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Old 08-23-2013, 09:27 PM
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For the record, I never said Mike should turn in his camera. That's a fine photo of the dog - they do have pet photographers, you know. Perhaps he missed his true calling.

P.S. That was a joke. Don't flip out.
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1. The photos seem intentionally of low quality. Guesses why?

2. Why Mr Middleton as snapper? Very clever. To reduce attention to Mrs? Broadest shoulders for criticisms? Subtle reminder of family dynamic?

Surely the palaces have analysts contemplating elements such as these.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:27 PM
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I doubt it's anything that elaborate.

Michael Middleton likely took the pictures because he was available to do so when they were taking photos.

The pictures were the family photos that William and Catherine liked. Much like the name, I doh t there's anything all that deep to it. They liked them, they felt they served the purpose necessary, so they released them.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:28 PM
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I know, right. Testino has shot quite a few photos where the sun is behind his subject, and he's not the only one. I've seen many photos in magazines, where the celebs/models are shot with the sun behind them. I guess basic photography fail is okay when it's done by a professional, but Michael Middleton and everyone else need to turn over their cameras when they do it.

Poor Mr. Middleton. He was probably so proud and excited about taking the photos and now he has to hear that his photos and photo taking skills are horrible. I bet that's the last time he shares a family photo.
Personally, I don't like that technique in Testino's photos, either. And he has really bad lens flare in some of the pictures I've seen. I don't judge the person taking the photograph differently just because one happens to be paid for his work. Actually, the paid pro should know better.

I'm glad they released the photos, and I think it's great Mr. Middleton got a chance to take those photos. However, I don't think it would have been hard for him to take some that were better. They're perfectly fine for family pictures, but personally, I'm choosy about which of my photos I consider to be of good enough quality to share with other people. I have some pictures that I love and have kept but don't show to others (outside of family and close friends).
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:31 PM
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1. The photos seem intentionally of low quality. Guesses why?

2. Why Mr Middleton as snapper? Very clever. To reduce attention to Mrs? Broadest shoulders for criticisms? Subtle reminder of family dynamic?

Surely the palaces have analysts contemplating elements such as these.
TBH, I don't think anyone at the palaces or royal staff have even given a moments thought to analyzing the photos. Its really not that big of a deal and I'm sure they have other pressing issues to deal with.

The time after the birth of George was private time for the Cambridges and the Middletons and proud grandpa took pictures of his family members. He never claimed to be a master of photography and it was us that were lucky that they even consented to share these photos with us.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:44 PM
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TBH, I don't think anyone at the palaces or royal staff have even given a moments thought to analyzing the photos. Its really not that big of a deal and I'm sure they have other pressing issues to deal with.

The time after the birth of George was private time for the Cambridges and the Middletons and proud grandpa took pictures of his family members. He never claimed to be a master of photography and it was us that were lucky that they even consented to share these photos with us.
Very well written and I agree. Unfortunately these sites are used for dumping and venting. The real issues are rarely part of the discussions.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:57 PM
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Personally, I don't like that technique in Testino's photos, either. And he has really bad lens flare in some of the pictures I've seen. I don't judge the person taking the photograph differently just because one happens to be paid for his work. Actually, the paid pro should know better.

I'm glad they released the photos, and I think it's great Mr. Middleton got a chance to take those photos. However, I don't think it would have been hard for him to take some that were better. They're perfectly fine for family pictures, but personally, I'm choosy about which of my photos I consider to be of good enough quality to share with other people. I have some pictures that I love and have kept but don't show to others (outside of family and close friends).
But my point wasn't whether one likes Testino's or Michael M's photos/technique. My point was that some were acting as if MM is the only person that didn't follow basic photography. He was lambasted for things that Testino and other professional photographers do all the time.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:58 PM
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Very well written and I agree. Unfortunately these sites are used for dumping and venting. The real issues are rarely part of the discussions.
I agree with both of you :) the press labelled these pictures amateur and so many are quick to jump on the bandwagon and put their comments to it. Be lucky we got anything, this was a happy family wanting to share their joy with the rest of the world and it was slapped back in their faces by ungrateful people. I think it is sweet, unpretentious and private.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:14 PM
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But my point wasn't whether one likes Testino's or Michael M's photos/technique. My point was that MM was being lambasted for something that Testino and other professional photographers do all the time.
I'm sorry, but I think I may be missing what you're getting at. Are you saying Mr. Middleton shouldn't be criticized because professional photographers use the same technique? But if I criticize the pros for using it, why wouldn't I dislike it when he does the same?

Just because a professional photographer does something, it doesn't make it "good" (obviously, good is personal opinion). My feelings on the photos have nothing to do with what other photographers do.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:22 PM
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I'm sorry, but I think I may be missing what you're getting at. Are you saying Mr. Middleton shouldn't be criticized because professional photographers use the same technique? But if I criticize the pros for using it, why wouldn't I dislike it when he does the same?

