KittyAtlanta
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Is William made of the stuff of kings? Only time will tell.
Let's not kid ourselves that he is living like a normal person. Having the city apartment at Kensington Palace says a lot about his normal life.
Of course, he'll always be surrounded by luxury. It's a part of his heritage; what's the big deal that he also has a home in Kensington? I don't think he should have to feel guilty about that. Nor do I feel negatively towards him that he lives in opulence while in London. The point of my post was is that he has chosen voluntary to experience what people live like outside his aristocratic circle, which is something he didn't have to do. And which is something I doubt most of his peers or even his family have done or experienced. He's bound to have a lot more empathy for the common folk than most people in his family due to the fact that he is living a servantless life when Angelsey. That he does his own grocery shopping. That he does his own laundry. It wasn't but 2 generations ago that the monarchy had a hand-off approach. But he is challenging that. He's like Diana--getting out there and interacting with the normal, non-aristocratic people, getting his hands dirty. That's going help him be more suitable than just being a figurehead for a charity like a typical royal (from any country) is.
when I feel like they (PW, Kate, "palace sources") try to tell me he is just like any other bloke.
I do think he is "forced" to prove that he works hard and is worthy of continuing the monarchy and being king someday. Does that make any sense?
but in some sense if you are meant to represent all the people in your country, shouldn't your social circle be a little more diverse (racially, socio-economically)?
Feminists and Civil Rights groups (at least the ones here in the states) have been trying to answer that question for over a 100 years. The conclusion always is: it's hard to break people out of their comfort zone. Yes, theoretically, we all strive to be all-inclusive, but it's much more difficult to achieve it in reality. So I can't begrudge William for not having friends from all economic, racial and cultural classes. I certainly don't. For example, I care about civil rights, gay rights, and women's rights, but 99% of my friends are white women, and goodness knows I'm not line to rule a throne. So I'm not going to begrudge William for not having any homeless friends that I know of even though poverty is an issue he clearly seems to care about.
And you base this impression on what? Your infinitely superior understanding?MERELY A SYMPTOM
This is a good point. I do think that William is genuinely compassionate and wants to help people. I also think that he has been trained to perceive his posture in relation to other races as an act of charity, rather than addressing a social equal.
As a dyed-in-the wool republican you honour and esteem your illustrious ancestors who, history shows, made friends and equals of all the Native peoples of the Continental US who were never deprived of their homes and herded onto unfertile Reservations to starve whilst the settlers raped their land. Your history also shows a remarkably progressive move to enfranchise all native peoples and those of colour imported into your country as cargo!One would think that after plundering so many continents and then wrapping themselves in the jewels ripped out of the earth in foreign lands, the royals would have made a friend or two of another race, or bothered to cultivate a more privileged class among people so ruthlessly exploited?
Why am I not surprised!SINS OF THE FATHER
His father, Prince Charles has such deeply ingrained prejudices, that one can only hope William transcends such low level thinking:
Prince Charles: People Should Know Their Station in Life
Day, who worked as his personal assistant for five years, had suggested that assistants with university degrees should have the opportunity to train as private secretaries.
Prince Charles, in memos he wrote said the following:
"What is wrong with people nowadays? Why do they all seem to think they are qualified to do things far above their capabilities?" ...
"This is all to do with the learning culture in schools. It is a consequence of a child-centered education system which tells people they can become pop stars, high court judges or brilliant TV presenters or infinitely more competent heads of state without ever putting the necessary work or having the natural ability. It is a result of social utopianism which believes humanity can be genetically engineered to contradict the lessons of history.
Although the memo (written in 2003) was read out at the hearing, lawyers refused to show it to the media. Therefore, the context and veracity of the prince's statements could not be independently verified.
To which the Education Secretary, a strong supporter of the above mentioned regime, has responded in the obligatory knee-jerk "shoot the messenger" language of said social engineers!Education Secretary Charles Clarke told the BBC. "The key point which I think is so, so damaging is when whole groups of people are dismissed as having no possibility, no ambitions, nothing can be done with them. I think that is really damaging,"
And you base this impression on what? Your infinitely superior understanding?
As a dyed-in-the wool republican you honour and esteem your illustrious ancestors who, history shows, made friends and equals of all the Native peoples of the Continental US who were never deprived of their homes and herded onto unfertile Reservations to starve whilst the settlers raped their land. Your history also shows a remarkably progressive move to enfranchise all native peoples and those of colour imported into your country as cargo!
Let's be honest here. There is not one country in the world that can look back at their history from the safety third millennium and say they did no wrong. History tells us different!
Why am I not surprised!
Having been on the receiving end of Job Applications written in text and monosyllabic answers provided in interviews I can only say that unfortunately Prince Charles has not flinched in hitting the nail squarely on the head.
To which the Education Secretary, a strong supporter of the above mentioned regime, has responded in the obligatory knee-jerk "shoot the messenger" language of said social engineers!
