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Old 08-01-2016, 04:38 PM
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I love when ever someone is critical they are jealous One doesn't need to be jealous cat ladies to think they are not good examples.

Michael and Carole what did they teach their kids???? Yes they got top educations, paid for by a family trust, but then??? Did they encourage them to get jobs? Continue education? Anything? No. They provided Kate a home and income for 8 years, when her 1 part time job lasted less than a year. Did they encourage her to volunteer, do more school, get a job? If they did, she didn't listen. Now Pippa has bounced between jobs, and lives in a parent provided flat while she plays socialite for charity.

I find it funny, aristocrats born into money expect their kids to work. I would think people who are self-made would want more for their kids.

I have no doubt if Carole put any importance on career, her daughters could likely have gone far.

I find it funny Bea gets criticized for leaving another job, and yet same people praise Pippa for the very same life.
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Old 08-01-2016, 04:50 PM
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There are a lot of aristocrats "born into money" that require absolutely nothing of their children. There are some very well known ones who do nothing but travel from glamorous place to place and loll about on yachts and go to expensive ski resorts in the winter. Not going to mention any names here but I think we can all name a few.
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Old 08-01-2016, 04:54 PM
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I find it funny, aristocrats born into money expect their kids to work. I would think people who are self-made would want more for their kids.

I have no doubt if Carole put any importance on career, her daughters could likely have gone far.

I find it funny Bea gets criticized for leaving another job, and yet same people praise Pippa for the very same life.
Many children of aristocrats don't work, have a look in Tatler some time. Pippa isn't hurting anyone, she doesn't live off the state.

You give a Bea a pass (along with all of Harry's exes) and choose to criticise Pippa and the Middleton at every turn.

Your prerogative, but what you're doing is no different from the people you call out for having a go at the Yorks.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:19 AM
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I wouldn't call a distant cousin that she has never met a family member. Nor "family sources" anything
In the article I saw the family member involved (cousin) wasn't distant or unknown and quite happy to include a photograph (Kate looked about 14 or 15) sitting with Carole and relatives on a couch.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:29 AM
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I wouldn't call a distant cousin that she has never met a family member. Nor "family sources" anything
It was a definite dig at Carole, she is the target, not Michael; in response to earlier post about Michael (or family) coming under the same fire as Carole (who apparently in some eyes married "up")
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Old 08-06-2016, 04:32 AM
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I think that Carole is seen as the chief offender in the "Trying to push the children into a higher social class" and I suspect it is true. I don't think she's TOO bad, but I'm not keen on the Middleton match as a whole..
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Old 08-06-2016, 11:01 AM
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I think exactly the opposite. The class system in the UK is becoming less and less structured and the days of the bon ton and the hoi polloi are long gone. Its been proven time and time again that marriage for status and titles and keeping a bloodline pure doesn't work in modern times.

The Middletons are a well respected family that have provided a safe, secure and loving home and life for their children and, by example, have shown how a marriage born out of love, teamwork and family first works. They would want no less for their children should they be a future king or a garbage collector or day laborer.
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I've always wondered, who are these guardians of the class system?

It's not the nobility, who have been marrying 'commoners' for generations.

Winston Churchill, son of Lord Randolph Churchill, grandson of the Duke of Marlborough, Churchill's mother was an American. Just one of dozens of examples.

The last time a princess married into the BRF was like 85 years ago. British royals marrying commoners has been the norm for years.

Look around Europe, we have Mary, Daniel, Maxima, et al all marrying into royalty.

Imo, anyone crowing about the class system is watching too much Downton Abbey.
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Old 08-06-2016, 11:30 AM
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I think that Carole is seen as the chief offender in the "Trying to push the children into a higher social class" and I suspect it is true. I don't think she's TOO bad, but I'm not keen on the Middleton match as a whole..
I don't think Carole is pushing her children into anything. Carole was a full time mom, who worked hard to provide for her kids. If anything, she has given them the love and support they need.

The media have a way of being snobs in their own right. The media spent years trying to match the future King with every eligible princess and heiress known to man. His father married an earls daughter, so they just knew his son would marry in his own class system. They had no clue the future King would go off to university and come home with a middle class girl. In their minds, that couldn't have been his doing, someone must've pushed her on him. That's where Carole comes in.

The media has given Carole the role of a madam.
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:56 PM
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I think exactly the opposite. The class system in the UK is becoming less and less structured and the days of the bon ton and the hoi polloi are long gone. Its been proven time and time again that marriage for status and titles and keeping a bloodline pure doesn't work in modern times.

The day laborer.
well what does work? People marry for love all the time and don't care about "class" and marriages fail.
I don't think that the class system has gone, it never will and while there is greater class mobility, that hardly guarantees successful marriages. Carl Gustaf of Sweden married a middle class girl for love, as far as I know he has been playing around and it isn't a case of being with one woman he loved, its been a lot of them.
I am sure the Middetons pushed to an extent, and I'm sure that they would not be too happy if their kids had (after all the wrok they did to make a fortune an send them to expensive schools) married well below themselves in terms of class and money.
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Charles feels neglected by his son and grandchildren according to the DM, as Carole is in charge. The comments are anti-Charles for the most part and go on for ever!

Is Charles locked in a Battle Royal with Carole over George? Where's Mrs Middleton, whisper the courtiers amid rumours she is being frozen out by a Prince begrudging her control of the grandchildren | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-07-2016, 07:15 AM
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That's just a rehash of the same story the DM has been going with for years. Below are the 2015 editions. It's why copy and paste is so important to 'writers' at the DM

Prince Charles says 'They don't let me see my grandson George' | Daily Mail Online

Just what (or who) is stopping Prince Charles seeing Prince George? | Daily Mail Online
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I love that the complaint now from the DM is that Carole planned George's birthday party and that Charles wanted to. I would think most people would want a woman who runs a party accessory company to help plan your 3yr old's birthday party rather than the Prince of Wales. I wonder if Charles actually went. He didn't go to the 2 previous ones and this year probably would had George's classmates at so a room full of 3 yr olds doesn't seem like Charles's idea of a great time.


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Old 08-07-2016, 09:57 AM
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Ha ha Charles doing a 3 year old birthday party. He would bring a book they would have to read and then sit down with him and discuss it. Lego buildings would be discussed at length and the party would finish with everyone having a chat with the flowers


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Old 08-07-2016, 10:37 AM
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As if The Cambridges are the kind of people who would endorse one grandparent over another freezing the other out. As if the the Royal Family at all seems to wrap itself in emotional drama. The mind reels at what people get paid to write.
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Old 09-11-2016, 05:34 PM
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Carole Middleton joins Kate and Will for church service near Balmoral as George and Charlotte continue their visit to 'Gan-Gan's' Scottish estate | Daily Mail Online

Very nice that the two ladies are enjoying a drive on the estate.
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No Mike? Maybe he came in a separated car.
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Old 09-11-2016, 06:10 PM
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It is possible if the cars were heading toward the lunch where the women were to meet the shooting party for lunch, Mike well could have been with the men out on the shoot. I would have imagined that if it was the church service, Mike and Carole would have been together.

Just pure speculation here folks.
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Maybe Mike's not there. It might be that he was stuck holding the fort at Party Pieces for some reason.
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:08 PM
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The story says 'Carole and husband Michael flew to Aberdeen on Thursday on a scheduled British Airways flight.'

Hopefully we'll get more pictures
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