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Old 08-06-2016, 10:13 AM
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I've always wondered, who are these guardians of the class system?

It's not the nobility, who have been marrying 'commoners' for generations.

Winston Churchill, son of Lord Randolph Churchill, grandson of the Duke of Marlborough, Churchill's mother was an American. Just one of dozens of examples.

The last time a princess married into the BRF was like 85 years ago. British royals marrying commoners has been the norm for years.

Look around Europe, we have Mary, Daniel, Maxima, et al all marrying into royalty.

Imo, anyone crowing about the class system is watching too much Downton Abbey.
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Old 08-06-2016, 10:30 AM
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I think that Carole is seen as the chief offender in the "Trying to push the children into a higher social class" and I suspect it is true. I don't think she's TOO bad, but I'm not keen on the Middleton match as a whole..
I don't think Carole is pushing her children into anything. Carole was a full time mom, who worked hard to provide for her kids. If anything, she has given them the love and support they need.

The media have a way of being snobs in their own right. The media spent years trying to match the future King with every eligible princess and heiress known to man. His father married an earls daughter, so they just knew his son would marry in his own class system. They had no clue the future King would go off to university and come home with a middle class girl. In their minds, that couldn't have been his doing, someone must've pushed her on him. That's where Carole comes in.

The media has given Carole the role of a madam.
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Old 08-06-2016, 05:56 PM
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I think exactly the opposite. The class system in the UK is becoming less and less structured and the days of the bon ton and the hoi polloi are long gone. Its been proven time and time again that marriage for status and titles and keeping a bloodline pure doesn't work in modern times.

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well what does work? People marry for love all the time and don't care about "class" and marriages fail.
I don't think that the class system has gone, it never will and while there is greater class mobility, that hardly guarantees successful marriages. Carl Gustaf of Sweden married a middle class girl for love, as far as I know he has been playing around and it isn't a case of being with one woman he loved, its been a lot of them.
I am sure the Middetons pushed to an extent, and I'm sure that they would not be too happy if their kids had (after all the wrok they did to make a fortune an send them to expensive schools) married well below themselves in terms of class and money.
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Old 08-07-2016, 01:44 AM
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Charles feels neglected by his son and grandchildren according to the DM, as Carole is in charge. The comments are anti-Charles for the most part and go on for ever!

Is Charles locked in a Battle Royal with Carole over George? Where's Mrs Middleton, whisper the courtiers amid rumours she is being frozen out by a Prince begrudging her control of the grandchildren | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-07-2016, 06:15 AM
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That's just a rehash of the same story the DM has been going with for years. Below are the 2015 editions. It's why copy and paste is so important to 'writers' at the DM

Prince Charles says 'They don't let me see my grandson George' | Daily Mail Online

Just what (or who) is stopping Prince Charles seeing Prince George? | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-07-2016, 08:44 AM
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I love that the complaint now from the DM is that Carole planned George's birthday party and that Charles wanted to. I would think most people would want a woman who runs a party accessory company to help plan your 3yr old's birthday party rather than the Prince of Wales. I wonder if Charles actually went. He didn't go to the 2 previous ones and this year probably would had George's classmates at so a room full of 3 yr olds doesn't seem like Charles's idea of a great time.


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Old 08-07-2016, 08:57 AM
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Ha ha Charles doing a 3 year old birthday party. He would bring a book they would have to read and then sit down with him and discuss it. Lego buildings would be discussed at length and the party would finish with everyone having a chat with the flowers


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Old 08-07-2016, 09:37 AM
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As if The Cambridges are the kind of people who would endorse one grandparent over another freezing the other out. As if the the Royal Family at all seems to wrap itself in emotional drama. The mind reels at what people get paid to write.
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Old 09-11-2016, 04:34 PM
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Carole Middleton joins Kate and Will for church service near Balmoral as George and Charlotte continue their visit to 'Gan-Gan's' Scottish estate | Daily Mail Online

Very nice that the two ladies are enjoying a drive on the estate.
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Old 09-11-2016, 05:07 PM
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No Mike? Maybe he came in a separated car.
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Old 09-11-2016, 05:10 PM
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It is possible if the cars were heading toward the lunch where the women were to meet the shooting party for lunch, Mike well could have been with the men out on the shoot. I would have imagined that if it was the church service, Mike and Carole would have been together.

Just pure speculation here folks.
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Maybe Mike's not there. It might be that he was stuck holding the fort at Party Pieces for some reason.
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Old 09-11-2016, 06:08 PM
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The story says 'Carole and husband Michael flew to Aberdeen on Thursday on a scheduled British Airways flight.'

Hopefully we'll get more pictures
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No Mike? Maybe he came in a separated car.
Maybe he was just apprehensive about riding with a 90-year-old driver?
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Maybe he was just apprehensive about riding with a 90-year-old driver?
I doubt it. I didn't see any scared faces on the other passengers
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Interesting the pics of the Queen driving both Kate and her mother on different occasions on royal private grounds, where apparently taking photographs is prohibited.

Again, apparently, that privacy clause was breeched when pictures of Prince George sitting on a motor bike with a few officers and Kate around were printed in the press. The Cambridges complained and the complaint was upheld.

Wonder will Kate put in another for this apparent breech of privacy??!
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:46 AM
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Sandringham is the Queen's estate. It would be up to her. The bar is set a lot higher for a three year old though.
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:57 AM
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Interesting the pics of the Queen driving both Kate and her mother on different occasions on royal private grounds, where apparently taking photographs is prohibited.

Again, apparently, that privacy clause was breeched when pictures of Prince George sitting on a motor bike with a few officers and Kate around were printed in the press. The Cambridges complained and the complaint was upheld.

Wonder will Kate put in another for this apparent breech of privacy??!
The Cambridges choose their cases carefully. The only one we know they took legal action on were the intrusive paris pics. They might complain to the Press Association but that is generally only when it involves the children (and also Kate before marriage when she was still a private citizen). I'm not aware of any case where they have complained about they themselves being photographed so why would they this time?
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:06 AM
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Do not all the royal estates/homes inhabited by the family belong to the Queen?!

Other than those bought privately by family members outside the royal stronghold.

I guess the point I'm making is that there is a level of cherry picking in play.

If George was seen sitting pearched in his seat in the back behind Kate/Carole for example. Would that change anything? I suspect not.

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The Cambridges choose their cases carefully. The only one we know they took legal action on were the intrusive paris pics. They might complain to the Press Association but that is generally only when it involves the children (and also Kate before marriage when she was still a private citizen). I'm not aware of any case where they have complained about they themselves being photographed so why would they this time?
I appreciate the aspect of George being in the picture, but in the same picture as the Queen driving Kate / Carole I wonder if it would go as far or anywhere at all? It's good Royals and Mids press.

For example, the photographs of Carole playing on the beach with George about a year ago ..... not aware of anything there .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-prince-george
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:16 AM
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Do not all the royal estates/homes inhabited by the family belong to the Queen?!

Other than those bought privately by family members outside the royal stronghold.

I guess the point I'm making is that there is a level of cherry picking in play.

If George was seen sitting pearched in his seat in the back behind Kate/Carole for example. Would that change anything? I suspect not.
Are there any circumstances where you think royal children shouldn't be photographed?

Harry had pictures of him and Cressida in a movie theatre removed from the Mirror website because it breached privacy.

If Harry has privacy there, George should have privacy when he's at home and unaware he's being photographed.
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