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Old 09-11-2015, 10:01 AM
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And all the 'news' on Internet sites is favourable to the younger royals and not absorbed by British people in their twenties or younger who don't know much royal history or read biographies?

Also, much as I dislike the Daily Fail and its fellow tabloids, their online stories do reach a wide audience. The DM specialises in stories about the younger royals, especially William, Kate, Harry and occasionally Beatrice. It's not all Sebastian or Richard Kay.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:06 AM
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Twitter has changed one the key value/roles of the press. Before Twitter (BT) a press office was dependent on the media outlets to inform their audience .. There was a real need for press releases. The press office would send the release to the media, the media would inform their audience. Media no longer 'own' access to that audience. Twitter allows the press office to inform the public en masse direct but this eliminates one of the unique roles of the press. Sending a press release a few minutes before a tweet is just a courtesy sent to the media. All of this makes the royal reporters searching to carve out a new role without feeling as if they are merely puppets reporting what everyone already knows. Their spin or opinion is all they have... So we get more arbitrary 'stirring of the pot' and more extreme lengths to get a story. From the reporters point of view, I am sure they are trying to prove to their editors that they 'add' to the story ... Or the editors could just take the info off the feed themselves and make the dedicated royal reporter redundant. Not good for the royal family either... They want press on their events and causes. It's a new world for both parties. I think it will result in more exclusive access for select press. It will be interesting to see where Richard Palmer falls.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:13 AM
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I think most people don't care.
But most UK media outlets become increasingly unhappy about the Cambridge idea of privacy and of their attitude of threats (open or not open), basically to walk the line or else (no access any longer) while foreign internet outlets make the big money with unauthorized shots.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:20 AM
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I think most people don't care.
But most UK media outlets become increasingly unhappy about the Cambridge idea of privacy and of their attitude of threats (open or not open), basically to walk the line or else (no access any longer) while foreign internet outlets make the big money with unauthorized shots.

But it's the UK media themselves that made the decision not to print the pap photos and such that the foreign press and websites run with. Richard Palmer even said that he himself it was his editors choice not to use them. The KP letter from Jason Knause even compliments the mainstream UK media for not using the pap George photos.


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Old 09-11-2015, 10:41 AM
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I don't understand the attack on the Cambridge's popularity, they are more popular than ever. It's been a very slow summer on the royal front, and the news and pictures disappeared. That's about to change now. The Cambridge's, and even Harry, is about to burst back on the royal scene. I do understand that attitudes can be irritated when there is a royal drought.

I may not agree with everything he say, but Richard Palmer is one of the main royal reporters that I respect.
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:10 AM
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But it's the UK media themselves that made the decision not to print the pap photos and such that the foreign press and websites run with. Richard Palmer even said that he himself it was his editors choice not to use them. The KP letter from Jason Knause even compliments the mainstream UK media for not using the pap George photos.


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The UK media took the decision for one reason only: if they did publish the unauthorized photos, KP would ban them from any authorized shoot and shut them out.

Complimenting them is rather cynical because KP's threat and extortion policy is the reason for the editors not to show the pictures in the first place.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:43 PM
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Can you site a source for recent threats to ban the press from KP?

I only found one from 2004, from when Arthur Edwards from The Sun was temporarily banned from taking photos of William after The Sun broke the Kate as Will's girlfriend ski photo news.


http://www.theguardian.com/media/200...ng.themonarchy

Not really an effective deterrent since since then we had numerous paparazzi photos , phone tapping, naked Harry on the Sun, etc.

The people at KP weren't even hired yet in 2004. William was still under the CH press office.




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I don't understand the attack on the Cambridge's popularity, they are more popular than ever. It's been a very slow summer on the royal front, and the news and pictures disappeared. That's about to change now. The Cambridge's, and even Harry, is about to burst back on the royal scene. I do understand that attitudes can be irritated when there is a royal drought.

