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Old 07-23-2013, 07:23 PM
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I assume a person in the royal family could adopt a child, but I don't think the adopted child would be able to inherit a royal title.
I'm not entirely sure if an adopted child can (or cannot) use courtesy titles in the British system. My understanding is that on the continent - in at least some houses - they can. I do believe that British children born out of wedlock but retroactively legitimized can use courtesy titles, but they are not eligible to inherit.

I suspect adoption would be the same. If William and Catherine had adopted a child then he/she would likely be styled as a prince(ss), but he/she wouldn't be in the line of succession to the throne or eligible to inherit William's dukedom. If the adopted child isn't actually allowed to be styled as a prince(ss) under the 1917 LPs, I wouldn't be surprised if HM (or Charles at a later point) issued LPs to grant the child the HRH.

There is also the possibility that an adopted child, on his or her marriage, may be given a dukedom or an earldom. It was once fairly common for the recognized illegitimate sons of kings to be given titles. William IV (who I believe was the last monarch to recognize illegitimate children) have his eldest son an Earldom and allowed his other children to be styled as the children of a Duke (which he was when they were born).
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:25 PM
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Had the dress been green with a big White bow and full on 1980's maternity style, I might have fleetingly wondered if Catherine were copying Diana. But the dress was blue, short, modern and wearable after pregnancy, so I cannot begin to imagine how a comparison can be made. Polka dots? A rather popular design available anywhere any time.
Do we honestly think for one moment that Catherine pours over old photos of her husband's mother in order to emulate her? Give the woman credit!
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:28 PM
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Look at the articles since the wedding, about how she has copied Diana. And go on other forums, like royaldish, and you will find I am sure people who say she is trying to be Diana 2.0

She could have chosen something other then polk-a-dots, considering the backlash she has got in some media, for copying Diana.
People saying she's copying Diana is not the same as her copying Diana.

Personally I don't think she's trying to copy Diana at all. She likes polka dots. We already knew this - she's worn polka dots before, even during her pregnancy. I doubt at this point she really cares about the many comparisons she gets to Diana or the accusations that she's copying Diana. She's been getting it for long enough at this point, and likely she will always get such a comparison. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future people critique her behaviour as Queen consort by saying "Diana wouldn't have done that."

Catherine is her own woman. The comparison to Diana is one that people are making not because of Catherine herself but because the public (as a whole) is obsessed with making comparisons between Diana and her sons/daughter-in-law.
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:32 PM
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I really saw how overjoyed they were. It was so sweet, I even teared up a little

I don't see any big similarities between both dresses. Maybe she did pick up 2 or 3 outfits but in the end this one was the most appropriate and comfortable?

Don't get me wrong, but I was suprised how big belly she has. I mean through her pregnancy her belly was rather small and we (well, I) haven't seen any new pics of Kate since June (the last official engagement). Her bellly really got bigger these last weeks. What is funny I thought her face is less rounded than it was during her pregnancy . I'd love to see some picture of Kate at the end of her pregnancy, with cute big bump.

She always looks good, even a day after giving birth. Good for her!

Btw, this whole royal baby thing got me thinking about getting pregnant myself... Well, I have names already picked up...
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:37 PM
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People saying she's copying Diana is not the same as her copying Diana.

Personally I don't think she's trying to copy Diana at all. She likes polka dots. We already knew this - she's worn polka dots before, even during her pregnancy. I doubt at this point she really cares about the many comparisons she gets to Diana or the accusations that she's copying Diana. She's been getting it for long enough at this point, and likely she will always get such a comparison. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future people critique her behaviour as Queen consort by saying "Diana wouldn't have done that."

Catherine is her own woman. The comparison to Diana is one that people are making not because of Catherine herself but because the public (as a whole) is obsessed with making comparisons between Diana and her sons/daughter-in-law.
A very good point!

I have no idea if the polka-dots were a nod to Diana's dress or not - it really doesn't matter. On such an occasion, a nod to some family history would be sweet. I think Kate is quite clearly her own woman. I don't see the occasional comparison between Diana and Kate as being a terribly negative thing (comparisons between generations are bound to happen anyway - I know I've seen plenty of Charles vs. William comparisons today!), though I know some have an unfortunate obsession with it.
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I hope she puts off a nanny for a good long time, although I suspect she will have to have one.


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I think the polka dots thing is reaching, but it sure looks like the blanket they're holding the new baby in is pretty much identical to the blanket that baby William was wrapped in when he left the hospital. Does St. Mary's provide identical blankets for newborns, or did they use William's baby blanket/one just like it on purpose?
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:39 PM
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Had the dress been green with a big White bow and full on 1980's maternity style, I might have fleetingly wondered if Catherine were copying Diana. But the dress was blue, short, modern and wearable after pregnancy, so I cannot begin to imagine how a comparison can be made. Polka dots? A rather popular design available anywhere any time.
Do we honestly think for one moment that Catherine pours over old photos of her husband's mother in order to emulate her? Give the woman credit!
Already started. And look at comparisons before, Kate wore a brown coat so did Diana, Kate wore a red coat so did Diana.......

