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Old 09-18-2014, 12:07 PM
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Why would William want to be political? As King he would need to be apolitical, so it is best to be like the Queen and keep his views private rather to be like his father with a document trail following behind him.

Also he is going to be King of multiple countries- definitely another reason to stay away from politics.
I actually agree. Charles has done a lot of good for the country in his position as Prince of Wales, but I've never liked the way he has tried to get involved in politics, however slight. I realise that he doesn't have the same restrictions on his position as the Queen does, but I always felt it was slightly overstepping the mark for him to be giving his opinion on political issues. I read in the DailyMail recently (which could just be a load of rubbish) that he was asked by a few MPs if he would be willing to give up his power to veto legislation when he is King. IF that is true, I can only guess it comes as a direct result of his tendency to make his political opinion known. William much more mirrors the Queen in this respect. Always diplomatic, never controversial.
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Old 09-19-2014, 09:31 AM
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Who in their right mind would want to be king - you get to live in a fish bowl with constant media coverage, always wary of trusting anyone. Every action and non-action is criticized by people in the media and by absolute strangers on message boards. Your day -week-month-year is planned down to the minute. You also get to read mean spirited stories about the woman you love - a woman who gave up her private life to live in the media glare. As Harry is discovering, the chance to wear a tiara is not worth the media in your face 24/7.
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Old 09-19-2014, 09:43 AM
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I actually agree. Charles has done a lot of good for the country in his position as Prince of Wales, but I've never liked the way he has tried to get involved in politics, however slight. I realise that he doesn't have the same restrictions on his position as the Queen does, but I always felt it was slightly overstepping the mark for him to be giving his opinion on political issues. I read in the DailyMail recently (which could just be a load of rubbish) that he was asked by a few MPs if he would be willing to give up his power to veto legislation when he is King. IF that is true, I can only guess it comes as a direct result of his tendency to make his political opinion known. William much more mirrors the Queen in this respect. Always diplomatic, never controversial.
I do not think Charles is party political in any way. He is a man of conviction and ideas, and is happy to use his influence to see his ideas implemented.
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Old 09-19-2014, 01:57 PM
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Who in their right mind would want to be king - you get to live in a fish bowl with constant media coverage, always wary of trusting anyone. Every action and non-action is criticized by people in the media and by absolute strangers on message boards. Your day -week-month-year is planned down to the minute. You also get to read mean spirited stories about the woman you love - a woman who gave up her private life to live in the media glare. As Harry is discovering, the chance to wear a tiara is not worth the media in your face 24/7.
Now that is the very best summation of any royal out there, is you have a strong stomach and have no problem with no private life even when the media is in your bathroom, then this is the life for you..........I feel for Harry, I wonder if he will ever have that married life that he wants, who could put up with a camera going under your skirt, peeking in the bedroom, having lies spread about you on a minute to minute basis, Oh no the life to be lived. Freedom is the most important thing in the world and that I will take any day of the week!
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Old 09-19-2014, 02:17 PM
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Who in their right mind would want to be king - you get to live in a fish bowl with constant media coverage, always wary of trusting anyone. Every action and non-action is criticized by people in the media and by absolute strangers on message boards. Your day -week-month-year is planned down to the minute. You also get to read mean spirited stories about the woman you love - a woman who gave up her private life to live in the media glare. As Harry is discovering, the chance to wear a tiara is not worth the media in your face 24/7.
(Western European) kings get far less criticism and media scrutiny than (western European) politicians, mostly because, since kings don't make government policy decisions, they are above partisan controversy and are not blamed for a bad economy, welfare cuts, tax rises, crime or an unpopular war, just to mention a few common culprits of the downfall of governments in western democracies.

Actually, most of the time, the press is deferential to monarchs, even more so than it should be and the monarch is never directly attacked (royal princes may fall into a different category though).

