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Old 12-09-2010, 05:42 PM
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Yes the monarchy is Commander-In-Chief, some affiliation IMO doesn't mean a total of nearly 10 years training for him to just automatically become Commander-In-Chief.
Prince Harry has managed to complete frontline service and he is 3rd in line to the throne.
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Old 12-09-2010, 06:30 PM
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Yes the monarchy is Commander-In-Chief, some affiliation IMO doesn't mean a total of nearly 10 years training for him to just automatically become Commander-In-Chief.
Prince Harry has managed to complete frontline service and he is 3rd in line to the throne.
Why not?

He needs to fully understand how the military system works, in order to better perform his duties as a monarch, when the time comes.
That doesn't necessarily mean frontline service. In many countries that would be a problem, as for many countries the nearest thing they came to a war was serving as peacekeepers. (A highly political task, so almost certainly a no, no for a royal).
Andrew served in Falklands War, but Charles didn't serve in Yemen or Northern Ireland, which would have been an option. (That these theatres of operations were highly political and volatile is another matter).

Harry is to put it brutally, a spare. Personally I respect him for serving, but I would also have been against it, if I was British. Royals are bullet magnets. Bullets however, have a tendency to miss their targets and hit those nearby instead...
And as you know he was immediatly pulled out, once his cover was blown.

If William was to serve anywhere near Afghanistan, litterally thousands would do anything to have a go at any British soldier in the hope of hitting William, and that sort of goes against the purpose of the soldiers being there in the first place.

No, every life William and his crew save with their helicopter home in Britain is worth it all, in my opinion.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:40 PM
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Yes the monarchy is Commander-In-Chief, some affiliation IMO doesn't mean a total of nearly 10 years training for him to just automatically become Commander-In-Chief.
Prince Harry has managed to complete frontline service and he is 3rd in line to the throne.
3rd being the key- and was very top secret and wasn't there for the whole time either. William and Charles can't fly on same plane together because 1 must be available so there always an heir so I doubt they'd let William go especially since Charles is getting up there and the Queen could outlive him

Didn't Andrew go on active duty at one point but not Charles?

In the US VP Joe Bidens son went to Iraq and many were very upset because should he be captured it would like a trophy same with PW IMHO
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:40 PM
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Harry is to put it brutally, a spare. Personally I respect him for serving, but I would also have been against it, if I was British. Royals are bullet magnets. Bullets however, have a tendency to miss their targets and hit those nearby instead...
And as you know he was immediatly pulled out, once his cover was blown.

Harry was pulled some 7 weeks after his cover was blown by New Idea here in Australia - hardly immediately.

If the millions are to be spent on training these guys then they should be able to serve fully and if they are killed, captured or executed so be it. They are plenty of other members of the royal family.

If they aren't going to serve fully then they should be told that they can't join the military.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:47 PM
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If the millions are to be spent on training these guys then they should be able to serve fully and if they are killed, captured or executed so be it. They are plenty of other members of the royal family.

If they aren't going to serve fully then they should be told that they can't join the military.
I believe in does serve just at home not abroad , is that right?please correct me if wrong. Also it's not just about him being killed/captured- it would be a huge trophy to the enemy and may bring plp to their cause or even endanger other soliders because the enemy wishes to capture/kill such a famous person
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:57 PM
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If the millions are to be spent on training these guys then they should be able to serve fully and if they are killed, captured or executed so be it. They are plenty of other members of the royal family.
You don't expect me to take that serious, do you?

It's my opinion that those who demand that someone should go to a war zone, should go themselves.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:24 PM
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You don't expect me to take that serious, do you?

It's my opinion that those who demand that someone should go to a war zone, should go themselves.

My point was that if they are to be trained then they should serve fully. No one forced them to join the military but having done so they shouldn't be protected from the same service as their fellow servicemen and women.

