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Old 09-16-2014, 11:48 PM
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George VI wasn't the elder son, so his having the name Arthur wasn't part of the pattern.

If I'm correct (and I could have misread) every British prince or princess descended from Queen Victoria and Prince Albert born in Victoria's lifetime had either "Albert" or "Victoria" in their name except for their daughters Princess Alice and Princess Louise (the latter who had "Alberta" in hers). There were other British princes and princesses born in that time frame, but they were of the Hanoverian line, and didn't have either of the names. This is completely a tradition - I think two names being used more than 30 times in 3 generations counts as a tradition. It stopped almost immediately though; Prince George, Duke of Kent was born the year after Queen Victoria died and didn't have the name.

I kind of think the contemporary Arthur/Albert pattern is not necessarily a static tradition like the Albert/Victoria one so much as naming children after people. There are people and historical figures you can connect to each of Charles, Anne, Andrew, and Edward's names. Some of these same names repeat in William and Harry's names - I kind of think William got his middle names from his father (Arthur), grandfather (Philip), and father's mentor (Louis), while Harry got his names from his father (Charles) and great-grandfather (Albert). George in turn gets a name from his grandfather (George) and father (Louis).

Based on George's name, I would predict that this child - boy or girl - is going to get the name of a previously reigning monarch that isn't in use right now regardless of gender, and two other names that reoccur in the family but aren't necessarily obvious choices.
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It's well known that dynastically, Queen Victoria wanted her and Albert's descendants to have Albert prominently among their forenames if male and Victoria if female.

She undoubtedly intended for their eldest son to reign as Albert Edward. However Edward VIII had other ideas when he came to the throne.

After the Duke of Clarence's premature death Queen Victoria was faced with having a grandson named George as second in line. There's a well-known story that she tried her hardest to make him promise to include Albert in his name when he eventually would succeed, but Prince George refused.

Since the war Victoria has not been used among the British royal family and Albert very sparingly. I think Harry was the last. A lesson perhaps in trying to impose your will on future generations.
Eugenie's second name is Victoria.

I don't think George V liked either name much. The he had two sons born after his grandmother's death, neither of whom he gave the name Albert. It's also said that he's the one who told the then Duke of York (later George VI) that it wasn't necessary to name his first daughter Victoria - it's rather interesting that that daughter, QEII, is named for the 3 Queen Consorts who immediately preceded her (although at the time of her birth it would have been her mother and 2 Queen Consorts). Had they given her a fourth name it likely would have been Victoria, but they deliberately decided not to.
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Arthur isn't really a trend. Victoria had a son Prince Arthur and it is a middle name for Charles and William. Plus Arthur Chatto, Princess Margaret's grandson.

Albert is a name for 3 of 5 sons of George V then no one in the Queen's generation and then returns for Andrew and Harry.

The name pools for British princes is relatively small: George V's sons: Edward, Albert, Henry, George, John, the Queens generation: Edward, Michael, William, Richard, Queen's Children : Charles, Andrew,Edward, Queen's grandchildren: William, Henry, (James) and then lastly George

Other than Michael and Andrew, all are names of Kings even if the Alberts didn't reign as Albert. Andrew comes from Philip's dad but also the patron saint of Scotland.

So it is mostly going to be a traditional name seen before it the royal family. You would have to add Philip into the mix plus names such as Michael, Frances, Peter from Kate's side.


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George VI wasn't the elder son, so his having the name Arthur wasn't part of the pattern.
He wasn't the eldest son, but the start of the Arthur-pattern. And then HM continued it with Charles who continued it with William. It might just be me reading too much into this Arthur reference though, I don't know
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:58 AM
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I think what happened was when the Queen had her eldest son she gave him two of her father's names - Arthur and George - then when she had her second son she gave him another of her father's names and we father-in-law's name. Then when Charles had his eldest son he have him one of his names - Arthur - and hen he had his second son he gave him another one of his names - George.