No I don't, but there are many people who call her Diana 2.0 or a wannabe, IAMDiana, and so on.

Kate takes style inspiration from Diana - Independent.ie

Kate 'copies Diana' in spotty dress

pre-baby:

Princess Diana and Kate Middleton’s similar styles - MSN Living

Kate Middleton vs Princess Diana: Who is more stylish? - MyDaily UK
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I don't see any big similarities between both dresses. Maybe she did pick up 2 or 3 outfits but in the end this one was the most appropriate and comfortable?
Indeed, she likely had a few options - depending on what would fit, what the weather might be, what the baby's gender would be, etc.
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It would be neat if it was the same blanket used for William...kinda like using the same baptismal gowns etc.

I don't know why people care if she wears polka dots as some sort of nod to Diana...she's wearing her ring at the request of husband. Can't imagine he'd have a problem with anything she does as a tribute to his mother who cannot be there.


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Do we know if the Queen plans to visit her great grandson?
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Do we know if the Queen plans to visit her great grandson?
I'm sure she'll see him before she leaves for Balmoral. Now that William and Catherine are back at KP, it should be easy for the Queen to see him privately.
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Do we know if the Queen plans to visit her great grandson?
How about the DoE for that matter?
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Such a sweet little face! And I'm convinced Catherine is super-human or something to look that good 24 hours after pushing out an 8 pound baby.

The expressions on her and William's faces made me emotional! So much joy from a tiny little person! I wish them all so much happiness!

I've seen congratulatory messages from the heads of Canada, Australia, N. Ireland, and the USA. Has anyone else said anything?
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How about the DoE for that matter?
I wonder about Prince Philip also. I have asked that question a few tines but no one seem to have an answer.

I asked a prominent reporter on Twitter when The Queen would meet her Great Grandson and they replied that no one knows when she will.
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Such a sweet little face! And I'm convinced Catherine is super-human or something to look that good 24 hours after pushing out an 8 pound baby.

The expressions on her and William's faces made me emotional! So much joy from a tiny little person! I wish them all so much happiness!

I've seen congratulatory messages from the heads of Canada, Australia, N. Ireland, and the USA. Has anyone else said anything?
I saw one from Russia
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I'm not entirely sure if an adopted child can (or cannot) use courtesy titles in the British system. My understanding is that on the continent - in at least some houses - they can. I do believe that British children born out of wedlock but retroactively legitimized can use courtesy titles, but they are not eligible to inherit.

I suspect adoption would be the same. If William and Catherine had adopted a child then he/she would likely be styled as a prince(ss), but he/she wouldn't be in the line of succession to the throne or eligible to inherit William's dukedom. If the adopted child isn't actually allowed to be styled as a prince(ss) under the 1917 LPs, I wouldn't be surprised if HM (or Charles at a later point) issued LPs to grant the child the HRH.

There is also the possibility that an adopted child, on his or her marriage, may be given a dukedom or an earldom. It was once fairly common for the recognized illegitimate sons of kings to be given titles. William IV (who I believe was the last monarch to recognize illegitimate children) have his eldest son an Earldom and allowed his other children to be styled as the children of a Duke (which he was when they were born).
Interesting as always, Ish. I used the word "inherit" because I think that is the major distinction.
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:52 PM
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Such a sweet little face! And I'm convinced Catherine is super-human or something to look that good 24 hours after pushing out an 8 pound baby.

The expressions on her and William's faces made me emotional! So much joy from a tiny little person! I wish them all so much happiness!

I've seen congratulatory messages from the heads of Canada, Australia, N. Ireland, and the USA. Has anyone else said anything?

I hear that...I have a picture of me the day after (24 years ago today as a matter of fact) I had a 8 + lb baby and it's not anything like Kate's! It was all I could do to get dressed and go home and I wasn't wearing heels and makeup!



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I wonder about Prince Philip also. I have asked that question a few tines but no one seem to have an answer.

I asked a prominent reporter on Twitter when The Queen would meet her Great Grandson and they replied that no one knows when she will.
A "royal analyst" on CNN said that William and Catherine will probably take the baby to the Queen (and Prince Philip), rather than the Queen going to them. That makes sense to me, but it could be that both will make the trip to Kensington Palace. I don't know exactly how far it is from Buckingham Palace, but I think it was only a half an hour walk so it can't be much more than a mile.
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We have had the same blanket to wrap our babies in for 4 generations now. Its lace is handmade and the cotton weave is no longer made. It's a family heirloom, really, and I hope to pass it on to my grandchildren one day. I think that's a very nice thing to do for a royal, as well as a commoner.

I believe the royal couple handled their first appearance together with the future king very well: simple, down-to-earth and sincere. I don't understand how Catherine's choice of dress can be criticized, please, it was appropriate and cute. The big surprise came - for me - from William, who seemed warm, but confident in handling his newly found fatherhood, the media craziness and his newborn. More and more, he has a very reassuring presence: no matter the circumstances he is always up to par. I wish Catherine would show off a bit more personality, she sometimes comes across as a pretty doll in a shop window, completely void of oomph.
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