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Old 08-21-2013, 11:07 AM
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Why disagree without any explanation or argument? It makes perfect sense. Many here fancifully believe that "Will and Kate" behave just like a "normal" middle-class family, which is simply naive. Everything in that paragraph is true.
One thing you will see no matter what class a family is and that is family pictures. Because they are a "royal" couple, should the backdrop have been Buckingham Palace and they should have been dripping in jewels and orders? Should HM and the DoE be sitting on thrones at their family barbeques at Balmoral? Should Charles, along with this collection of toilet seats, have a royal butt wiper as in days gone by?

There is a lot of "normal" about Will and Kate and I personally think its a good thing.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:27 AM
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Members of the royal family are normal people but just born or married into different circumstances. I think William & Catherine was very nice to release a personal family picture.

We all know about their wealth and position in the world but had they dressed in their uniforms, robes, sashes, tiara's and tons of jewels, everyone would be going crazy on how out of touch the Cambridge's look.

Their family snapshot was very simple and to the point. A more formal image is coming with the christening with the whole family. I'm sure there will be complaints about those pictures too. It seems like members of the British royal family are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they flaunt their wealth and status, they're out of touch but if they don't, they're acting like they are "normal." It's a hard road for them to travel.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:30 AM
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The royal baby pictures show privilege trying, and failing, to look normal
The royal baby pictures show privilege trying, and failing, to look normal | Jonathan Jones | Comment is free | theguardian.com

The trouble with the new royalism is that it is far more dishonest than the old royalism. This picture, with its amateur touches, gives that away.
And for all its attempts to look natural, it is posed: for the royal family is not middle class. The royal couple playing at "normal" parenthood is no more authentic than Marie Antoinette dressed as a shepherdess. The interesting question is why is such obvious fiction taken seriously by so many?
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Well said! Two future Kings and all most people are talking about in the picture is Tilly the dog.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:43 AM
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I think it was lovely of William and Catherine to release these photos. No, they aren't professional quality (those will come at the Christening) . I think it's wonderful of them to share their familiy photos (which is not usually done). To my knowledge, most of the photos of the royal babies are released when the babies are a bit older and we rarely see family photos (I recently saw Charles' tribute for the jubliee with him viewing old family movies which were never shown to the public before.)

Overall, I think it was a very sweet gesture (and something they didn't have to do but choose to share with the public). They both look so happy (as does Lupo :) ). George looks cute although very much like newborn babies I've known at this age (none of my photos of my own children at this age had their eyes open either.)
I think the Middleton's dog, so clearly at ease (OK, all but asleep) says a lot about the ease of this photo. I like it.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:06 PM
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:07 PM
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Why disagree without any explanation or argument? It makes perfect sense. Many here fancifully believe that "Will and Kate" behave just like a "normal" middle-class family, which is simply naive. Everything in that paragraph is true.
I have a feeling you'd be one of the first ones complaining, if the Cambridges chose to emphasize just how royal, privileged, and wealthy they truly are. In all honesty, I'm tired of constant complaining about this couple's decisions about doing things. If they want to take a holiday, then they're flaunting their wealth, but if they want to share a family snapshot, and do things more 'independently', then they're in denial about their status. Make up your mind, and stick with it already !

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One thing you will see no matter what class a family is and that is family pictures. Because they are a "royal" couple, should the backdrop have been Buckingham Palace and they should have been dripping in jewels and orders? Should HM and the DoE be sitting on thrones at their family barbeques at Balmoral? Should Charles, along with this collection of toilet seats, have a royal butt wiper as in days gone by?

