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Old 01-29-2011, 11:28 PM
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In what ways would you like to see the monarchy change?

Of course the monarchy today is a very different beast to what it was when the Queen acceded to the throne and she has kept up to date in many ways but what would you like to see William do differently when he becomes King, in hopefully 30+ years time.
Hmmmm. So much of what I would like to see will probably be done during Charles' reign. Certainly the family could stand to be smaller. Though I suspect most of the junior members will leave through "natural selection." I would also hope that there is going to be more information about the financial situation for the royals. There are aspects of the new monetary agreement set to be handed down in a few years that is questionable. Is a billionaire King really necessary?

Then again what can he change? He is a figure-head. For example: Inheritance rights and even his religious beliefs were decided for him at birth by the elected government and the monarchies role as defender of the faith. I would say they could be more accepting of Catholics (or any other religion) but is he responsible for that? I don't believe he is. He could go on the record about it but he doesn't seem the type.

I think the biggest problem for the royals is relevance. I don't think that is something that is easy to change. Certainly one person is not going to change how people feel about the concept of a monarchy. How could the royals make themselves relevant if you could get over the issue of birth-right? They already do charity work but anyone could do that.

I wish I could answer you question more specifically but I am not a monarchist. I comment on this forum because I like studying governments and I am familiar with the royals through that and entertainment magazines. So it is hard for me to imagine how the royals could change in ways that would make me say I believe in a royal family as my head of government.
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:23 AM
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Hmmmm. So much of what I would like to see will probably be done during Charles' reign. Certainly the family could stand to be smaller. Though I suspect most of the junior members will leave through "natural selection."
The question could be asked who is actually a member of the family? Is it only those with HRH or is it the relationship to the monarch and then how far do you take that relationship.

If only HRH - then currently there are 12 plus spouses and Philip. Of those 12 only three who can give the HRH to their spouses aren't married and one is engaged. I don't count Louise and James as to me the Queen's consent and the parents' desire not to have them have HRH says that they won't be taking on that designation or any royal duties.

The next question is why should it be smaller? How do you tell someone that they can't have children e.g. do we say that the monarch can only have two children who are royal - so what happens if William and Kate decide on a large family and have 8 kids - are they not going to be royal?
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:46 AM
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I had a hard time imagining William in the role of King until recently. But he's matured a lot in the past year or so and has become quite impressive. I think with his marriage and a lot of happiness in his personal life, he is more content with the future and what it inevitably holds.

He's personable, well-spoken, intelligent, caring, thoughtful and has a good head on his shoulders. Even, as bizarre as it sounds, the balding has helped him a bit. It gives him a bit more gravity, and less the image of a playboy. IMO, he represents the UK well and is a great public face.

I was reading back through articles I missed recently and came across this (fairly amusing) account of the day of the engagement. This reporter seems to feel somewhat similar to me:
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | Express Yourself :: Royal wedding: Caught in the whirlwind of an historic day
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:26 PM
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I would imagine that the people that have found out that it was William that flew the helicopter when they needed emergency medical assistance would strongly disagree with you. Right now William's first and foremost responsibility is to his SAR duties and knowing how the rules work here for being "on duty", it would really put a severe limitation on Will's wild and crazy partying. (Here in WV the rule is no alcohol 12 hours before either a volunteer or professional run).
How come we never hear about Will's alleged work, but always about his and Kate's many vacations? How many service people can take several vacations a year?
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:44 PM
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How come we never hear about Will's alleged work, but always about his and Kate's many vacations? How many service people can take several vacations a year?
I would imagine that William would rather be "one of the crew" and not have attention drawn to what he and many others in SAR do in the line of duty. I think if you do check through these forums here for William, there are stories and links to reported stories that have come out about Will's rescues. With following these threads here for over 2 years now, I really don't see all that much about vacations. We all know Kate and William went to Kenya in October as that's when they got engaged and other than that, the only other vacation I really remember from 2010 is they did go skiing in the spring I think. Did you read too where William spent Christmas Day on duty? Its kind of a traditional thing to do so that married crew members could spend the day with their families.

One thing I'd almost bet my life on is that as far as time on duty, William works as many hours as any other SAR crew member.

You can read discussions about his work in SAR here: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...e-18482-8.html
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Maybe they could do something like the Dutch royals do where there is a royal family and then a royal house. Those in the royal house have titles but no real roles in terms of the monarchy.

I suspect that maybe Beatrice and Eugenie might go out and get "normal" jobs while still doing charity work. As you pointed out Edward's children are kind-of out of it and Anne's children are as well. The Queen's children, on the other hand, will still have roles in the family probably until they pass on. Same for the Dukes/Duchess of Kent and Gloucester. As for the Dukes/Duchess' children I don't believe that they have given any indication of carrying on their parents role. I could be wrong though.