All things considered, being a hereditary and non-partisan Head of State is a fairly comfortable position compared to being a prime minister or an elected president.
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:49 PM
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I do not think Charles is party political in any way. He is a man of conviction and ideas, and is happy to use his influence to see his ideas implemented.
Perhaps I'm not giving him the credit he is due. When I read about him writing letters to MPs and holding meeting with them, as he did on the recent Scottish referendum, it makes me raise my eyebrow. That being said though, he definitely has a lot of influence which he has tried to use for the betterment of his country and people, so it isn't as if I think he will make a bad King. I think he'll do quite well regardless.
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Old 08-22-2015, 02:22 AM
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I think we saw on Williams China and Japan tour that he is capable of being a neutral diplomatic precence. Him being the olive-branch to China is a very big move in my book and shows trust in him. Now with the state banquet (yet another increase in the signifigance of his duties) we will see him start probably one of his first more influential diplomatic relations.
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Old 08-22-2015, 02:43 AM
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Let us take it all in perspective: for years and years Prince Philippe of Belgium has been ridiculized and painted down as a goof, a dumb, a grey suit, a clumsy figure. Now he is making a good and promising start as King of the Belgians and his father King Albert II has in the meantime totally been forgotten.

Another thing to be taken into perspective: Prince Albert, the Duke of York, was a shy person who disliked to be in the public eye and had a serious stammer. Unexpectedly he was called upon the throne. He made a great King George VI.

Morale of the story: it does not matter so much if someone is suitable for the kingship or not. The line of succession is as it is. In a constitutional monarchy the King has (almost) no executive powers and is covered by the political responsibility of the Government, so it is all not that important if Prince William is "suitable" or not.
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Old 08-22-2015, 02:49 AM
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I know I'm nit-picking here, but surely, Mbruno, Kings as head of state do get the blame for unpopular wars, or wars that have turned out disastrously. Look at the Greek royals in the early 1920's as a result of the Greek-Turkish War, Kaiser Bill in 1918, the Habsburgs in 1919, for instance. It was Uneasy Lies the Head for them at least.
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Old 08-22-2015, 03:18 AM
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I know I'm nit-picking here, but surely, Mbruno, Kings as head of state do get the blame for unpopular wars, or wars that have turned out disastrously. Look at the Greek royals in the early 1920's, Kaiser Bill in 1918, the Habsburgs in 1919, for instance. It was Uneasy Lies the Head for them at least.
There was no constitutional monarchy in Austria-Hungary or in Russia, the more executive powers the royals have, the more vulnerable they become. So a disastrous loss of a country like Russia or Austria, at the cost of millions and millions of fellow citizens, with a ravaged economy and a wide-spreading revolutionary ghost soon toppled these heads of state. Look what happened after the fall of the Iron Curtain, when the one after the other communist Government was toppled. Look what happened during the Arab Spring, the one after the other ruler was thrown out of the presidential palaces.

Then we come to Emperor Wilhelm II. However a powerless figure, since the Empire was more or less governed by a military junta: the Oberste Heeresleiting (Supreme Army Command) held the reins of power and the Emperor was degraded to a rubberstamp for their decisions. The Emperor however has been so loud and so visibly uniting himself and the monarchy with the disastrous course which lead to the path of war, that the disaster which came over Germany could not remain without an eruption, an outcome which was astonishing: not only the toppling of the Emperor but of all the monarchies of all the independent states in the German "federation".

Then we come to Greece. As it is anno 2015, so was it in the 1920's. Greece is a laughing stock amongst Europe's nations. Anno 2015 it is a dysfunctional state, glued together by corruptism, nepotism, inefficiency and plundering. That was not different back then in the 1920's. The Greek royals essentially were foreigners who were planted there and did nothing to take firm rooting in Greek society.
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Old 08-22-2015, 08:23 AM
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Let us take it all in perspective: for years and years Prince Philippe of Belgium has been ridiculized and painted down as a goof, a dumb, a grey suit, a clumsy figure. Now he is making a good and promising start as King of the Belgians and his father King Albert II has in the meantime totally been forgotten.