There is a lot of "normal" about Will and Kate and I personally think its a good thing.
In complete agreement here, and your comment about Charles' infamous collection of toilet seats, and a 'royal butt wiper' truly made me giggle . In all honesty, royals are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and it doesn't help when people criticize their every single choice.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:16 PM
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They are not DENYING anything. They know who they are and we know who they are. They are not pretending to be middle class. I am sick and tired of arm chair critics.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:21 PM
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How exactly are they supposed to pose? Are they supposed to be photographed in a golden room with the baby wearing a tiny little crown? lol one minute they're accused of flaunting their wealth and the next of trying to be normal. If William walked around acting like an entitled jerk he would apparently be living up to what is thought to be royal. Instead the guy loves his wife, his child, and values his in laws as much as his own family. And for that he and his wife get attacked. Heaven forbid they take a photograph at home surrounded by peace and family. How horrible.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:29 PM
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They are not DENYING anything. They know who they are and we know who they are. They are not pretending to be middle class. I am sick and tired of arm chair critics.
I wasn't agreeing with what the posted said, but trying to actually defend the couple. Perhaps my choice of the word 'denial' was wrong. But I have a feeling that others see the Cambridges' steps to be more 'normal' as a form of denial. I'm more than positive that this couple is very aware of who they are. Heck, William knows what is expected of him and his family, and when the time comes, will step up to the plate and deliver.

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How exactly are they supposed to pose? Are they supposed to be photographed in a golden room with the baby wearing a tiny little crown? lol one minute they're accused of flaunting their wealth and the next of trying to be normal. If William walked around acting like an entitled jerk he would apparently be living up to what is thought to be royal. Instead the guy loves his wife, his child, and values his in laws as much as his own family. And for that he and his wife get attacked. Heaven forbid they take a photograph at home surrounded by peace and family. How horrible.
This entire way of thinking reminds me of some of my former female acquaintances who kept complaining about their significant others being 'too nice'. I don't understand this obsession with acting like a complete and total jerk, whether he be a royal, or a regular 'Joe'. Like you, I'm not quite sure what the public wants from this couple. Would they be happier if William went around, cheated on his wife, disregarded any sort of respect towards her, hired a nanny for the baby, and sent him away to be brought up with no parental love? Oh, wait, if that happened, then he'd be compared to other royals, who acted like that, and called all sorts of names. But, he'd be acting the way royals have in the past, which was according to their station. I'm personally grateful for the fact that William does what he wants (within reason), and doesn't give a hoot about what some angry, and bored few think.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:37 PM
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So, people actually want to claim that William and Kate are impersonating "the middle class" in the same way that Marie Antoinette dressed up as a shepherdess? Mind-boggling lack of critical thinking ability, common sense and historical knowledge. No point to even arguing about it, if you can't see the fallacies in that train of thinking, there's no point in arguing with you.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:40 PM
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FIRST FAMILY SNAP: Prince George with his proud parents Kate and William and dog Lupo-
FIRST FAMILY SNAP: Prince George with his proud parents Kate and William and dog Lupo | Royal | News | Daily Express

"It was always something we wanted to do for the UK newspapers," a senior royal aide said-

"As far as we're concerned, they're a couple of gentle, informal family photographs. The time will come for more formal photographs around the christening later in the year."
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:45 PM
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The royal baby pictures show privilege trying, and failing, to look normal
The royal baby pictures show privilege trying, and failing, to look normal | Jonathan Jones | Comment is free | theguardian.com

The trouble with the new royalism is that it is far more dishonest than the old royalism. This picture, with its amateur touches, gives that away.
And for all its attempts to look natural, it is posed: for the royal family is not middle class. The royal couple playing at "normal" parenthood is no more authentic than Marie Antoinette dressed as a shepherdess. The interesting question is why is such obvious fiction taken seriously by so many?
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I'm not understanding the point of the article. The writer claims that they're playing at being "normal" because the photos are posed. But don't most people pose for family photos? I know do. What did the writer want? For them to pose dripping in family jewels and their tiaras/crowns. Would that have been more authentic for him?

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One thing you will see no matter what class a family is and that is family pictures. Because they are a "royal" couple, should the backdrop have been Buckingham Palace and they should have been dripping in jewels and orders? Should HM and the DoE be sitting on thrones at their family barbeques at Balmoral? Should Charles, along with this collection of toilet seats, have a royal butt wiper as in days gone by?

There is a lot of "normal" about Will and Kate and I personally think its a good thing.
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I agree 100% with The Guardian article.

