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Old 03-10-2016, 09:55 AM
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Thanks, Rudolph. I assumed that since he was identified as being from Essex, that the named location was where the incident happened. The only event that's happened in Dunmow was in June, but it's far enough back that there were no details.

The Cambridge paper wrote a much clearer story. Thank you again for the link.
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Old 03-10-2016, 10:32 AM
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Does the media acknowledge that flying for 20 hours a weeks means he spend time at work where he doesn't fly?
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Old 03-10-2016, 10:46 AM
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I don't think it's possible for him to fly 20 hours a week, to be honest. Taking last week (I know he wasn't flying, but it's just a sample), Anglia Two was scrambled on five (possibly six) occasions. Even if each mission lasts two hours, that's only 10-12 hours of "away from base" time, not all of which is actually flight time. That 10-12 hours of time is split over 8 pilots.

During that week, there were also 3 missions that were responded to via land vehicle, and another half dozen that were flown by Anglia One out of Norfolk. Since they've done 157 missions this year over 10 weeks, it seems like a pretty average week.
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Old 03-10-2016, 12:12 PM
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Prince William and His Work as a Helicopter Pilot

Flight time is different than work time. A pilot could be there for 8 hrs and there isn't a call out or there is 6 call outs that day. Are the hours being mentioned time in the air only or work time?
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Old 03-10-2016, 02:05 PM
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I saw this post specullating on why helicopter pilot work hours compared to normal persons working hours. I don't know how true it is, just like the reporters don't know anything about it either.

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Old 03-10-2016, 03:26 PM
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This telegraph article says a regular pilot works 120-130 hrs/month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-red-tape.html

A regular 9-5 40 hrs a week person is working 160 hrs/month. So a pilot isn't working as much as say a office worker.


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Old 03-10-2016, 06:50 PM
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I will be the first to admit that flying a helicopter and either winching or landing in odd places to uplift medically unstable patients, is far more dangerous and mentally taxing than flying a fixed wing aircraft using airports from point to point. I know that a helicopter is at the mercy of random updrafts, wind shear, etc. which makes for more stress on the aircrew when carrying out their "routine" tasks.

SAR personnel by definition do not "do" much routine flying except ongoing training to keep their hours up. The biggest problem, once again, is the shamelessly arrogant and incompetent performance of KP PR. That they didn't even bother to check their facts and carelessly, off the cuff, cited the CAA as the reason that William couldn't do more (royal) work on his days off was, I believe, their worst gaffe ever. That the CAA publicly called them on it is the very worst publicity that William needed.

I am not much of a fan of William's (his attitude bothers me) but fairs fair. Whether he works as a pilot or performs royal duties is irrelevant as obviously both HM and POW are on board with it. What does matter is that there is a clear and honest dialogue between KP, the press and the general public. Honesty and the appearance of transparency are key. KP's continued bumbling attempts at obfuscation leads all to think, rightly or wrongly, there is something to hide.
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Old 03-10-2016, 08:19 PM
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I agree it was a huge mess and indeed made you wonder what were they covering up. Maybe they need to give their PR some training or replace them.


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Old 03-10-2016, 09:57 PM
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This is the original report about the helicopter rescue of the little Essex boy who suffered from a peanut allergy, from the local newspaper. The details vary somewhat from later reports.

Prince William flies air ambulance to help choking 3-year-old boy at Stortford school | Herts & Essex Observer
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:36 PM
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Making William the "Hero" and the rest of the crew bit players as this as this article proves, is just a continuing saga of none too accurate puff pieces designed to raise Williams profile. It makes him look bad taking credit for what is a team effort so, more bad PR . . .
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Old 03-11-2016, 01:39 AM
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Making William the "Hero" and the rest of the crew bit players as this as this article proves, is just a continuing saga of none too accurate puff pieces designed to raise Williams profile. It makes him look bad taking credit for what is a team effort so, more bad PR . . .
Well, let's give credit where it's due - it's the subsequent article writer who's given William credit for the surgical glove puppet. The tot's mother is quoted in both articles thanking everyone involved - all the helicopter personnel and the hospital staff, so the article doesn't even credit William at the expense of everyone else.
Writers spin things and William has no control over how they chose to spin a story. Unless I missed a press conference where William said 'yes I made the puppet and the rest of the crew did nothing' there is no evidence that William did anything to draw attention to this incident.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:15 PM
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Interesting that photo set of Wills with a patient in the Daily Mail cost £500 if used since they left that info in the caption. Wonder how Kate or the kids go for money wise?


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Old 03-23-2016, 12:30 PM
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Prince William comforts a patient on a stretcher after flying to emergency call out | Daily Mail Online
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Old 03-23-2016, 05:55 PM
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Moving a patient with a suspected spinal injury is tricky work so it's fortunate that there were enough trained hands to help with the transport to the hospital.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:03 PM
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Oh dear, the PR people seem to have decided that flying a SAR Helicopter does not provide enough 'visuals' for photographers to laud his daring do, regardless of the incredible skill required to carry out such rescues. So now they are turning William into "Super Willie", there's nothing he cannot do. From flying to working with the patients.

On a normal day, William would not have been seen unless the medical ground crew were horrendously understaffed and needed help with the stretcher, a situation that is pretty far fetched save for a national disaster. And since he's pushing the gurney it would seems the crew of a SAR helicopter is overstaffed with an optional, and therefore unnecessary, co-pilot!

Don't they know that this sort of publicity is negative, that it lauds William's compassion and deep commitment at the expense of the people that actually carry out those duties with their own unique and hard-earned qualifications and deep commitment?

I'm certainly not buying what they are trying to sell!
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:14 PM
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Oh dear, the PR people seem to have decided that flying a SAR Helicopter does not provide enough 'visuals' for photographers to laud his daring do, regardless of the incredible skill required to carry out such rescues. So now they are turning William into "Super Willie", there's nothing he cannot do. From flying to working with the patients.

On a normal day, William would not have been seen unless the medical ground crew were horrendously understaffed and needed help with the stretcher, a situation that is pretty far fetched save for a national disaster. And since he's pushing the gurney it would seems the crew of a SAR helicopter is overstaffed with an optional, and therefore unnecessary, co-pilot!

Don't they know that this sort of publicity is negative, that it lauds William's compassion and deep commitment at the expense of the people that actually carry out those duties with their own unique and hard-earned qualifications and deep commitment?

I'm certainly not buying what they are trying to sell!
It looks like both pilots were helping? Or perhaps just Will & another member of the crew? Plus the other staff.

The entire article is extremely confusing to me as they seem to contradict themselves in every other sentence, but I don't follow his air ambulance career closely enough. I mean, if the man was greatly comforted by William's presence, then I can buy him being asked to stick around, but I don't know their protocols.

I don't think there's anything malicious or whatever in this, though. But I don't find the need to find a negative in everything somebody does.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:16 PM
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So if William isn't seen working, he must be at home with his feet up loafing around and that is awful and bad, but if he is seen at work helping a patient, that means he's pandering to the press and is also awful and bad.

Got it. Good logic there, folks.


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Old 03-24-2016, 12:04 AM
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The patient had a suspected pelvic fracture (and by definition, spinal injury) and they were transferring the guy to another gurney. Transfers like that need all hands on deck. Any time I have been involved in a transfer like that we utilized every one. Including the pilots, who were trained to assist. I don't see this as some PR stunt. I see it as a pilot helping out the team which is his job.
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Thank you Macrobug for sharing your own professional experience regarding today's article. It appears that the patient had the the appropriate and necessary care for his injury.
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