Another thing to be taken into perspective: Prince Albert, the Duke of York, was a shy person who disliked to be in the public eye and had a serious stammer. Unexpectedly he was called upon the throne. He made a great King George VI.

Morale of the story: it does not matter so much if someone is suitable for the kingship or not. The line of succession is as it is. In a constitutional monarchy the King has (almost) no executive powers and is covered by the political responsibility of the Government, so it is all not that important if Prince William is "suitable" or not.
I have to take issue with your assertion that Crown "Prince Philippe of Belgium has been ridiculized and painted down as a goof, a dumb, a grey suit, a clumsy figure." as I have never read anything that depicted him as anything other that a quiet, somewhat reserved and perhaps overserious young man who managed to marry a woman who complements him beautifully and who has given him four beautiful children. Not surprisingly he has grown, matured and attained the gravitas required to come into his destiny as King under the shadow of scandal and has shown every indication that he is, and will continue to be a fine King. If you have any references to his goofy dumb and clumsy traits I'd love to read them.

As for Prince Albert, Duke of York? You are correct, he did suffer from a debilitating speech impediment and I agree, he did make a Great King.

However, when it comes to Prince William's visit to China and Japan it is, as always, at the behest of the HM Government and they at least are confident that he can handle the cultural nuances that are so important, at a diplomatic level, without causing offence.
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Old 08-22-2015, 09:59 AM
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Prince William's Suitability to be King

Well if, as he writes in his preface to the new autobiography of The Queen by Lord Hurd, William has his grandmother as "a model for a life of service to the public" I don't think we have anything to worry about https://twitter.com/james_elliott_/s...84682871336960


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Old 08-22-2015, 10:33 AM
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Agreed.
The modifiers he uses tell us not only what he admires in the Queen, but what he thinks is important in a monarch:
  • quietly and modestly
  • example and continuity
  • charity, family, duty and compassion
  • kindness and sense of humour
  • sense of calm and perspective
  • love of family and home
Nicely done.
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:54 AM
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Yes nice with the words. Lets hope (when the time come) with the acts and the help of his consort to make it great job.
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Old 08-22-2015, 11:06 AM
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Well if, as he writes in his preface to the new autobiography of The Queen by Lord Hurd, William has his grandmother as "a model for a life of service to the public" I don't think we have anything to worry about https://twitter.com/james_elliott_/s...84682871336960


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William knows what is expected, and judging by what he wrote, he also knows what qualities of his grandmother he wants to emulate when his turn comes. No, there's nothing to worry about, because when the time comes, he will be ready for the job.

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Agreed.
The modifiers he uses tell us not only what he admires in the Queen, but what he thinks is important in a monarch:
  • quietly and modestly
  • example and continuity
  • charity, family, duty and compassion
  • kindness and sense of humour
  • sense of calm and perspective
  • love of family and home
Nicely done.
Nicely done, indeed. I think William picked the attributes that many admire when it comes to Her Majesty.



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Old 08-22-2015, 12:34 PM
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The royal machinery that is present in every country in Europe with a monarchy is firmly in place just like any other part of the government. Even with a change in the Head of State the machinery still keep functioning and working. The new Kind/Queen will of course over time replace some staff with their own handpicked choices but for most part, any major changes will take some time. Each new King/Queen will bring there own style and preferences to the job. Of course the Prince of Wales will be starting his role as King 60+ years (maybe 70+) after QEII. Their starting points alone will assure all that the reign will be very different. But the changes will be incremental and only noticable over time. It is like dropping a new captain onto an oceanliner at sea. He/she will be able to change course but it will not be instant.
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Old 08-22-2015, 01:02 PM
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I have to take issue with your assertion that Crown "Prince Philippe of Belgium has been ridiculized and painted down as a goof, a dumb, a grey suit, a clumsy figure." as I have never read anything that depicted him as anything other. [...]
Oh oh yes, (then) Prince Philippe really, really had a poor imago.