Just because a professional photographer does something, it doesn't make it "good" (obviously, good is personal opinion). My feelings on the photos have nothing to do with what other photographers do.
I think the point is that while he can be critiqued for it, he shouldn't be attacked for it. There is a fine line between the two.

If you're saying that it's not a good photo because of the technique, but you'd be saying similar when a professional did it, then that's your opinion and good on you for consistency. But if you're saying that it's a bad photo because of the technique and Michael is clearly an amateur, but it's okay when professionals do it then you're being inconsistent in your critique and unfair to Michael. And if you're saying that it's a bad photo because of technique and how dare Michael take a bad picture and how dare the Cambridges release such an amateur photo for public viewing then you're being ridiculous.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:26 PM
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I think we should just be pleased that we got to see a personal family photo. I am sure you all have photos much worse in your little albums at home.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:30 PM
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I'm sorry, but I think I may be missing what you're getting at. Are you saying Mr. Middleton shouldn't be criticized because professional photographers use the same technique? But if I criticize the pros for using it, why wouldn't I dislike it when he does the same?

Just because a professional photographer does something, it doesn't make it "good" (obviously, good is personal opinion). My feelings on the photos have nothing to do with what other photographers do.
Not what I'm saying. I updated my earlier post to clarify a little better.

Someone stated that shooting subjects in front of light is basic photography that even 5 years olds know, and that even a child could take a better photo than Michael. They also stated that they knew of no one that would share such bad photos. Hence why I brought up Testino.

ETA: Ish said it better than I did.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:42 AM
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If you're saying that it's not a good photo because of the technique, but you'd be saying similar when a professional did it, then that's your opinion and good on you for consistency. But if you're saying that it's a bad photo because of the technique and Michael is clearly an amateur, but it's okay when professionals do it then you're being inconsistent in your critique and unfair to Michael. And if you're saying that it's a bad photo because of technique and how dare Michael take a bad picture and how dare the Cambridges release such an amateur photo for public viewing then you're being ridiculous.
I definitely meant the first scenario. Regarding the last sentence: everyone takes bad pictures (even pros). The only difference between people is their choice of which pictures to share. Personally, if I had taken the pictures, I probably would have thought that they weren't as good as they could be and retaken them until I got some I was happy to share. However, Mr. Middleton is obviously comfortable sharing the ones he took; that's his choice.
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I really do not like those pictures. And I am sad that there are no traditional official pictures, because those of prince Charles or William are simply so cute.
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I really do not like those pictures. And I am sad that there are no traditional official pictures, because those of prince Charles or William are simply so cute.
There will be official shots later. This was just the first salvo.
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There will be official shots later. This was just the first salvo.
I wonder what sort of complaints will come with those photo's. As far as I'm concerned people should be happy with whatever they are given. Will and Kate never had to do this. This was a gift and a thank you (at least that is how I see these photo's). They were never meant to be perfect.
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I thought the next official photos we would see of George would be his Christening or are there rumours that we'll see "official" photos of the family with the Queen at Balmoral?
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I don't think there will be Balmoral photos released. They will do photos at the christening with the families and godparents plus the queen with George, William and Charles. They may release studio shots of the Cambridges around the christening.

We didn't see photos of George meeting his grandparents, aunt and uncles, great granny the queen and we won't see him meet his great grandpa either.
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I cannot believe people got worked up enough about some family snaps to fill 20 pages. Seems like a bit of an over reaction regardless of if you think the pics were good, bad or indifferent. At the end of the day they are probably just like the pics in your own albums snapped by your fathers/husbands/brothers and not meant to be anything more than that.
We are bored and craving any BRF news - so we are inventing our own drama. September cannot come soon enough IMHO.

Next August, I suggest Harry, Bea, Eugenie, Louise or someone else get a puppy. Better yet, adopt a shelter puppy and walk its little legs off in Hyde Park. Better yet, two or more of them should and walk in phalanx outside KP.
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I too cannot understand the uproar about these pictures. Perhaps it is because they are rather casual and people think royals should be formal. These royals are not going to be formal when they don't have to. They will be formal when they are mandated to do so.
There will be formal photos and there will be casual photos. Although they may decide that people are not appreciative of casual photos and only want formal photos, and they may then cut off the informal ones.
I liked seeing the photos and I think it will be too bad if Mr. Middleton and others decide they will no longer do this appreciative thing for the public.
I guess I never in my lifetime had a formal photo which was better than this casual snap by Mr. Middleton. I just never lived the "high life", I guess. I am a plebe. The more I hear of this, the more I empathize with the Middletons and understand why William likes to go to Bucklebury. William has many years ahead before he becomes king, if indeed the RF still is in place that far down in history, so if he finds family happiness at Bucklebury, and entrusts photography to Mr. M, it is easily understandable. That family is his home.
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