The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #261  
Old 03-22-2013, 11:14 PM
roseroyal's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Rose Bush, United States
Posts: 5,216
Quote:
Originally Posted by TLLK View Post
Wonder if Kate's "ten essentials" includes a SAR "Good for one free rescue" helicopter pass. Always a good idea to for a Scout to "Be Prepared."
I wonder...... too funny!Good one!
__________________

__________________
Best. Photo. Ever. My RH exactly as he was. Soon after we met- Exactly the same look . At Westminster Abbey on his 90th birthday meeting HM. Another day at the office.
Reply With Quote
  #262  
Old 03-23-2013, 09:16 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 3,776
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
I love that Kate is involved with the scouts - they always seem to be such fun outings, and adds a bit of variety to her activities.

The pictures are cute, but I can't shake my negative feelings about scouting (ever since a policeman friend told me that the Org. is a magnet for pedophiles).
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #263  
Old 03-23-2013, 10:48 AM
AdmirerUS's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 5,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirabel View Post
The pictures are cute, but I can't shake my negative feelings about scouting (ever since a policeman friend told me that the Org. is a magnet for pedophiles).
As are schools, athletic teams, the internet, the Dairy Queen...
Reply With Quote
  #264  
Old 03-23-2013, 10:51 AM
cepe's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 5,969
In the UK everyone, including volunteers, is vetted before they can get involved. All taxi drivers, school bus drivers, cleaners, teachers, you name it, has to go through these checks.
__________________

This precious stone set in the silver sea,......
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
Reply With Quote
  #265  
Old 03-23-2013, 10:54 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Torrance, United States
Posts: 3,305
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirabel View Post
The pictures are cute, but I can't shake my negative feelings about scouting (ever since a policeman friend told me that the Org. is a magnet for pedophiles).
During my Virtus training (Catholic Church sponsored child abuse prevention course) we learned about pedophile "grooming" techniques from the abusers themselves. Any organization that is oriented to children and relies upon volunteers is very attractive to pedophiles.
Reply With Quote
  #266  
Old 03-23-2013, 10:57 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Torrance, United States
Posts: 3,305
Quote:
Originally Posted by cepe View Post
In the UK everyone, including volunteers, is vetted before they can get involved. All taxi drivers, school bus drivers, cleaners, teachers, you name it, has to go through these checks.
It's very similar in the U.S. I've been fingerprinted and checked at least 3 times as I am a teacher and volunteer. AYSO (youth soccer), Boy/Girl Scouts and other organizations require it as well.
Reply With Quote
  #267  
Old 03-23-2013, 12:12 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: alpine village, Germany
Posts: 1,868
That is all good and well done, but it#s so easy to put anybody who likes children and wants to help them under a kind of general suspicion.
Plus the way things are seen changes all the time - while we accept young girls dressed in very short skirts we cannot watch the once cult movie "Bilitis" without feeling that it caters to pedophilia.

There are many, many people in the Catholic scout movement and in the RC church who would never ever do something to hurt children. But there are those in every aspect of live who enjoy powergames and those using children are the easiest to come by - much satisfaction from not yet sophisticated or even suspecting children.

So what my friends, relatives and of course my family did was to take our children serious from a very early age and to tell them what to look out for, which situations to avoid (grown-ups eg normally don't ask children which way to drive but would do so in case of a planned abduction, so we advised them never to react and not to approach a car to answer questions). We told them that it is alright and necessary to say "no" to a situation they don't feel comfortable in. A cousin even explained what SSC means - not in a sexual way but you can judge any situation and your plan to become active in it considering the questions: Is it Safe? Is it Sane? And is it Consensual? Last point is important: never accept things you don't want to do (okay, you have to do your homework, be home on time and help with the household...!), have the courage to say NO! and try to omit all situations which you can't control (they are not safe) and don't do things that might turn out nasty (that would be not sane..)

Because IMHO the only way to really protect children from pedophiles and other ill-meaning folk is to make them into strong personalities who know they have a choice. Our children were raised not to be victims.
Reply With Quote
  #268  
Old 03-23-2013, 02:14 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: n/a, United States
Posts: 691
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmirerUS View Post
As are schools, athletic teams, the internet, the Dairy Queen...
Indeed. It is the presence of children that attracts the pedophiles, and does not make such organizations, etc., inherently bad.

(Kataryn, I think you make some good points. I was taught from a young age to recognize inappropriate behavior/situations, and to tell my mother in particular if someone did do anything unusual. When I was a kid I thought she was just being annoying about such instructions, but once I was an adult, I realized how much it had helped, especially as I later found out that I had been quite close to some people who had been doing some horrible things).
Reply With Quote
  #269  
Old 03-23-2013, 02:43 PM
Ish's Avatar
Ish Ish is offline
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 3,349
I've worked with a few organizations that deal with kids and they actually go to lengths to try to prevent adults from preying on the kids. Typically there are criminal record checks carried out to ensure that people with any kind of undesirable record aren't working with the kids (I once knew a parent in his 40s who was told he couldn't be a Scout leader because he had a DUI when he was 19 on his record). A lot of organizations also training sessions on what is and is not appropriate behaviour when working with kids, and importantly how to spot signs of someone else acting inappropriately - and how to report it if you suspect it's happening.