As for serving in a war zone I didn't get the chance due to us not having anywhere for reservists to serve when I was in the military - not through lack of desire but through lack of opportunity.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:24 PM
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Harry was pulled some 7 weeks after his cover was blown by New Idea here in Australia - hardly immediately.

If the millions are to be spent on training these guys then they should be able to serve fully and if they are killed, captured or executed so be it. They are plenty of other members of the royal family..
Wow! Just.....wow.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:29 PM
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My point was that if they are to be trained then they should serve fully. No one forced them to join the military but having done so they shouldn't be protected from the same service as their fellow servicemen and women.

As for serving in a war zone I didn't get the chance due to us not having anywhere for reservists to serve when I was in the military - not through lack of desire but through lack of opportunity.
Fair enough, I can respect that opinion. I still disagree, not out of consideration to the royal, but because a royal endanger the lives of others and can worsen a situation. - if his/her presence is known.

I served in Croatia myself in the 90's, which is why I reacted strongly.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:49 PM
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As others have noted, there are a few considerations to be taken into account on this issue.

Though William might want to serve in a war zone exercising his skills, and would earn respect for being willing to be exposed to the same risks as his colleagues, which could help him in his future role, his presence is likely to expose them to greater danger because he could be a target for extremists. So, on balance, I think their interests should be put before his wishes. I think the same probably applies to Harry, now, too.

One could also argue that because these two can't be sent into dangerous zones, other servicemen will have to be sent in their stead and their lives risked more than if William and Harry took their turn, so perhaps they shouldn't be in the services at all and that the expensive training they have received should have been provided to others.
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Old 12-10-2010, 01:05 AM
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Then he shouldn't have been allowed to do military training in the first place.
Honestly, even if he's gone through the training just to take a job on the home front, it frees up another soldier (or sailor or airman) to go to Afghanistan. So he is still contributing to the effort.
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:09 AM
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William's job is a fairly dangerous one, even though he's working in the UK and not in Afghanistan. He's responsible for people's lives, both those of his fellow crew members and those whom they're attempting to rescue. He's doing real work and not playing at being a soldier.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:05 AM
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William's job is a fairly dangerous one, even though he's working in the UK and not in Afghanistan. He's responsible for people's lives, both those of his fellow crew members and those whom they're attempting to rescue. He's doing real work and not playing at being a soldier.
Exactly! He is doing an important job which saves lives.
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Old 12-10-2010, 04:33 PM
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William's job is a fairly dangerous one, even though he's working in the UK and not in Afghanistan. He's responsible for people's lives, both those of his fellow crew members and those whom they're attempting to rescue. He's doing real work and not playing at being a soldier.
Precisely!!

My cousin is a Sea King pilot in the Cdn Armed Forces and she will defend William whenever she hears, to her, such stupid comments. Being a Search and Rescue pilot is one of the more dangerous jobs in the Military and it's not just a place holder kind of a thing for William to do. He is doing very real and very dangerous work, which he should be applauded for.

That some think his training's a waste of money...I just can't believe that. I'm sure that group that was stranded on that cliff face that he helped to rescue during his Training were more than happy to have him serving.
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:30 PM
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Precisely!!

My cousin is a Sea King pilot in the Cdn Armed Forces and she will defend William whenever she hears, to her, such stupid comments. Being a Search and Rescue pilot is one of the more dangerous jobs in the Military and it's not just a place holder kind of a thing for William to do. He is doing very real and very dangerous work, which he should be applauded for.

That some think his training's a waste of money...I just can't believe that. I'm sure that group that was stranded on that cliff face that he helped to rescue during his Training were more than happy to have him serving.

However other SAR pilots are able to be sent to Afghanistan but William isn't.

That is a way more dangerous service than Wales. Because he can't go someone else has to do extra service there.

By the way - in Australia the job he does is done by the Air Ambulance not the military.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:31 PM
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However other SAR pilots are able to be sent to Afghanistan but William isn't.

That is a way more dangerous service than Wales. Because he can't go someone else has to do extra service there.