All the above notwithstanding, Prince William has earned his degree at University and earned his place in the RAF as a Pilot. An accident of birth did not sit his exams for him. He did. And you had better believe he saw his fellow students at University, Sandhurst and RAF Flying Training as not only equals but competitors!
Well he certainly brushed up on his French for his Canadian trip!
I would actually prefer a future monarch didn't try too hard to be one of the people. I think it's great that William has had experiences in his life where he's been pitted against his peers as just another person. He knows that he earned his university degree and most especially his job as a search and rescue pilot on his own merits, ( he could be the second coming of Christ and the military powers that be still wouldn't let him pilot a multi million dollar piece of equipment around rural Wales if he wasn't good). IMO earning something because of talent instead of being given something by luck builds a strong character, which in turn makes a strong king.
But William is NOT just one of the guys. By accident of birth he has a life full of unique privileges and unique limitations. The royal family is well situated to act in ways that benefit the British people because of, not in spite of, this degree of separation. Take away the degree of separation, the sense of history and tradition, the privileges and the limitations and yes, you'll have a normal, one of the guys King. Lots of places have those - we call them politicians!
Cordelia, I have to agree with you on this one. A story that immediately comes to mind is that of "The Prince and the Pauper" and how by switching roles, the real Prince came to see a lot more hardship than he otherwise would have seen. Diana made a statement by getting out into the public and being a people's Princess. I think that William, despite of his privileges, has realised that this type of exposure is very necessary which, long term, will also make him a wise and popular King. As I always say, to be a successful monarch is NOT just about wearing flashy jewels and tiaras at State functions. Rather get to the grass roots level. King Harald and Queen Sonja's reaction to the Oslo crisis is a good example of how true royalty should behave.
Since your article about Prince William's Suitability to be King included defamatory and unsubstantiated accusations against his father, and his adverse affect on his son, I felt compelled to point out that, in my experience, he was not entirely wrong in the instance you quoted.To take what I said as a statement about the moral superiority of the US vs the UK is to miss the point entirely. I certainly did not mean it that way and I understand that would be incorrect, but the relative status of people of color in the two countries IS remarkably different.
As for monosyllabic answers and such, the woman discussed in the article was entirely qualified for her job and had more than sufficient credentials for the position to which she wished to be promoted. It is unfair to dismiss all members of a class or a race as simply unqualified without taking a moment's pause, and that is what the education secretary was addressing. I have interviewed people of all races and many of them have been kind enough to prove unworthy whether regardless of their race
Finally, it would be better not to make assumptions about who my "illustrious ancestors". If you had any idea, you would probably assume I could manage to do no more than grunt in monosyllables and bang on a keyboard.
Sincerely,
Cargo
Since your article about Prince William's Suitability to be King included defamatory and unsubstantiated accusations against his father, and his adverse affect on his son, I felt compelled to point out that, in my experience, he was not entirely wrong in the instance you quoted.
That you saw fit to use this thread to editorialise and imply that I am a racist colonial I find that there is really little that can be either constructively or sensibly added to the subject covered by this thread, or any other with you without inciting another totally off topic rant.
However, what is important, I believe, is whether William has taken the appropriate steps to familiarize himself with people of different backgrounds so that it makes sense for his expenses to be paid by a diverse public. If British taxpayer dollars will, in the future, fund his upkeep and travels, his PUBLIC events and activities should reflect the modern diversity of the British people. If their are social and cultural impediments to him doing so, he will have to work to overcome them.
And, did he in your opinion?
Well, with William's wealth, privilege and background, he'll never be one of the guys. I actually find comments like these to rather demeaning. Maybe it's because I'm an American, but your comment seems to imply that those who come from humble, working class backgrounds are ignorant and unfit to run a country. A claim I find baseless and insulting. William will never experience poverty. He won't know what it's like to struggle to pay bills or live from paycheck to paycheck. He lives in a bubble. Yes, that bubble is filled with tradition and history, but look how often it has backfired against TRF. Diana's legacy might be controversial, but she did something important: she forced TRF to step outside their bubble and experience the real world.
What I like about William is that he has tried to continue Diana's legacy by stepping outside that bubble. By admitting that he lives in one, that's he's privileged in ways many of his subjects will never be. That wisdom and knowledge is what will make him suitable to be king. It's sort of like how TRF was forced to leave the bubble during WW 2.
Also, I think Elizabeth is such a good monarch partly because of World War 2. Whatever the differences between the classes, WW 2 served as a leveler in many ways (death, poverty, etc).
Conjuring a personal squabble when one is unable or unwilling to rationally discuss substantive points is one approach, yes.
However, what is important, I believe, is whether William has taken the appropriate steps to familiarize himself with people of different backgrounds so that it makes sense for his expenses to be paid by a diverse public. If British taxpayer dollars will, in the future, fund his upkeep and travels, his PUBLIC events and activities should reflect the modern diversity of the British people. If their are social and cultural impediments to him doing so, he will have to work to overcome them.