This could leave William and Harry their spouses and maybe 8 children. How do you slim it down from there? I don't know. You would still need a "heir" and a "spare" and their children would not be old enough to fulfill that role for a while. So thats where Beatrice and Eugenie would come in. They could have normal jobs unless the "top job" called.
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How come we never hear about Will's alleged work, but always about his and Kate's many vacations? How many service people can take several vacations a year?
When was the last time we heard about his vacation?
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:44 AM
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He must be in Kenia last Oct-Nov. with Kate and friends. Was that not a vacation?
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:52 AM
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I was reading back through articles I missed recently and came across this (fairly amusing) account of the day of the engagement. This reporter seems to feel somewhat similar to me:
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | Express Yourself :: Royal wedding: Caught in the whirlwind of an historic day
Lovely article.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:59 AM
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I'm sorry but EVERYONE is entitled to vacation time each year, regardless of whether you are royalty or not. I've no idea what the terms are for an RAF SAR pilot's holiday time but most jobs in UK have 4-5 weeks available as holiday that can be booked & taken anytime in the year, some jobs may have more holiday time, some may be more stringent on when exactly holiday can & cannot be taken & the max number of consecutive weeks that can be taken off at any one time, but everyone gets holiday time. I've always suspected - note this is pure speculation on my part, nothing to back me up - that William is allowed a little more leeway than other RAF pilots, simply coz of who he is & the events he has to carry out whilst also doing his RAF duties, I'm sure he is given extra days off here & there to attend charity events etc , trooping of the colour etc. At the same time I think that's sensible, he'll never be "normal" but they seem to be doing as best they can to make his time with the RAF as normal as possible while also obviously allowing him time to do his other duties with his family.

I've never really seen why people get so up in arms about supposedly being on holiday all the time, I think in the last few year they merely have the normal amount of holiday as most other people in the UK but luckily for them have the luxury to be able to afford going to more exotic or far flung locations. From the holidays we know about - of course they could take many more holidays we've never been aware of - I would say I've had a similar amount of holiday time over the years, the difference with me is that I can't always afford to go somewhere skiing or an island somewhere & instead opt to stay at home for a few weeks off. I think the fretting over the number of holidays is just people looking for anything to attack them/him/her with.
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:39 PM
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He must be in Kenia last Oct-Nov. with Kate and friends. Was that not a vacation?
He was there to propose to Catherine, he wasn't there for a long time 2 weeks or something.
I cannot remember the last time he was away before that. Maybe skiing last February.
It's not like we hear about him hopping on a plane every two weeks to some far off island.
We don't hear about his work in the army because there is no point to use hearing about it. We see him on official visits, like we might see him at the BAFTAS.
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It's not like the whole BRF doesn't ever take time off. There are big stretches at Sandringham and Balmoral.
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Sandringham and Balmoral are on "home turf", Kenya and tropical islands are not.
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It's not like the whole BRF doesn't ever take time off. There are big stretches at Sandringham and Balmoral.
Whilst at Sandringham and Balmoral, it has been reported that HM continues to review her official red boxes. The PoW and the DoC also often carry out engagements locally in Scotland / Norfolk whilst in residence.
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It's not like the whole BRF doesn't ever take time off. There are big stretches at Sandringham and Balmoral.
There are stretches there but they are also the bases from which they carry out a number of royal duties e.g. the Braemar Games, the annual visit to the WI from Sandringham.

And of course the Queen still does her daily boxes. They follow her everywhere and every day.
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I think that the republishing of vacation photos might give the impression that they're on vacation more than they are. Also, most people in North American start with two weeks' vacation in a new job. So to people on this side of the water, it seems like the British get a lot of vacation time. I used to think that my UK friends were vacationing an awful lot, and then I learned that it's the norm over there to have four to five weeks.


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II've no idea what the terms are for an RAF SAR pilot's holiday time but most jobs in UK have 4-5 weeks available as holiday that can be booked & taken anytime in the year,
I've never really seen why people get so up in arms about supposedly being on holiday all the time,
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I have to sign this.

I would not what some kind of "empty shell" or "puppet" as a head of state. Somebody who is handsome, knows how to give a speech, which somebody else wrote, waves to his people and smiles would be not enough for me.
How would you know that person could do more than be handsome, know how to give a speech, etc.?
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Whilst at Sandringham and Balmoral, it has been reported that HM continues to review her official red boxes. The PoW and the DoC also often carry out engagements locally in Scotland / Norfolk whilst in residence.
I dont recall WIlliam doing so. My point is, they have 2 months at their various 'vacation homes' every year. I personally would be thrilled to have 2 months a year off, as I am sure other members of William's squadron would be. Though I would personally prefer to go Pss Margaret's route of Mustique for the vacation home. William used to spend quite a bit of time in Switzerland skiing with his father too. Does anyone know the last year they did that?
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About the foreign language thing...isn't the official language of the Court of St. James French? Has that been changed? Why would not all "working" royals be required to speak it (or at least be adept enough to translate a menu.)

And about the vacation thing. I am sure that William gets preferential treatment, as most military men and women get a 30 day furlough and it is taken all at one time. Then again, the rules probably don't apply to PW.
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I dont recall WIlliam doing so. My point is, they have 2 months at their various 'vacation homes' every year. I personally would be thrilled to have 2 months a year off, as I am sure other members of William's squadron would be. Though I would personally prefer to go Pss Margaret's route of Mustique for the vacation home. William used to spend quite a bit of time in Switzerland skiing with his father too. Does anyone know the last year they did that?
We have to remember also that William is not a full time working royal at this point. His full time duties are in Wales with SAR. I really don't buy into it that William wouldn't work any more or less than than his fellow crewmates either. What most probably happens when William needs to have a week off at a certain time is that he'll work more shifts when he is able rather than like others perhaps who work 4 shifts on and 3 shifts off kind of thing and putting in as many hours a month as anyone else. IIRC William wants to be treated like any other member of his regiment and most certainly would not take advantage of who he is to wangle more time off etc.

The last time I recall him going skiing was last spring with the Middletons. I have no clue when the last time he skiied with his dad. Those trips may have become rarer since his father remarried and both boys have active military roles now.
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