By the way - in Australia the job he does is done by the Air Ambulance not the military.
The bottom line is this. Whether you agree with it or not, England is not going to send William into war zones. He is the second in line to the throne, and whether or not you think he is expendable, others do not.
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I think something that's also worth mentioning is what the future King William having hands on, day to day experience serving in the forces will mean to his fellow soldiers. William will one day be their Commander in Chief and I think the majority of servicemen and women will greatly appreciate having someone whose connection to them is not just ceremonial. There's no doubt in my mind that when William, (and Harry), attends a memorial service for British war dead he's experiencing it in a way a civilian couldn't and that every soldier who sees him knows this. IMO anyone who thinks otherwise is underestimating the bond that links soldiers together.

I also get the impression that some think that because William can't serve abroad, or at least not in a dangerous area like Afghanistan, that the forces have somehow not gotten a return on their investment. Leaving aside for a minute the weirdness of trying to quantify something like that, let's try to do the math. No, William can't go abroad. But is it possible, just maybe, that the forces might get a tiny bit of free publicity when a very high profile, very well thought of British prince is seen conducting himself well in the military? I think if you asked the big guns in the RAF, for example, they'd say William is worth a hundred times his weight in gold.
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I think something that's also worth mentioning is what the future King William having hands on, day to day experience serving in the forces will mean to his fellow soldiers. William will one day be their Commander in Chief and I think the majority of servicemen and women will greatly appreciate having someone whose connection to them is not just ceremonial. There's no doubt in my mind that when William, (and Harry), attends a memorial service for British war dead he's experiencing it in a way a civilian couldn't and that every soldier who sees him knows this. IMO anyone who thinks otherwise is underestimating the bond that links soldiers together.

I also get the impression that some think that because William can't serve abroad, or at least not in a dangerous area like Afghanistan, that the forces have somehow not gotten a return on their investment. Leaving aside for a minute the weirdness of trying to quantify something like that, let's try to do the math. No, William can't go abroad. But is it possible, just maybe, that the forces might get a tiny bit of free publicity when a very high profile, very well thought of British prince is seen conducting himself well in the military? I think if you asked the big guns in the RAF, for example, they'd say William is worth a hundred times his weight in gold.
Excellent points. I completely agree with what you are saying. William isn't just biding his time doing what he has to do. He truly enjoys it and wants to make a difference. It isn't his fault he can't serve where he may be needed most. He was born into the destiny he has and has no choice.
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I think something that's also worth mentioning is what the future King William having hands on, day to day experience serving in the forces will mean to his fellow soldiers. William will one day be their Commander in Chief and I think the majority of servicemen and women will greatly appreciate having someone whose connection to them is not just ceremonial. There's no doubt in my mind that when William, (and Harry), attends a memorial service for British war dead he's experiencing it in a way a civilian couldn't and that every soldier who sees him knows this. IMO anyone who thinks otherwise is underestimating the bond that links soldiers together.

I also get the impression that some think that because William can't serve abroad, or at least not in a dangerous area like Afghanistan, that the forces have somehow not gotten a return on their investment. Leaving aside for a minute the weirdness of trying to quantify something like that, let's try to do the math. No, William can't go abroad. But is it possible, just maybe, that the forces might get a tiny bit of free publicity when a very high profile, very well thought of British prince is seen conducting himself well in the military? I think if you asked the big guns in the RAF, for example, they'd say William is worth a hundred times his weight in gold.
Absolutely.

If William, and Harry too, just attended Sandhurst and then became honorary colonels they wouldn't have the same affilliation with the servicemen in the military and they wouldn't get the same respect.

I can also say with certainty that the same servicemen would not respect William less for not going to Afghanistan.

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I agree that the military gets publicity but is it worth the amount of money that they spent on training. What about his tours of duty with all the services? There was no real point in that. He could have gotten the experience and training with just one. Just for the record I recognize that all the services have something different to offer I was just thinking about taxpayers money.
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