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Old 08-05-2013, 06:50 PM
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If they do have a second I would hope no one (media mostly) call the child the spare. That is just sounds so mean when they (media and people in here) call Harry the spare. I highly doubt that Charles or Diana ever thought oh wait we should have a spare child just in case......
Of course it's mean to call that in front of a person's face, but technically the second child of a Monarch/future Monarch is a spare (when the primogeniture law applies).
I know it's mean, but it's actually the truth

I'm sure Charles and Diana didn't think that way, but many require that a Monarch or Heir needs to have a second child just in case something happens to the eldest.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:24 PM
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All the talk of a need for a spare confuses me. There is a very long line of succession so there will always be someone to succeed.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:33 PM
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T Why is it that the British would rather tear down and make fun of than build a person? !
Ah but the tadpoles on this side of the pond do it too. At the moment, I would note the press coverage or Twitter and Facebook comments on the Kardashians, Tony Weiner (AKA Anthony Weiner, candidate for NY mayor - and I just like how Tony Weiner sounds), Lindsey Lohan, President Obama, Congress in general, etc, etc, etc.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:34 PM
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I agree, CSW. To me, talking about "spares" is callous. Every single person who is in the top part of that line of succession knows they could be called upon to serve as regent under really tragic and/or bizarre circumstances.

I do suppose that being one more step away from the succession is quite a relief to many, but not all, of them.

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...I know it's mean, but it's actually the truth.
It's not "the truth." There were extra people before the birth and extra people after the birth of a second child.

If William and Kate have but one child, Harry is still "the spare" I suppose - but it strikes me as goofy to keep using the terms that way. If William and Kate have 10 children, to say they have "9 spares" is equally silly.

And somewhat rude. I think it's said to draw attention to the "lackland" aspect of the younger heirs, but in this modern era, it's very likely that the younger siblings of a King do feel a bit "off to the side." To emphasize it constantly in a public place is not the height of sensitivity.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:41 PM
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I think those in the line of succession after George are thankful they don't have to put up with all the hassle and can get on with their lives. I really dont think that Harry feels he is
less of a person because of George. I think his sigh of relief would have been huge.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:43 PM
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They might not be planning baby #2 but I do imagine they're ticking off the days until the next 4 weeks pass as I believe that doctors advise a woman to take 6 weeks after delivering to recover. On top of that, breast feeding is also its own form of birth control.
LOL, I bet they are counting the days. I know I would've be doing it.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:12 PM
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This , tiny adorable baby will be.... we do not know. He will be a king or..... I think his parents are just happy to have this lovely person in their lives. Good luck to them all.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:43 PM
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I think right now everyone in the family is focused on enjoying the baby as they should be.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:05 PM
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Cute little baby.
Cut the other nonsense.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:24 PM
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I think we're digressing into other inanities because of the lack of news and photos of the baby. Until we see them heading to Balmoral or see pictures of the christening to coo over, we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel for some tidbits.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:54 PM
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I hate the British media using the term spare, I think it's disgusting and an insult, it's one of the problems with having children be defined from birth. For generations the first child has been the good one, Elizabeth Charles William and the second the bad one Margaret Andrew Harry. Why not define them on their personalities and accomplishments, not birth order. You'd think England especially would recognize that second borne can be just as important than first borns taking into account the recent succession history.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:06 PM
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You'd think England especially would recognize that second borne can be just as important than first borns taking into account the recent succession history.
But that is the whole point of being the spare, you get to step in should the need arise.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:17 PM
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The heir and the spare is not the way the whole "good one and bad one" started up. In fact, if anything the "good one and bad one" is in fact based on personalities. Harry is not "the bad one" because he is the second child, he's "the bad one" because he does things like dressing up in a Nazi uniform, playing strip whatever in Vegas, and so on. He has a more rambunctious personality than his brother, who tends to play things a bit safer, and that's why he's gathered the reputation that he has, while William has his own reputation.

Similar can be said of Charles and Andrew (and even Edward), although being the spare never pushed Anne into being the bad one even though she was second to her elder brother for the first 10 years of her life.

Being the spare also didn't make George VI the bad one, his brother - the heir - filled that role. George V was also a spare and filled the good role - his elder brother was and remains rather notorious. Edward VII was also a problem prince, despite being an heir.

It could be argued that the heirs receive different treatment within the family and a part of the reason why the "good ones" are increasingly the heir is because they're put under pressure to be so by their family, while the younger children aren't and have more opportunity to rebel, as seen in Harry, Andrew, and Margaret. But a good amount of it is also to do with their personality.

Also, for the record, it is inaccurate to refer to the UK (as a whole) as England. It is much bigger than that.
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:14 AM
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Well I for one would like to continue the discussion of that sweet little Prince who this thread is about and not about what someone said that someone else was offended by. And I for one find it quite stimulating reading what all of my fellow forum members have to say whether in jest or not. That is what makes these forums so bloody interesting. What a dull world it would be with nothing but seriousness and boredom. I applaud all of you who make these forums lively and worth being a part of. Princess, you do have the option to ignore us all but, oh what wonderful conversation you would be missing out on. Thats all, moving on. :)
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:08 AM
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:28 AM
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Amazing. I cant even turn out a bucket of sand in one piece!
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:03 AM
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:32 AM
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"Proud parents immortalised in sand with little Prince," that is until it rains and washes the sand away.
Can you imagine William and Kate making a baby book of all of the wonderful ways little Georgie's birth has been celebrated? By the time the wee one is a year old, the scrapbook would be ginormous!
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:52 AM
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The likeness is just compelling......
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To Ish: I stated plainly that the English media should cease disregarding the second born as less important because of the recent history o succession issues. That history includes George VI and His brother; no need to point out what I already know about discrepancies in the heir/spare debacle and the good brother vs bad brother stereotypes.
The idea that for the entire life of a person you would label them a spare in essence making it obvious you aren't as important as your older sibling is cruel and insulting. It's not funny in the least IMO and shows disrespect for the second born, especially for Harry who I believe was referred to this from a very young age.
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