The pretense of being normal and middle class is not shown in the fact that they posed, but more in the fact that they chose to share an amateur (and a poor quality amateur) photo as the first official photo of a future king, when the british royal family is as the article says "enshrined by centuries of pomp and circumstance" and when they could have chose any professional photographer they wished to take a much better photo that will one day belong to a historical royal album. What was their point with this choice? What message were they trying to pass? Those are the questions the author is trying to answer. And according to him (and I agree) they are trying to pass the image of a ordinary middle-class family who are just like any other middle class family in Britain with a ordinary member of the family taking an poor-quality amateurish photo that will stay in those ordinary family albums that we show to friends when they visit. And as they author says (and again I agree) all of this is pretending. They are not an ordinary couple and an ordinary family with ordinary lives. And no, this baby will not have an ordinary childhood no matter how hard they try. This baby will be King as will his father. There is nothing normal about that.
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:43 PM
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The think the couple knows who they are and their position and not trying to pretend to be anything. All they did was share a very nice family picture that will be looked at for many years to come and they know it isn't perfect. The main pictures or portraits are coming of the whole family during the christening. Those are the pictures everyone is waiting for and that will be of great significance.
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There is no deep and hidden meaning behind these pictures; there is no smoke and mirrors about a couple "pretending" to be normal.

These are family snaps - something to bridge the gap between absolutely nothing in terms of pix and the formal ones sometime in the next month or so.

If you saw the CNN interview - William absolutely knows and indirectly said, his life is not normal.

They let the world into their family life by publishing a couple of family snaps. That is it.

The only surprise is that William did it.

It was bad enough with conspiracy theorists on the Death of Diana thread - now we have them on here.
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I don't understand how releasing a few family photos means that they are pretending to be normal. No one can forget that they are royal.

They will be posing for press photographers and releasing christening photos in a few months, so I don't see why there is such an uproar. There will be plenty of formal photos taken. People are acting like these are the only baby/family photos that we are going to see.
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This will surely not be the only one but was suppose to be the first official one and thus, a special one
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:59 PM
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Not that long ago, The Queen and palace released on old official picture of the whole family vacationing on the Royal Yacht Britannia in the 80's. The sun pretty much ruined the picture and it wasn't of the best quality but it was a personal family picture that they thought it would be nice to share with the world.

William & Catherine, Michael and the palace knew the pictures wasn't of the best quality but it was still a nice family picture and they wanted to share it with everyone and the papers. They are leaving the more formal ones for the big day, which is the Christening.

While everyone is going on and on about how unprofessional the pictures looked, I think they are missing the actual simplicity of the images.


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It was a special photo...to them. There was sources saying that the pictures would be taken by a family member so I don't think anyone should've expected a picture that an experienced photographer would've produced. The couple and palace did it the way they wanted for right now. The major official pictures are coming soon.
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Y'know with all the negativism in articles and whining about the poor quality of the first family photos of a future king, it might just turn out to be a case of biting the hand the feeds them.

Perhaps Will and Kate will realize that they need formal portraits because of the austere and esteemed rank they hold and decide to scratch any future sharing of everyday snaps and photos with anyone but family. Personally, I wouldn't blame them at all if this is the decision they come to. Perhaps a photo on birthdays and memorable days like the first day of school will suffice.

Photographers camped out for weeks for the best shot of George when he was born, not a day goes by where there's not some article about Will or Kate somewhere and we waited with bated breath for the first pictures to be released. When they were, "NOT GOOD ENOUGH" is the uproar heard.

They tried. Obviously they did it all wrong and perhaps won't make that mistake again. Ever. It will be those of us that enjoyed the close family pictures they did release that will lose out if they do decide not to release to the public anything but formal professional photographs.
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Since this is The British Royal Family they will always be Scrutinize, Analyize,Criticizes for every little thing they do or say whether it Good or Bad, wrong Big Deal or not, etc.

If this was The Royal Family from the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway or Monaco who did a photo like this one it would not be such a big thing and everybody would like it and wouldnt be quick to judge
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