William has continued this, he just changed the names. His son has one of his father's names - George - and one of his names - Louis. It's just not the name that was necessarily expected - although then, I think that's more because George only has 3 names instead of 4.
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if i remember correctly when P.George's names were announced, avid lady Diana fans insisted that he was named after her cousins...
(personally i didn't believe it by the way..)
Are there names from the Spencer side of the family that would spark a similar claim?
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Old 09-17-2014, 02:44 AM
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if i remember correctly when P.George's names were announced, avid lady Diana fans insisted that he was named after her cousins...
(personally i didn't believe it by the way..)
Are there names from the Spencer side of the family that would spark a similar claim?

I wouldn't necessarily say that he was named after William's Spencer cousins, but there is a connection.

Diana had 3 siblings, who have sons named George, Alexander, and Louis (one each). William's only other male Spencer cousin is named Edmund (Charles Spencer's youngest son).

However, George, Alexander, and Louis are all British Royal names. One of Charles' names is George, and it's the name of 2 of the most recent British Kings. Alexander is the masculine form of one of the Queen's names, and is a name that has been used by 3 Scottish monarchs. Louis is one of William's names, and is the name of one of the DoE's uncles and his maternal grandfather (whose middle name was Alexander).

John, Charles, Francis, Eleanor, Victoria, Frederick, Caroline, Charlotte, Jane, Robert, Elizabeth, and Rose are all names that feature in the Spencer family yet also have a royal connection.
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It is official! The baby's name is....

Not George!

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I hope it's a boy

Philip Richard James
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I know the expected date is April but if it is a boy (and I think it is a girl) and it comes early then Richard could be a nice tribute to Richard III who will be re-interned in March.
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There's Richard Duke of Gloucester, though. The Royal Family usually keeps away from names that are already in use, doesn't it?
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Old 09-17-2014, 05:33 AM
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I am hoping for a girl - let's dream, for twin girls. A princess Alexandra Charlotte or two princesses Alexandra and Cecilia (Cecilia like the Queen Mother's mother).
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I think the name Alexandra Charlotte is especially pretty.
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What about Charlotte Catherine Caroline Cynthia?
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Eugenie's second name is Victoria.

I don't think George V liked either name much. The he had two sons born after his grandmother's death, neither of whom he gave the name Albert. It's also said that he's the one who told the then Duke of York (later George VI) that it wasn't necessary to name his first daughter Victoria - it's rather interesting that that daughter, QEII, is named for the 3 Queen Consorts who immediately preceded her (although at the time of her birth it would have been her mother and 2 Queen Consorts). Had they given her a fourth name it likely would have been Victoria, but they deliberately decided not to.
I think they were sick and tired of Victoria, frankly. Wasn't Elizabeth the first royal girl born after the Victoria's death?

What names did George V given his sons after her death?
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Mary Rose Cecilia for a girl.
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My guesses for girls:

Victoria Diana Carole
Victoria Elizabeth Mary
Elizabeth Carole Diana
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Isabella Marie Helene
Alexandra Louise Diana
Charlotte Eleanor Victoria
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There's Richard Duke of Gloucester, though. The Royal Family usually keeps away from names that are already in use, doesn't it?
Duke of Keint is Edward and Earl of Wessex is Edward.
Earl of St. Andrews is George and Cambridge's first son is George.
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George, (later George V) and Mary had two sons after Queen Victoria's death.
George Edward Alexander Edmund (later Duke of Kent) was born in December 1902.
The youngest child John Charles Francis, who died young, was born in July 1905.

Elizabeth was George V's first granddaughter. His daughter Mary, who married before Bertie of York, had two sons, George and Gerald, but no daughters.
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There's Richard Duke of Gloucester, though. The Royal Family usually keeps away from names that are already in use, doesn't it?
But they have to be quite creative to find a name that is traditional and not already in use somehow at this point. Although I know that George is special because his name had to be extra traditional, it is already in use as well.

I personally think that with the exception of Elizabeth and Philip (and perhaps Henry), we can count out the names used within the close royal family. So no Charles, Camilla, Andrew, Beatrice, Eugenie, Edward, Sophie, Louise, James or Anne as a given name.
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