful enough to become fairly wealthy. They're self-made. They educated their children in fine fashion. They have hopes that their children will have better lives than they have had. They stuck together through thick and thin for all these years- not every couple does that.

So to the Hooray Harrys who care to criticize and mock (doors to manual) the Middletons, I would say, how do you and your family measure up to their standards?

ETA: I'm not calling anyone on here "Hooray Harrys"! Just some of the anonymous snobby types who are so eager to say 'social climbers', etc.
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:24 PM
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I agree with you.The Middletons have stayed together.Build a successful business together.They look like a nice family to me.
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Old 04-14-2011, 12:40 AM
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The social climber remarks are VERY BRITISH. British society is still driven by a strong social class system that you are either part of by birth or you are not. Becoming rich or havng other values doesnt make up for it. The mockery in the british media is based on that perception more than anything else what might be difficult to understand for somebody who is not familiar with the british way of social life and history.
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Old 04-14-2011, 01:27 AM
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Here in California, the Middletons are what we would call nice, healthy people. Lack of ambition is not a good thing here. Ambition is a tiny part of success.

Hard work, good character, spiritual connections to the world - these seem to be a recipe for success. None of us knows anything at all about the Middletons, really. Not in these respects.

Do we?

If you don't know, don't judge. There's no point in ignorant judgementalism.
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Yes, we Americans are a very strange lot indeed. I guess what I don't understand is ... if people in Britain don't like the class issues they complain about why not try and change those attitudes. Maybe in the long run that will be part of what Kate Middleton does simply by being who she is. It's a rather nice thought.
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did not know where to place this story if the mods feel it belongs somewhere else feel free to move it..

The mother of all dress dust-ups! Carole Middleton shocks top couturier by dismissing her weeks before the wedding and refusing to wear her outfit at Westminster Abbey | Mail Online
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:07 PM
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Its not just that they're social climbers, but they (Carole and Pippa) are snobby and prentitious about it. Thats what my impression of them is anyway.
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:14 PM
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Can I ask how you know that?

Have you had personal interactions with them?
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Old 04-17-2011, 04:32 AM
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Can I ask how you know that?

Have you had personal interactions with them?
IMO she makes it clear that it is her opinion by the last sentence she included (the "impression" part).
Yet I agree with your question, I wonder how that impression can come about - we hardly see them.
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Old 04-17-2011, 07:20 AM
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Something more about "Black Sheep" in Kate's family,her uncle Gary
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Old 04-17-2011, 07:32 AM
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IMO she makes it clear that it is her opinion by the last sentence she included (the "impression" part).
Yet I agree with your question, I wonder how that impression can come about - we hardly see them.
And thats why I asked the question, the negative perceptions of Carole and Pippa have largely been drawn by the media. That's why I asked if she knew them personally.

Also, making unsubstantiated claims followed by "imo" still comes across as a fact. How do you get this impression unless you know them?
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Old 04-17-2011, 08:06 AM
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And thats why I asked the question, the negative perceptions of Carole and Pippa have largely been drawn by the media. That's why I asked if she knew them personally.

Also, making unsubstantiated claims followed by "imo" still comes across as a fact. How do you get this impression unless you know them?
Generally I already agreed with you, though my first sentence perhaps indicated otherwise. The only one from the Middletons we see on a regular basis is Catherine. The rest (her parents, brother and sister) are largely living in the shadows.
So the question indeed remains where that impression comes from.
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Old 04-17-2011, 08:26 PM
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Old 04-17-2011, 08:31 PM
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WOW there must not be any real dirt on Kate and her family(besides her uncle I guess). The media is really trying too hard LOL.
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