De Standaard (the most serious Dutch-speaking newspaper): "[And?] Can he now?" [...] His whole life long Prince Philippe has to deal with the image of a colourless but stubborn houten klaas (wooden indian)[....]. Link

Het Nieuwsblad: [...] "He simply can't. A sad case. He just walks along, like a doggie. Shaking hands." (Spoken by Mr Herman Liebaers, former Court Marshal) [...] Link

NRC/Handelsblad: [...] Prince Philippe needs a "political nanny" to help him [...] (former Prime Minister Wilfried Martens Link

Trouw: "Belgian media sceptical about King Philippe: no one becomes excited about his intellect" Link

In this article, Yves Desmet, Editor-in-Chief of De Morgen: "To Philippe sticks that he just can't. Whether it is true or not true, fact is that no one who has once met him seems to counter that argument." Jan Segers, Editor-in-Chief of Het Laatste Nieuws: "Maybe Prince Philippe will succeed in fighting the prejudices about him." He does not have a lot of trust in that: "no one becomes excited about his intellect." [...] "According various politicians Prince Philippe not only misses his father's sound state of mind, but also his self-awareness, his modesty and world-wisdom. Two journalists of the newspaper De Morgen: "A conversation with Prince Philippe is like a conversation with a plant. The same interaction." The French-speaking newspaper L'Avenir avoids Prince Philippe and stresses Princess Mathilde: "In two weeks after her wedding day, she has done more for the monarchy than King Albert in ten years."

Morale of the story: we can discuss if Prince William is capable, suitable or ready but that does not matter. The widespread feeling in Belgium was that King Philippe = a dumb, a goof, a clumsy dude on the throne = Philippe the Last. For so far the King seems to enjoy popularity and no big hiccups were caused. The King has a low profile, that is maybe deliberately done. So the predicted disasters have not happened (yet).
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Old 08-22-2015, 01:32 PM
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I agree that William's education is not so great compared to that of other European royal heirs, some of whom have already ascended their respective thrones BTW. However, if you think about it, William has far more formal education than his grandmother, who is widely recognized as an excellent monarch. And William was a better university student than his father, with the caveat however that he attended a lower ranked institution than the one Prince Charles went to (i.e. St Andrew's versus Cambridge).

One thing that bothers me though about William is his inability to speak any foreign language at all. Since he is (probably) going to be also King of Canada, at least an effort on his part to learn French properly would be appreciated. I was watching a few days ago a clip of William's Canada Day speech in Ottawa and, although he seemed to connect with the crowd, it was painful to hear him struggle to read a few prepared notes in French.

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Old 08-22-2015, 01:35 PM
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I agree that William's education is not so great compared to that of other European royal heirs, some of whom have already ascended their respective thrones BTW. However, if you think about it, William has far more formal education than his grandmother, who is widely recognized as an excellent monarch. And William was a better university student than his father, despite attending a lower ranked institution (i.e. St Andrew's versus Cambridge).

One thing that bothers me though about William is his inability to speak any foreign language at all. Since he is (probably) going to be also King of Canada, at least an effort on his part to learn French properly would be appreciated. I was watching a few days ago a clip of William's Canada Day speech in Ottawa and, although he seemed to connect with the crowd, it was painful to hear him struggle to read a few prepared notes in French.

I understand your point, but people are good at different things. Clearly, languagues isn't his thing, and I think as long as he's able to connect with people and at least tries to say a few words in their language, it will go a long way. Yes, it would be cool if he knew more.. but I don't see it as a necissity.
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Old 08-22-2015, 01:42 PM
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PW allegedly attended tea every week with his Grandmother when he was at Eton to assist him in his understanding of his forthcoming role. Her Majesty was not intended to be Monarch and indeed it came as a shock when her father did become King.
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