The whole idea that Scouts, or the Catholic church, or other organizations that work with kids are associated with pedophilia in general is because when pedophilia is discovered it's reported. When it doesn't exist it's not reported. You don't pick up the paper and see the title "Scout Leader Not Molesting Children." The many people who work with kids who don't have any harmful intentions don't get recognized as such, but because the people who do have harmful intentions do get recognized and reported the general public ends up with a misconception of the relationships there. Most people who work with kids, regardless of the organization, aren't pedophiles at all.
Reply With Quote
  #270  
Old 03-23-2013, 02:57 PM
Frelinghighness's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: New England, United States
Posts: 4,467
Kataryn, I like your SCC formula. This is good for people of all ages, not just minors.
Reply With Quote
  #271  
Old 03-23-2013, 04:18 PM
MarNoe's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Utah, United States
Posts: 739
Teaching children how to be safe is by far the best. Of course it can backfire! I remember once when I was about 7 or 8 my father was supposed to pick me up from church. Well, he had too good a poker hand to leave so he handed his car keys to a friend and told him to pick me up. Boy was he mad when I refused to get in our (very distinctive) car with someone I didn't know! My mother had quite a job calming him down saying I did only what he told me to do.
Reply With Quote
  #272  
Old 03-23-2013, 09:51 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: indianapolis, United States
Posts: 219
keep in mind to, don't make the kids kiss grandma or an aunt and uncle if they don't want to. they need to be able to say no to anyone and everyone when they feel the need to.
Reply With Quote
  #273  
Old 03-23-2013, 09:54 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Green Bay, United States
Posts: 575
When children are on group activities, there should always be 2 different adults.
Reply With Quote
  #274  
Old 03-24-2013, 01:31 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Torrance, United States
Posts: 3,305
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frelinghighness View Post
Kataryn, I like your SCC formula. This is good for people of all ages, not just minors.
Excellent advice Kataryn.
Reply With Quote
  #275  
Old 03-24-2013, 02:30 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: alpine village, Germany
Posts: 1,868
Thank you for the appreciation.

I just told my husband and he laughed and then asked me to convey a warning for those who do not know: before you talk about SSC (idea of checking things if they are Safe, Sane and Consensual) - it's a term from the BDSM-movement originally, so maybe, if you want to talk about it, you should word it a bit differently...

(Sorry, I wasn't aware where that came from, just found the term easy to remember and good advice - which it is!)
Reply With Quote
  #276  
Old 03-24-2013, 09:48 AM
Baroness of Books's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bookstacks, United States
Posts: 5,808
ROFL, a "50 Shades of Gray" safety tip?
__________________
A book should be either a bandit or a rebel or a man in the crowd..... D.H. Lawrence
Reply With Quote
  #277  
Old 03-24-2013, 10:19 AM
Nice Nofret's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 531
SSC - how funny, thanks for sharing , but very sound advice nonetheless.
Reply With Quote
  #278  
Old 03-24-2013, 01:40 PM
SLV's Avatar
SLV SLV is offline
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Posts: 1,023
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kataryn View Post
Thank you for the appreciation.

I just told my husband and he laughed and then asked me to convey a warning for those who do not know: before you talk about SSC (idea of checking things if they are Safe, Sane and Consensual) - it's a term from the BDSM-movement originally, so maybe, if you want to talk about it, you should word it a bit differently...

(Sorry, I wasn't aware where that came from, just found the term easy to remember and good advice - which it is!)
What is BDSM?
Reply With Quote
  #279  
Old 03-24-2013, 01:49 PM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 18,405
Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV View Post

What is BDSM?
Bondage, Discipline, Sadomasochism or sadism and masochism
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #280  
Old 03-24-2013, 01:49 PM
Nice Nofret's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 531
google is your friend

Bondage, SadoMasochism
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Popular Tags
art best outfit birthday carl gustaf chris o'neill crown princess mary crown princess victoria current events denmark fashion poll general news hereditary grand duchess stéphanie hereditary grand duke guillaume infanta cristina infanta leonor infanta sofia irene urdangarín ińaki urdangarín king felipe king felipe vi king philippe king willem-alexander letizia liechtenstein meme monarchy news nobel november 2016 october 2016 october november 2016 picture of the week picture of the week november 2016 prince alexander prince carl philip prince daniel prince felix prince gabriel prince nicholas prince oscar princess claire of luxembourg princess estelle princess leonore princess madeleine princess mary fashion princess of asturias princess sofia princess victoria queen elizabeth ii queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen mathilde queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania queen silvia rohans state visit state visit to spain stephanie sweden swedish royal family uae wildlife victoria



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:26 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017
Jelsoft Enterprises