I may not agree with everything he say, but Richard Palmer is one of the main royal reporters that I respect.
I agree Dman that the press all over the world experience a drop in royal news every summer. Occasionally there is a wedding, birth, anniversary etc..but for the most part July-August is very slow. I'd expect a a change of tune in the coming weeks not only for the Cambridges/Harry but other royals as well.
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Old 09-12-2015, 01:08 AM
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I think you have confused Richard Kay and Richard Palmer. Kay is the Diana link; Palmer is not. The discussion on here has been about Richard Palmer

I was very tired last night and have changed the last names, but if you don't think Palmer wishes it was like it was back in the day then... As Rudolph said, it's sad he's going out in such a very public manner.


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Old 09-12-2015, 01:51 AM
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He signed a two year contract with the air services contract. He can't really sign anything longer because flying a helicopter to pick injured people isn't going to be his job in ten years. But if the Queen is still in good shape in a year, he can do it for 3 years instead of 2.

It's been stated the he will only do 75% of his shifts so he can still do Royal stuff. That's what we are starting to see on the scheduled for mid September.
Many thanks for the clarification, Skippyboo. All makes sense now.
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Old 09-12-2015, 01:59 AM
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Richard used to produce an article on the royals on a regular bases, and it wasn't trashy, unworthy articles either. Lately, I haven't seen those articles posted.
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Richard used to produce an article on the royals on a regular bases, and it wasn't trashy, unworthy articles either. Lately, I haven't seen those articles posted.

Based on output and some comments he has made about the business, I think he may be struggling with job security right now and is misdirecting feelings about that.

If that is the case, I feel for him and hope he finds a gig with more potential, but it's so unprofessional to basically threaten bad coverage if a subject doesn't behave how journalists want them to.


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Old 09-12-2015, 02:23 AM
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Based on output and some comments he has made about the business, I think he may be struggling with job security right now and is misdirecting feelings about that.

If that is the case, I feel for him and hope he finds a gig with more potential, but it's so unprofessional to basically threaten bad coverage it a subject doesn't behave how journalists want them to.


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I hope Richard Palmer don't leave his job as a Royal Reporter, he's the main royal source that many royal watchers (including myself) look to for some real, authentic answers.
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Old 09-12-2015, 10:26 AM
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Giving the rise of social media and the press especially print media struggle to survive. I don't think the relationship is a must in this day and age.

There is nothing real or authentic about Richard imo.
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The thing is, if the press don't even get photos or do not ge the info about an engagement beforehand, what are they going to write? It seems that the approach of KP has changed since the issueof the complaint letter...
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Well if we are going to quote Palmer chapter and verse we need to look at everything. At Ascot when Harry tried to prevent photographs from being taken Palmer said Harry is no different from William. So if posters think everything Palmer says is the gospel well Harry is no different from William.

That always gets lost in the conversation. Harry loathes the press as much as any royal.

This tweet about William's engagement was sent out by KP press office, not by William himself. Do we think Harry sends his own tweets?

When Twitter was set up KP announced that it tweets as a Household and not as individuals.

In the end it was a IT issue and that's why the press weren't notified first. Simple explanation. Palmer should be embarrassed for his rant.

Palmer's desire to try and personalise this just shows how unprofessional he is. He is fixated with W&K.

Social media is the way of the future. Twitter users in the UK outnumber national daily newspaper subscribers by a wide margin.

To see just how dismal it is have a look.

National daily newspaper sales fall by half a million in a year | Media | The Guardian
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They do get notice beforehand, the event that Richard is whining about hasn't even happen yet. He got plenty of time to prepare for it.
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Giving the rise of social media and the press especially print media struggle to survive. I don't think the relationship is a must in this day and age.

There is nothing real or authentic about Richard imo.
Despite the new technology, the royals, palace and press still have to coexist.

Richard Palmer is a very good royal reporter. There's barely a good handful of them that's authentic, and Richard is one of them, IMO.
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I follow most royal reporters on Twitter and frankly I rarely learn anything from them. As a group they know little about royalty or monarchy. Articles are full of errors, titles are incorrect etc.

The best source of information is royalty related websites and blogs such as TRF. People on here are far more knowledgable about royalty than any reporter.
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And do not forget that reporters working for some magazines which have to sell what we expect?
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